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We'll see about that.Yeah ik, probably won’t be accepted tho
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We'll see about that.Yeah ik, probably won’t be accepted tho
Well nasu already pretty much confirms samurai remnant events took place before the lostbelts events and the Inverse metaphysics of the nasuverse is already consistent on it's own to dismiss this as an anti feat in case further explanations are neededIt's possible, but we have seen that a Shadow Servant of Musashi can still exist, as seen in the Fate/Samurai Remnant event,
The Grand Saber Crowning Duel is not canon to the lore, it's a game system to creat your own grand servant.and Musashi has seemingly reappeared for the Grand Saber Crowning Duel, so I don't know.
I'm talking about the FGO collab even with Fate/Samurai Remnant.Well nasu already pretty much confirms samurai remnant events took place before the lostbelts events and the Inverse metaphysics of the nasuverse is already consistent on it's own to dismiss this as an anti feat in case further explanations are needed
We'll see.The Grand Saber Crowning Duel is not canon to the lore, it's a game system to creat your own grand servant.
Not sure it changes anything to Nasu claims in that interview. Firstly we shouldn't mix up timelines, the collab event doesn't take place in the fgo timeline, instead "you" the master is transported back in the Edo period when the ritual took place. Instead the whole event takes place in a pruned world and it's the bond you formed with Lori afterwards which enables him to join Chaldea, it ain't a retcon to Musashi stuffs else her "Data lost" status would have been reversed, thing which didn't happenedI'm talking about the FGO collab even with Fate/Samurai Remnant.
There is a whole interview for that. I could find that if requiredWe'll see.
Is this R>F? I was just wondering
Hmmm
Wdym?Thats only 5-C
The verse can't go pass Low 4-C (Joking)Wdym?
Is this R>F? I was just wondering
Hmmm
I forgot the contextyou need more context to determine whether it is 1a or not. Especially regarding "truth and fiction".
For the context, that's just Holmes explaining how the Hippogriff can evade attacks rooted into physical reality by phasing into a total non physical realm aka the reverside of the worldI forgot the context
Which is why I asked if someone knew
I will look into it tho
Is this R>F? I was just wondering
Hmmm
Is this R>F? I was just wondering
Hmmm
I am adding context to his thing since yesterday, as stand alone it may be too vague yet by adding other stuffs we may end up somewhere. Wait let me finishIt isn't iirc, kinda vague too. Tho I have never seen anyone use Reality over Fiction for nasu.
Edit: gonna yap, but basically in order to achive it the entities or structures that possess power or existence beyond any kind of set and composition of lower tiers, to the extent that they are completely inaccessible to all lower tiers and any of their extensions. Such superiority over lower structures is qualitative, meaning the existence and power of these entities depend on the quality of their nature, not on the quality of the lesser worlds (iirc).
That helps a lot for my Mahoyo profiles, thanks much!
I made use of that scan to boost the INS/Reverside compared to the material human worldIt isn't iirc, kinda vague too. Tho I have never seen anyone use Reality over Fiction for nasu.
Edit: gonna yap, but basically in order to achive it the entities or structures that possess power or existence beyond any kind of set and composition of lower tiers, to the extent that they are completely inaccessible to all lower tiers and any of their extensions. Such superiority over lower structures is qualitative, meaning the existence and power of these entities depend on the quality of their nature, not on the quality of the lesser worlds (iirc).
I made use of that scan to boost the INS/Reverside compared to the material human world
The foundation of INS lies in its composition of imaginary numbers, which are orthogonal to the real numbers defining material reality. This non-intersection is not a quantitative increase in dimensions but a qualitative separation, where INS exists as a realm inaccessible to real-number physics. The Imaginary Scramble event describes INS (Void Space) as an unobservable domain where physical laws are inapplicable, achieving limitless possibilities through its opacity. Additionally, INS exhibits a timeless nature where a single moment spans eternity, transcending spatiotemporal frameworks
Evidence supporting this setup includes skadi describing the INS as such : "If we consider this place as imaginary numbers and ourselves as real numbers, then real numbers and imaginary numbers normally never intersect."Mash claims that "Time DOESN’T go on" indicates a suspension of linear progression while God Arjuna or were it pepe ? notes "A single moment spans an eternity," suggesting an eternal present. From Imaginary Scramble’s Opening Act: "The Reverse Side of the World, is a completely opaque domain where not even established laws of physics can be glimpsed, achieves limitless possibilities through unobservability, unlike primordial chaos which mixes elements."
