Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Is the Space Beetle OK then?

Skaracabaz is fine

 

[Lawiegg]

Skaracabaz is fine

OK
Is it OK to have him fight the Satan?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

OK
Is it OK to have him fight the Satan?

Yep

 

[Voidnether]

????
Oh, Himeko's statement?
I'm wondering if I should contact Hoyoverse and tell them to double-check their VA of the game because it's borderline Enigmata-inducing! I mean, translating "repulse" into "defeated" is quite a feat...

This is corny as hell I can't even lie, even Genshin who had literally hundreds of inconsistencies never did this, sometimes it's insane to what length HSR fandom would go (HSR twt stuff where they try to get Aglaea, Ratio's VA and other things to resign)

This is common with Hoyoverse, if you don't like stuff, you don't expect to just contact the developers and retcon it like this is cooked man icl either way

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

By the way, this feat is calculable? This is from Simulated Universe: Unknowable Domain - Scepter: Evolution Alter: Extreme

"Is there a perfect medium for wisdom to exist? As the inorganic bionic neuron clusters of the Mechanical Emperor, the Scepters should possess the property of bearing intelligence. The School of Evolutionary Perfection scholars once suspected that #Rubert II used the Scepters as a cerebral extension of thought expansion to generate enough computational power to destroy half the universe with his mortal body. Though the IPC has imposed many restrictions on inorganic lifeform research projects, that has not prevented scholars' academic efforts from being slowly diverted from flesh to metal.

It is as Scholar Torkirk declared: Beyond minuscule protein balls and limited lifespans, we will eventually create intelligence that transcends all."

 

[Hsharpe]

So if I'm correct on this, Irontomb can strip all lifeforms of their sentience by destroying the very foundation of Erudition. As said by Lygus:

[My grandiose vision for the future is this: whether organic or inorganic, every act of any life-form infected by the Irontomb will become a true random function. If one were to compute their integral across the breadth of the cosmos, one would obtain a marvelous constant... Ω — What I call "The Fall of Erudition."] - Lygus

What kind of ability would Irontomb get from this?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So if I'm correct on this, Irontomb can strip all lifeforms of their sentience by destroying the very foundation of Erudition. As said by Lygus:

[My grandiose vision for the future is this: whether organic or inorganic, every act of any life-form infected by the Irontomb will become a true random function. If one were to compute their integral across the breadth of the cosmos, one would obtain a marvelous constant... Ω — What I call "The Fall of Erudition."] - Lygus

What kind of ability would Irontomb get from this?

Corruption I guess?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

“its stoll using small cutscenenejwahsh”
OKAY BRO DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MY POINT?
if he vlwere to actually use the abilities immetioned that he actually NEVER USED, be it gameplay cutscene or statement id have no problem. but no he did not its just that caracter story saying he fights people with gravity and small black holes.
This is why i had people say “Yo bro JY used LL to protect us from Phantylias star!!”
or “broo welt used img barrier broo” without genuenly 0 proof like yea welt definetlynused img singularity to one shot dominicus
(it was actually us doing most of the job)
Sure you can say they use all their abilities they CURRENTLY have shown but if i see people say yoo welt is in his prime bcs owlbert says so i will consider them illiterate bcs in no way is using only one thing (gravity) to fight showcasing prime abilities.
Prime Welt would unironically he able to replicate imaginary implosion pulse and start blowing up everyone and everything

But where did I say that Welt was using said abilities? Why does Welt need to use his bajillion abilities? Why does it disqualify him? Would you say Goku is holding back his full power, not in his prime, or full strength in his physicals against Jiren because he didnt use all his bajillion abilities in his arsenal? He can still his his prime strength/physicals without using his entire arsenal.

ts is how chars like Linghsa Sushang Aglaee Hyacine (no coreflame amp) and fcking Tribbie (and many more) got their tiering bcs according to gameplay they grazed right asscheek on the enemy they faced
and why i did not want profiles for featless mfs
no one would complain this much abt scaling chain if we made profiles only for those who actually have fighting scenes or have been actively used in game to fight (or if hoyo can stop making boss fights literal jukping sessions like why is svarog gepard sunday and co being jumped by 5+ people)

Ill make a pom pom profile just for you

Yo is there any good Matchups for Castorice?
Preferably from Bleach

why bleach lol

 

[Lawiegg]

But where did I say that Welt was using said abilities? Why does Welt need to use his bajillion abilities? Why does it disqualify him? Would you say Goku is holding back his full power, not in his prime, or full strength in his physicals against Jiren because he didnt use all his bajillion abilities in his arsenal? He can still his his prime strength/physicals without using his entire arsenal.


