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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

depends on how you treat the scene where amphoreus is literally behind them when Phainon is about to go TTGL mod, since even irontomb is capable of leaving amphoreus i see no problem in Phainon doing the same, the inly actual issue is there were no mention of Phainon and Zephyro fighting in the story, only that Phainon faced Destruction directly like 2-3 times and how he harmed Nanook
Honestly, I want to believe that scenario is real, but the game never confirms it. Maybe they avoid stating it outright because Phainon casually destroying three galaxies and killing trillions of people doesn’t fit his character. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t perform a feat like that in the outside world.
 
Honestly, I want to believe that scenario is real, but the game never confirms it. Maybe they avoid stating it outright because Phainon casually destroying three galaxies and killing trillions of people doesn’t fit his character. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t perform a feat like that in the outside world.
They were at warforge, the dimension place where emanator destruction candidate after gazed by nanook, being test to become his lord ravager. Perhaps the galaxies aren't even real to begin with (i mean they are real but no really being habitable like in the real universe).

Cause you know, if we talking about visual, path space despite being higher dimension where we can contact aeons directly, still have tons of stars inside it.
 
They were at warforge, the dimension place where emanator destruction candidate after gazed by nanook, being test to become his lord ravager. Perhaps the galaxies aren't even real to begin with (i mean they are real but no really being habitable like in the real universe).

Cause you know, if we talking about visual, path space despite being higher dimension where we can contact aeons directly, still have tons of stars inside it.
We have no clue if phainon was in warforge or at the path space, the best conclusion was either in the outerspace of amphoreus space time dimension or outside amphoreus itself
 
We have no clue if phainon was in warforge or at the path space, the best conclusion was either in the outerspace of amphoreus space time dimension or outside amphoreus itself
Barely have confirmation and left the audience being clueless despite heavily implied is type of hoyo writing (i fcking hate this).

You can tell it was judging by warforge description and it's environment visual
 
They were at warforge, the dimension place where emanator destruction candidate after gazed by nanook, being test to become his lord ravager. Perhaps the galaxies aren't even real to begin with (i mean they are real but no really being habitable like in the real universe).

Cause you know, if we talking about visual, path space despite being higher dimension where we can contact aeons directly, still have tons of stars inside it.
They’re still in Amphoreus because Herta said Nanook is watching the place where the Trailblazer currently is — and that’s still inside Amphoreus.
Herta: Simply put, it will tilt all sciences and technologies towards the Destruction. And since Nanook glanced at this place, it means THEY are being dead serious.
We know who Nanook is gazing at(Phainon)
 
They’re still in Amphoreus because Herta said Nanook is watching the place where the Trailblazer currently is — and that’s still inside Amphoreus.

We know who Nanook is gazing at(Phainon)
Sure he gazing at amphoreus, but at the time phainon encounter nanook is already different place
 
Sure he gazing at amphoreus, but at the time phainon encounter nanook is already different place
meh i disagree with this, since the lore suggests he tore the sky open and faced nanook directly while in amphoreus, its noted on hoyolab page and 3.5 recap of 3.4
 
meh i disagree with this, since the lore suggests he tore the sky open and faced nanook directly while in amphoreus, its noted on hoyolab page and 3.5 recap of 3.4
Are you guys implied that they fighting inside amphoreus or somewhere near amphoreus or anything else?

Cause logically if they were inside or near amphoreus, astral express and nearby galaxies would directly impacted with that giant ass phainon, or atleast realize with phainon performing such feats.

But according to this, all near star systems was totally fine
 
Are you guys implied that they fighting inside amphoreus or somewhere near amphoreus or anything else?

Cause logically if they were inside or near amphoreus, astral express and nearby galaxies would directly impacted with that giant ass phainon, or atleast realize with phainon performing such feats.

But according to this, all near star systems was totally fine
Because he never left the simulation, that's why everything around Amphoreus (Scepter δ-me13) is intact, what he destroyed are data blocks
 
They’re still in Amphoreus because Herta said Nanook is watching the place where the Trailblazer currently is — and that’s still inside Amphoreus.