Thus, the non-intersection of real and imaginary numbers, INS’s unobservable opacity, and its timeless eternal present establish it as a qualitatively transcendent realm beyond real-number physics, tending toward a 1-A classification.
Building on this transcendence, INS encompasses all lower realities as fragile, dependent constructs, often depicted as "bubbles" or transient splits emerging from its primordial void. These realities are not co-equal but derive their existence from INS, which serves as their encompassing source. The Imaginary Scramble event portrays INS as the "unknowable chaos" from which realities diverge, fulfilling 1-A’s requirement that lower structures are projections of a higher reality.
Sakura’s dialogue illustrates this: "Please think of this school building as something like a bubble floating on the far side of the moon. If the bubble disappears, you will be swallowed by the imaginary space and vanish, or rather, you will wander eternally as an 'indeterminate random number." Lord El Melloi Case Files adds: "The world looked like bubbles... Masses of bubbles piled up... Burst as they disappeared... An instant (The Planck Time) was a lifetime, and an equal number of universes burst and disappeared." From Imaginary Scramble Act One (1/2): "These realities derives existence from INS, which serves as encompassing medium, with their formation is triggered by the act of observation collapsing it's «unknowable chaos» into differentiated states"
It is noteworthy to be aware of the fact that the INS is the predating primordial nothingness from which life was born
The portrayal of realities as bubbles and splits from INS’s chaotic void confirms their dependent, projected status within its encompassing domain, supporting 1-A englobement.
This dependency naturally leads to INS’s capacity to nullify lower realities by reducing them to insignificance or fictional states upon interaction. This is evident in the erosion into "foam" or "indeterminate random numbers," the reconstruction of the Far Side as a "fictional pitfall," and the annihilation from observation in Imaginary Scramble. The phasing between "truth and fiction" (Hippogriff NP) supports a Reality-Fiction (R>F) transcendence, where lower realities are treated as fictional constructs from INS’s perspective.
Kiara warns: "Without Sakura, we might have been expelled into the imaginary number space and vanished into foam by now." The previous Lord El Melloi scan states: "No matter how you split it apart(the world), no matter how thin it grew, it never disappeared... but it had no meaning at all." Cursed Cutting Crater (CCC) describes: "A cursed pit that bores out reality... erodes space into imaginary space, a curse that consumes reality... reconstructed as a fictional pitfall of spiritrons... wipes out dimensions along with the target." Hippogriff NP enables: "Phases between truth and fiction," accessing a non-physical soul realm" (Reverse Side). Imaginary Scramble Act One (1/2) warns: "Observation of INS causes bugging out, leading to madness or annihilation: Either we go completely mad, or the world around us does... total annihilation." Act Two (1/4) notes: "Van Gogh’s NP creates mass from nothing, impossible in reality but sourced from INS."
INS’s erosion into foam, fictional pitfalls, and annihilation from observation establish R>F transcendence, reducing lower realities to insignificant or fictional states.
This nullification ties directly into INS’s transcendence over all dimensional hierarchies. INS exists as an adimensional void predating reality, where spatial measurements are illusory or imposed. It rejects depth and erases dimensions, rendering lower realities insignificant. As the "root" of creation and a pre-human Reverse Side domain, INS surpasses even infinite-dimensional frameworks.
CCC states: "The goddess who is the mother of earth mother goddesses that created earth is, in other words, the root that created all creation... Through her authority, BB quantifies nothingness (pre-life state) and distorts time/causality via gravitational interference... wipes out dimensions along with the target." Hippogriff NP glimpses: "An unreachable, non-physical Reverse Side, tied to INS as a higher dimensional space within the pre-human void." Early lostbelt 4 scans I provided clarified INS: "The rift between worlds... inside of nothingness and a space outside the universe." Imaginary Scramble Act Two (1/4) clarifies: "INS has no concept of depth and rejects any measurement of depth. The sense of depth we have here now is illusory Normally no ground/obstacles; tampered to form reefs."
Act One (1/2) adds: "An insurmountable gap were reality and void cannot interact," and "unobservability" rejects physics, implying adimensionality.