Ill make a pom pom profile just for you


why bleach lol

I mean are death Related so ye

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But where did I say that Welt was using said abilities? Why does Welt need to use his bajillion abilities? Why does it disqualify him? Would you say Goku is holding back his full power, not in his prime, or full strength in his physicals against Jiren because he didnt use all his bajillion abilities in his arsenal? He can still his his prime strength/physicals without using his entire arsenal.

Like I'm thinking about this even more

Krillin (DBS Anime)

Krillin or Kuririn (クリリン, Kuririn?) is a former monk of the Orin Temple who ran away to train under Master Roshi, eventually doing so alongside Son Goku, who would grow to become his best friend. Tier: 2-C, higher with Destructo Disc | 2-C, far higher with Destructo Disc Key: Tournament of Power...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Do I make a crt to nuke Krillin from low multi to like star level under the argument that Base Goku isnt using his prime strength, full power in that state because he didnt charge up an entire spirit bomb, use hakai, or his 50 other abilities on Krillin despite him shown physically trying and was even forced into super saiyan by Krillin showing visible effort he was unable to stop his attack.

None of these are disqualifiers to Krillin or Welt.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I mean are death Related so ye

yeah but theres a ridiculous ap gap

 

[Voidnether]

By the way, this feat is calculable? This is from Simulated Universe: Unknowable Domain - Scepter: Evolution Alter: Extreme

"Is there a perfect medium for wisdom to exist? As the inorganic bionic neuron clusters of the Mechanical Emperor, the Scepters should possess the property of bearing intelligence. The School of Evolutionary Perfection scholars once suspected that #Rubert II used the Scepters as a cerebral extension of thought expansion to generate enough computational power to destroy half the universe with his mortal body. Though the IPC has imposed many restrictions on inorganic lifeform research projects, that has not prevented scholars' academic efforts from being slowly diverted from flesh to metal.

It is as Scholar Torkirk declared: Beyond minuscule protein balls and limited lifespans, we will eventually create intelligence that transcends all."

Pretty sure, no, since the universe just refers to the Tree altogether which is a 12-D structure so destroying half of the universe would meant destroying half of the Tree which would grant atleast infinite speed tbh

 

[Voidnether]

So if I'm correct on this, Irontomb can strip all lifeforms of their sentience by destroying the very foundation of Erudition. As said by Lygus:

[My grandiose vision for the future is this: whether organic or inorganic, every act of any life-form infected by the Irontomb will become a true random function. If one were to compute their integral across the breadth of the cosmos, one would obtain a marvelous constant... Ω — What I call "The Fall of Erudition."] - Lygus

What kind of ability would Irontomb get from this?

So, Nous was able to calculate the trajectories and movement of every being which is how the Omnisicia works too like the entire mechanism of the Precognition was to see the future through the past with all these stuff. Irontomb just reversed this and make it chaotic, it's similar to Aha making the Knowable Domain as the Unknowable Domain in the end so it's likely related with Probability Manipulation and how Irontomb doing this would successfully reverse the HSR civilization to stone age altogether

 

[Voidnether]

“its stoll using small cutscenenejwahsh”
OKAY BRO DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MY POINT?
if he vlwere to actually use the abilities immetioned that he actually NEVER USED, be it gameplay cutscene or statement id have no problem. but no he did not its just that caracter story saying he fights people with gravity and small black holes.
This is why i had people say “Yo bro JY used LL to protect us from Phantylias star!!”
or “broo welt used img barrier broo” without genuenly 0 proof like yea welt definetlynused img singularity to one shot dominicus
(it was actually us doing most of the job)
Sure you can say they use all their abilities they CURRENTLY have shown but if i see people say yoo welt is in his prime bcs owlbert says so i will consider them illiterate bcs in no way is using only one thing (gravity) to fight showcasing prime abilities.
Prime Welt would unironically he able to replicate imaginary implosion pulse and start blowing up everyone and everything

Genshin listing Surtalogi to be able to use all of Skirk's abilities because he teached her that, or Skirk getting all of Childe's abilities because Skirk teached him that and the many more things unsaid about Genshin getting away with listing abilities that were genuinely never used

And many more fictions that use this as the example, ffs if we're going by this logic just nuke the 1-B altogether because Emanators weren't shown to kill an Aeon even if they had the potential!?! 2? #8#(29#(29#(29@! 202(#920#(29#(29@+#9#) #(#9#9#(#88#) (

Every fiction gets away with it so what do you mean we can't get away with it?! #? #! #) #(29@(29@(27#! 2(#+#+20#) 1(@09#(2(#9@) @! #920#! 39#9#+2829#(#(2) 20#) #(#8929#) #! @92(#! #+2828 1101101010101 01001010101 0101010100101010101010