We know who Nanook is gazing at(Phainon)
The mere fact that Herta states that Iron Tomb (and by extension everything that makes up the Scepter, including the Chrysean Heirs, literally the entire Amphoreus cast) is not yet capable of affecting the real world should be enough to inform everyone that Phainon's fight was inside the Scepter and nowhere else not to mention Iron Tomb recording this event as "Phainon attempted to break the core of the scepter one last time."
 
My guess as to what happened is that everything before Phainon unleashed his final attack against Nanook happened within Irontomb's simulated realm, but after that everything was real, from Phainon's last attack breaking through Amphoreus to harming Nanook was indeed real due to Hoyoverse, Lygus and etc having confirmed that Phainon drew a drop of golden blood from the Aeon of Destruction, either way, Zephyro whopped Khaslana's ass whether he was simulated or real

This just upscales Irontomb to be honest, since it was capable of creating a simulated world/realm so large that it is capable of containing several galaxies and Phainon in his giant form that is as large as the biggest galaxies of said realm
 
My guess as to what happened is that everything before Phainon unleashed his final attack against Nanook happened within Irontomb's simulated realm, but after that everything was real, from Phainon's last attack breaking through Amphoreus to harming Nanook was indeed real due to Hoyoverse, Lygus and etc having confirmed that Phainon drew a drop of golden blood from the Aeon of Destruction, either way, Zephyro whopped Khaslana's ass whether he was simulated or real

This just upscales Irontomb to be honest, since it was capable of creating a simulated world/realm so large that it is capable of containing several galaxies and Phainon in his giant form that is as large as the biggest galaxies of said realm
that same phainon is his core btw, we are sooo cooked
 
My guess as to what happened is that everything before Phainon unleashed his final attack against Nanook happened within Irontomb's simulated realm, but after that everything was real, from Phainon's last attack breaking through Amphoreus to harming Nanook was indeed real due to Hoyoverse, Lygus and etc having confirmed that Phainon drew a drop of golden blood from the Aeon of Destruction, either way, Zephyro whopped Khaslana's ass whether he was simulated or real
your hypothesis is 100%, even 1000% true
This just upscales Irontomb to be honest, since it was capable of creating a simulated world/realm so large that it is capable of containing several galaxies and Phainon in his giant form that is as large as the biggest galaxies of said realm
Not really, Idk if compacting this world into a 5-B computer is a real increase, at best it will give it a pocket-sized reality but it already gets a lot of hax related to calculations, intelligence, and everything related to mechanics
 
yeah the galaxies destroyed are within the simulations but the last attack towards nanook reached the border with some weird shattered space like thingy which implies there is a boundary between simulation and reality at that moment but seeing only his attacked reached outside this border it is the only real thing that happened outside amphoreus
 
Honestly, I want to believe that scenario is real, but the game never confirms it. Maybe they avoid stating it outright because Phainon casually destroying three galaxies and killing trillions of people doesn’t fit his character. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t perform a feat like that in the outside world.
Wasn't it more than 3 galaxies?
Also the probably were devoided of life
 
Astral Express can bypass the Imaginary Wall that separates each world, and that wall is filled with Imaginary energy
This is gonna cross scale to Sunday tanking the damage of being ran over by the Astral Express, which will chainscale back to the Astral Express being able to damage him, which will cross scale to 1-b Yaqning. Nope.

Not in verse
I want someone to make a Pom-Pom match
 
This is gonna cross scale to Sunday tanking the damage of being ran over by the Astral Express, which will chainscale back to the Astral Express being able to damage him, which will cross scale to 1-b Yaqning. Nope.


I want someone to make a Pom-Pom match
Pompom vs Agumon then.
 
Doesn't she scale to any other character?
Physically, no. I imagine she can use Six-Phase Ice to strengthen herself, like when she trapped TB, but she only created it and didn't use it herself, since she came to taunt me on Sunday.
 
yeah the galaxies destroyed are within the simulations but the last attack towards nanook reached the border with some weird shattered space like thingy which implies there is a boundary between simulation and reality at that moment but seeing only his attacked reached outside this border it is the only real thing that happened outside amphoreus
idk if he actually went through the simulation, honestly I think he never pierced it at any point since from my point of view, Nanook should be able to project himself into the simulation of Amphoreus even if it is made of raw data, it remains an avatar whose appearance and undoubtedly the spatial form he can handle