INS’s rejection of depth, erasure of dimensions, and pre-reality status as an unobservable void confirm its adimensional transcendence over all dimensional hierarchies, a realm of truth opposed to the fictional material reality composed of real numbers shouldn't warrant 1-A ?
I made use of that scan to boost the INS/Reverside compared to the material human world
The foundation of INS lies in its composition of imaginary numbers, which are orthogonal to the real numbers defining material reality. This non-intersection is not a quantitative increase in dimensions but a qualitative separation, where INS exists as a realm inaccessible to real-number physics. The Imaginary Scramble event describes INS (Void Space) as an unobservable domain where physical laws are inapplicable, achieving limitless possibilities through its opacity. Additionally, INS exhibits a timeless nature where a single moment spans eternity, transcending spatiotemporal frameworks
Evidence supporting this setup includes skadi describing the INS as such : "If we consider this place as imaginary numbers and ourselves as real numbers, then real numbers and imaginary numbers normally never intersect."Mash claims that "Time DOESN’T go on" indicates a suspension of linear progression while God Arjuna or were it pepe ? notes "A single moment spans an eternity," suggesting an eternal present. From Imaginary Scramble’s Opening Act: "The Reverse Side of the World, is a completely opaque domain where not even established laws of physics can be glimpsed, achieves limitless possibilities through unobservability, unlike primordial chaos which mixes elements."
Thus, the non-intersection of real and imaginary numbers, INS’s unobservable opacity, and its timeless eternal present establish it as a qualitatively transcendent realm beyond real-number physics, tending toward a 1-A classification.
Building on this transcendence, INS encompasses all lower realities as fragile, dependent constructs, often depicted as "bubbles" or transient splits emerging from its primordial void. These realities are not co-equal but derive their existence from INS, which serves as their encompassing source. The Imaginary Scramble event portrays INS as the "unknowable chaos" from which realities diverge, fulfilling 1-A’s requirement that lower structures are projections of a higher reality.
Sakura’s dialogue illustrates this: "Please think of this school building as something like a bubble floating on the far side of the moon. If the bubble disappears, you will be swallowed by the imaginary space and vanish, or rather, you will wander eternally as an 'indeterminate random number." Lord El Melloi Case Files adds: "The world looked like bubbles... Masses of bubbles piled up... Burst as they disappeared... An instant (The Planck Time) was a lifetime, and an equal number of universes burst and disappeared." From Imaginary Scramble Act One (1/2): "These realities derives existence from INS, which serves as encompassing medium, with their formation is triggered by the act of observation collapsing it's «unknowable chaos» into differentiated states"
It is noteworthy to be aware of the fact that the INS is the predating primordial nothingness from which life was born
The portrayal of realities as bubbles and splits from INS’s chaotic void confirms their dependent, projected status within its encompassing domain, supporting 1-A englobement.
This dependency naturally leads to INS’s capacity to nullify lower realities by reducing them to insignificance or fictional states upon interaction. This is evident in the erosion into "foam" or "indeterminate random numbers," the reconstruction of the Far Side as a "fictional pitfall," and the annihilation from observation in Imaginary Scramble. The phasing between "truth and fiction" (Hippogriff NP) supports a Reality-Fiction (R>F) transcendence, where lower realities are treated as fictional constructs from INS’s perspective.
Kiara warns: "Without Sakura, we might have been expelled into the imaginary number space and vanished into foam by now." The previous Lord El Melloi scan states: "No matter how you split it apart(the world), no matter how thin it grew, it never disappeared... but it had no meaning at all." Cursed Cutting Crater (CCC) describes: "A cursed pit that bores out reality... erodes space into imaginary space, a curse that consumes reality... reconstructed as a fictional pitfall of spiritrons... wipes out dimensions along with the target." Hippogriff NP enables: "Phases between truth and fiction," accessing a non-physical soul realm" (Reverse Side). Imaginary Scramble Act One (1/2) warns: "Observation of INS causes bugging out, leading to madness or annihilation: Either we go completely mad, or the world around us does... total annihilation." Act Two (1/4) notes: "Van Gogh’s NP creates mass from nothing, impossible in reality but sourced from INS."
INS’s erosion into foam, fictional pitfalls, and annihilation from observation establish R>F transcendence, reducing lower realities to insignificant or fictional states.