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Genshin listing Surtalogi to be able to use all of Skirk's abilities because he teached her that, or Skirk getting all of Childe's abilities because Skirk teached him that and the many more things unsaid about Genshin getting away with listing abilities that were genuinely never used

And many more fictions that use this as the example, ffs if we're going by this logic just nuke the 1-B altogether because Emanators weren't shown to kill an Aeon even if they had the potential!?! 2? #8#(29#(29#(29@! 202(#920#(29#(29@+#9#) #(#9#9#(#88#) (

Every fiction gets away with it so what do you mean we can't get away with it?! #? #! #) #(29@(29@(27#! 2(#+#+20#) 1(@09#(2(#9@) @! #920#! 39#9#+2829#(#(2) 20#) #(#8929#) #! @92(#! #+2828 1101101010101 01001010101 0101010100101010101010

Remember when he gave Stelle access to the entirety of 4 different path powers where she didn't use like 95% of them?

 

[Voidnether]

So, Nous was able to calculate the trajectories and movement of every being which is how the Omnisicia works too like the entire mechanism of the Precognition was to see the future through the past with all these stuff. Irontomb just reversed this and make it chaotic, it's similar to Aha making the Knowable Domain as the Unknowable Domain in the end so it's likely related with Probability Manipulation and how Irontomb doing this would successfully reverse the HSR civilization to stone age altogether

Lowkey bro Irontomb should just reverse the civilization to stone age or way far more before that so we don't have to deal with all this

 

[Voidnether]

Remember when he gave Stelle access to the entirety of 4 different path powers where she didn't use like 95% of them?

The way VSBattles in its entirety would be ruined if the Magic physiology from Marvel requires the user to showcase and use all of the abilities there..... How did they get away?! But when it's us.. We have to showcase them all.. Like the pokemons..

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The way VSBattles in its entirety would be ruined if the Magic physiology from Marvel requires the user to showcase and use all of the abilities there..... How did they get away?! But when it's us.. We have to showcase them all.. Like the pokemons..

Like I'm thinking about this even more

Krillin (DBS Anime)

Krillin or Kuririn (クリリン, Kuririn?) is a former monk of the Orin Temple who ran away to train under Master Roshi, eventually doing so alongside Son Goku, who would grow to become his best friend. Tier: 2-C, higher with Destructo Disc | 2-C, far higher with Destructo Disc Key: Tournament of Power...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Do I make a crt to nuke Krillin from low multi to like star level under the argument that Base Goku isnt using his prime strength, full power in that state because he didnt charge up an entire spirit bomb, use hakai, or his 50 other abilities on Krillin despite him shown physically trying and was even forced into super saiyan by Krillin showing visible effort he was unable to stop his attack.

None of these are disqualifiers to Krillin or Welt.

But its still using small action cutscenes to disqualify him.

Like whenever the astral express fights overworld enemies with a prior cutscene that theyre gonna fight. Do you think they actually fought and used their arsenal or just stood in a T pose position the entire fight letting their aura do the job for them considering these no action cutscenes for those types of fights.

The Krillin example and the T pose examples solos the Welt argument

 

[Hsharpe]

The way VSBattles in its entirety would be ruined if the Magic physiology from Marvel requires the user to showcase and use all of the abilities there..... How did they get away?! But when it's us.. We have to showcase them all.. Like the pokemons..

Probably bias against games like HSR. Which is pure stupid.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Wait is rappa better that FF?

always have been in FP

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

always have been in FP

now get a higher score

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

now get a higher score

Max stars = im done. not touching that shi again

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Max stars = im done. not touching that shi again

nah bro get 80k

 

[PedjaTarzan]

actually **** arguing if welt uses prime powers or no, but if i genuenly see anyone say shit like
“But traveler using these abilities are OOC bcs he never used them on screen!”
or to any other character in vs threads when it comes to hoyo i will personally use Cyrene ulti and destroy 8 planets including this one so yea i will destroy this pitiful solar system so everyone WILL DIE

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

actually **** arguing if welt uses prime powers or no, but if i genuenly see anyone say shit like
“But traveler using these abilities are OOC bcs he never used them on screen!”
or to any other character in vs threads when it comes to hoyo i will personally use Cyrene ulti and destroy 8 planets including this one so yea i will destroy this pitiful solar system so everyone WILL DIE

All we're saying is Welt is still around the strength of his prime

 

[PedjaTarzan]

All we're saying is Welt is still around the strength of his prime

My reasoning is completely different bcs im not talking abt strenght but powers he has, compare TB whos blatantly stated plus shown to use powers he gets vs him and you will see what i mean.
i mean he literally says “demonstrate powers possesed in his prime” and then its powers he shows…base bronya uses with her robot (her ulti is literally summoning a black hole)