In any case it is irrelevant, whether Phainon did it or not he will adapt to avatar Nanook's durability, which was 3-C physically when he annihilated Advilun so in itself avatar Nanook and Phainon will adapt each other up to 3-B and higher physically
 
What i know is he definitely did not leave the simulation nor was able to reach the border. (But his attack are debatable)
but tbh idk if the border is for the world outside or just the border of the weird space when you get an aeon's gaze.
but since it is all visual its up to interpretation.
 
idk if he actually went through the simulation, honestly I think he never pierced it at any point since from my point of view, Nanook should be able to project himself into the simulation of Amphoreus even if it is made of raw data, it remains an avatar whose appearance and undoubtedly the spatial form he can handle

In any case it is irrelevant, whether Phainon did it or not he will adapt to avatar Nanook's durability, which was 3-C physically when he annihilated Advilun so in itself avatar Nanook and Phainon will adapt each other up to 3-B and higher physically
what are you talking abt?
Aeons avatars and True forms are all accepted as 1-B hence why theres only one “1-B” tier
not something like 3-C as avatar 1-B in true form (if it was 1-A for true self this would make sense)
 
This is dimensional travel, not an attack or AP
Well, the Astral Express doesn’t just “travel.” It "connects" worlds that are separated by the Imaginary Wall.

And if teleportation or traveling to the other side were enough to bypass the Imaginary Wall, SA wouldn’t have been trapped in the HI3 solar system for millions of years.
 
Well, the Astral Express doesn’t just “travel.” It "connects" worlds that are separated by the Imaginary Wall.

And if teleportation or traveling to the other side were enough to bypass the Imaginary Wall, SA wouldn’t have been trapped in the HI3 solar system for millions of years.
This is an inherent ability of the Express, not really an attack. It allows you to open a "safe" path through the Imaginary Waves.
 
Not really, Idk if compacting this world into a 5-B computer is a real increase, at best it will give it a pocket-sized reality but it already gets a lot of hax related to calculations, intelligence, and everything related to mechanics
How creating a realm with countless galaxies within it is just a 5-B computer? What you are saying isn't making any sense
In any case it is irrelevant, whether Phainon did it or not he will adapt to avatar Nanook's durability, which was 3-C physically when he annihilated Advilun so in itself avatar Nanook and Phainon will adapt each other up to 3-B and higher physically
Wtf you are saying? 3-C/3-B Nanook? Aeons' avatars being far weaker than their true forms was already rejected in a CRT about it
 
This is an inherent ability of the Express, not really an attack. It allows you to open a "safe" path through the Imaginary Waves.
It’s “opening” a safe path, not “finding” one. And to open that path, you still need to deal with the imaginary waves that are filled with imaginary energy.
 
I mean, that's like what most portal creation does or extradimensional portals do
They cut open space to make way for another, or often travel through some interdimensional space filled with energy and such

If I tell you Space is inherently Low 1-A because it exists on every conceivable dimension, and I proceed to cut open a piece of it
Would you say it is low 1-A to travel with the portal?

that's not something that can be listed as AP let alone Striking strength
 
I mean, that's like what most portal creation does or extradimensional portals do
They cut open space to make way for another, or often travel through some interdimensional space filled with energy and such

If I tell you Space is inherently Low 1-A because it exists on every conceivable dimension, and I proceed to cut open a piece of it
Would you say it is low 1-A to travel with the portal?

that's not something that can be listed as AP let alone Striking strength
But The Astral Express can travel to unknown worlds that don’t have any existing rails, which means it isn’t completely dependent on them to cross Imaginary barriers.

Meanwhile, HoYoverse doesn’t treat the Imaginary Wall as just “empty space.” It’s a massive, densely concentrated layer of Imaginary Energy that must be opened or broken through in order to pass.

So bypassing the Imaginary Wall isn’t just like cutting a simple portal — it’s directly overcoming the raw density of Imaginary Energy itself.

But yeah it's more 1-B durability than 1B AP
 
hiii this is random but i started playing hsr days ago n i was wondering if i can have advice on who i should use for my noob team

i got fu xuan when i tried to pull for anaxa n i lowk wanna use her but honestly idk who to swap with her

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