This nullification ties directly into INS’s transcendence over all dimensional hierarchies. INS exists as an adimensional void predating reality, where spatial measurements are illusory or imposed. It rejects depth and erases dimensions, rendering lower realities insignificant. As the "root" of creation and a pre-human Reverse Side domain, INS surpasses even infinite-dimensional frameworks.
CCC states: "The goddess who is the mother of earth mother goddesses that created earth is, in other words, the root that created all creation... Through her authority, BB quantifies nothingness (pre-life state) and distorts time/causality via gravitational interference... wipes out dimensions along with the target." Hippogriff NP glimpses: "An unreachable, non-physical Reverse Side, tied to INS as a higher dimensional space within the pre-human void." Early lostbelt 4 scans I provided clarified INS: "The rift between worlds... inside of nothingness and a space outside the universe." Imaginary Scramble Act Two (1/4) clarifies: "INS has no concept of depth and rejects any measurement of depth. The sense of depth we have here now is illusory Normally no ground/obstacles; tampered to form reefs."
Act One (1/2) adds: "An insurmountable gap were reality and void cannot interact," and "unobservability" rejects physics, implying adimensionality.
INS’s rejection of depth, erasure of dimensions, and pre-reality status as an unobservable void confirm its adimensional transcendence over all dimensional hierarchies, a realm of truth opposed to the fictional material reality composed of real numbers shouldn't warrant 1-A ?
Cool
Don't know if this helps or not but it also says Imaginary Numbers don't interact with space and time
I needed to ask something else is Musashi and Kojiro's fight feat litral or metaphor
My point shouldn't this be L-1A as spatial dimensions can't exist where space doesn't exists and it's not 0D because they surpassed it
Cool
Don't know if this helps or not but it also says Imaginary Numbers don't interact with the flow of space and time
I also needed to ask something else is Musashi and Kojiro's fight feat litral or metaphor
My point shouldn't this be L-1A as spatial dimensions can't exist where space doesn't exists and it's not 0D because they surpassed it
If there isn’t any contradiction to this then bb would be 1A
Only chars that have a certain authority on avalon 1A, not everyone elseEven if there were a fallback, I don't think it would be less than Low 1-A.
Additionally, the fact that the Nasuverse explicitly defines reality space as composed of real numbers and irreality as imaginary numbers suggests that, at worst, taking them as a duality, anything on an inverse metaphysical ground that transcends both is irreducible to 1-A. This is because the entire framework of existence and non-existence cannot capture their state of being. Now, guess a realm that fits this description? You have Avalon, the territory of fairies, which implies that fairies would still be 1-A as spiritual beings beyond the framework of existence and non-existence. Since gods scale to fairies, this would make all of them 1-A as well.
If there is one, I would also like to joinIsn't there a discord server for Nasuverse VSB? If so, can someone dm me a link?
I don't think there isIf there is one, I would also like to join
If worst comes to worst, I can start working independently while I wait for the supporters to finish the cosmology page. Then, I can ultimately focus on revision threads, doing the best I can if it's needed.I don't think there is
There's Mage's Association server for scaling the nasuverse but it is not like how you'd expect
~~Someone should make one~~
Sooo, does anyone want to explain to me why KingGhidorahEliza is TYPE MARS?!
That makes sense.Apparently, she killed every living being in Mars, and became the Type of the planet or smtg.
You could ask @CRIMPSUMPSKI2 and/or @ShinMaximillion for links.Yeah I used to be in Mage's Association server, but now not anymore.. I don't remember leaving it.I swear I'm not Dory
If some can send me the link, I'd appreciate it beyond words
Sooo, does anyone want to explain to me why KingGhidorahEliza is TYPE MARS?!
You're rightIf worst comes to worst, I can start working independently while I wait for the supporters to finish the cosmology page. Then, I can ultimately focus on revision threads, doing the best I can if it's needed.
Are you sure about 2025? Because I don’t want to say it, but we’re already at the end of the year.You're right
But I'm pretty sure the cosmology page will take a long time to finish from what I've heard maybe 2025... that's what Theoretical told me, he might have been talking about smthn else tho
So if you're certain about your scale then you should make a CRT if you want
I could make the CRT, but I don't want to mess up the work from the other guysSomeone should make a CRT if they are confident