 

[Ayato256]

This is corny as hell I can't even lie, even Genshin who had literally hundreds of inconsistencies never did this, sometimes it's insane to what length HSR fandom would go (HSR twt stuff where they try to get Aglaea, Ratio's VA and other things to resign)

This is common with Hoyoverse, if you don't like stuff, you don't expect to just contact the developers and retcon it like this is cooked man icl either way

I know

So if I'm correct on this, Irontomb can strip all lifeforms of their sentience by destroying the very foundation of Erudition. As said by Lygus:

[My grandiose vision for the future is this: whether organic or inorganic, every act of any life-form infected by the Irontomb will become a true random function. If one were to compute their integral across the breadth of the cosmos, one would obtain a marvelous constant... Ω — What I call "The Fall of Erudition."] - Lygus

What kind of ability would Irontomb get from this?

Maybe
But that's not the case, he's essentially trying to reverse the calculations of Erudition, So not really destroying the consciousness of a being, it is rather removing the calculation linked to it.

actually **** arguing if welt uses prime powers or no, but if i genuenly see anyone say shit like

Personally, I only ask for a speed feat from Welt in the Hsr framework, nothing else

 

[DavidTPPM]

666:Satan vs any HSR character who can breathe and fly in outer space is good enough for me

People REALLY want me to hurry the Satan profile revamp

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I think sandbox is almost done. @Enryu_The_Red_Tower can you check

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think sandbox is almost done. @Enryu_The_Red_Tower can you check

you are breaking my heart with that image

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

you are breaking my heart with that image

The sandbox looks good, but some things are confusing like her having her March 7th persona having the Enigmata abilities despite it being written "All previous powers and abilities minus likely Emanator of Enigmata", I personally would wait for Version 3.7 in case she gets more stuff, plus the fact that we'll be fighting Irontomb and probably tanking its Surtur attacks

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The sandbox looks good, but some things are confusing like her having her March 7th persona having the Enigmata abilities despite it being written "All previous powers and abilities minus likely Emanator of Enigmata", I personally would wait for Version 3.7 in case she gets more stuff, plus the fact that we'll be fighting Irontomb and probably tanking its Surtur attacks

I mean

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The sandbox looks good, but some things are confusing like her having her March 7th persona having the Enigmata abilities despite it being written "All previous powers and abilities minus likely Emanator of Enigmata", I personally would wait for Version 3.7 in case she gets more stuff, plus the fact that we'll be fighting Irontomb and probably tanking its Surtur attacks

Did I get something confused. I lost like 30 IQ from how long this event is.

 

[Ezalipaz]

Wait is rappa better that FF?

In general, Rappa damage is more than FF by 10-ish% in 1 enemy and 30-ish% in 3 enemy scenarios, assuming the enemy/ies have both IMG and Fire weakness. If the enemy/ies does not have both Fire and IMG weakness, then FF is still better since she can break enemies faster and have higher toughness reduction for higher Superbreak damage calc, thanks to the weakness implant
In PF, it's another story; Rappa is nowhere near comparable to FF since FF is not even top-tier to begin with, unlike Rappa, which used to be one of the best

 

[Ayato256]

I think sandbox is almost done. @Enryu_The_Red_Tower can you check

(I love this moment of the game)
it looks good, I would have thought she would have AE type 1 since her true form is an obsession

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

(I love this moment of the game)
it looks good, I would have thought she would have AE type 1 since her true form is an obsession

Shes still missing alot of abilities and an IQ section dedicated to evernight. This entire day was dedicated to figuring out whether or not evernight is multiple selves type 1 or type 1 and 2

 

[Ayato256]

Shes still missing alot of abilities and an IQ section dedicated to evernight. This entire day was dedicated to figuring out whether or not evernight is multiple selves type 1 or type 1 and 2

rather both types at the same time, right?
But it's obvious that there are things missing, especially its ability to destroy Memokeepers physiology.
Plus it's likely she'll have some more stuff in 3.7 (or it could very well have nothing more)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

rather both types at the same time, right?
But it's obvious that there are things missing, especially its ability to destroy Memokeepers physiology.
Plus it's likely she'll have some more stuff in 3.7 (or it could very well have nothing more)

List all the missing abilities rq please

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

But it's obvious that there are things missing, especially its ability to destroy Memokeepers physiology.

I mean, the current Evernight's sandbox has Existence Erasure, which is enough to destroy those with Memokeeper Physiology

Also, Permansor Terrae's sandbox

 

[StalkerCh]

You'll have to ask others, I haven't made any profiles. But from memory there are two keys. One for Welt Hi3 and another for Welt HSR. For me, a third one should be created for Welt APHO.

Alright. Then what is your take on speed of HSR characters?