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General Godzilla Discussion
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I don’t care, we got the canon win, they can seethe, cope and mald.
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I don't care either, but my point is the irony that the Hulk and Death Battle fans will prefer that show over the fact that canonically Godzilla beat up the Hulk.
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Oh I know, they’ll call Godzilla a fraud and shit, but ignore the actual source material.
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Exactly.
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No, he wouldn't. What is he gonna do against Godzilla Ultima?
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It's funny how DB said they are gonna use composite Godzilla but only used shin Godzilla, Godzilla minus one, Godzilla in hell, Godzilla vs Megaguirus and Godzilla Ultima anime but completely ignored Godzilla Singular Point Novelization (they ignored IT and the whole cosmology of Singular Point with higher planes of existence but talked about Marvel cosmology and their higher realms), Godzilla vs Space Godzilla manga (where Space Godzilla absorbed so much energy the whole universe glowed white and being stated to be able to destroy planets), they completely ignored Godzilla Earth who is a being who can manifest on different planets depending on how advenced civilization is and destroyed three black holes, etc
Hell, they even mentioned GMK Godzilla and Godzilla from Kiryu saga who can possess other beings but never brought this ability to the battle itself.
Hell, they even mentioned GMK Godzilla and Godzilla from Kiryu saga who can possess other beings but never brought this ability to the battle itself.
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In a gag comic Godzilla wouldn't get drilled into his flash by wolverine and magneto.
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He is Town level at best...for now...
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Town level? Is this from him surviving maser cannons or scaling to Volga destroying a space ship?
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From the explosion generated by his Atomic Breath...but I'm just eyeballing the feat...
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Make his own singular point + hyper evolving AI to tell Ultima to leave. With Bruce's level of intelligence It wouldn't be to unreasonable for him to build something similar to SHIVA with enough time and then put an AI into it.
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The representation of Godzilla Ultima in DB is inaccurate, as they made him have just an "average" level of intelligence, whereas in fact Ultima is a supergenius, making him even more intelligent than Bruce Banner.
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Sure but Ultima is not infallible and with the added benefit of ping ponging between the current universe and the bellow place Bruce should be able to at least partially function outside of his gaze.
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First of all:
It's called DEATH BATTLE, this would not kill Ultima at all.
Second of all: this is literally outside help. It's Hulk vs Godzilla not Godzilla vs Hulk and Bruce Banner, unless you agree that Hulk can't win against Godzilla without Bruce.
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Yes, he literally is? The whole point of IT is that it's immortal.
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None death verdicts have happened before, it's nothing new. Also Banner and Hulk are the same entity claiming Banner is outside help is dumb. IT is more outside help than Banner is.
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Ultima lost in Singular Point. Yes IT is a higher dimension thing that encompasses everything but Ultima is only a trunk of it, if you can create another trunk you can "beat" him.
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Going with DB rules Godzilla Ultima killed Hulk but he revived via green door, that's automatic win for Ultima.
It's literally outside help. They never gave him Banner in any of the other battles. It was just an excuse for Hulk to win.
Also, how is IT outside help when that's literally Godzilla itself? With this logic green door is outside help from One Below All.
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Back in the day I made a thorough explanation on why this doesn't work
To add to this, there's the fact that Death Battle straight up spread misinfo about the sequence. They said the sequence was an NP-Complete program. This is wrong. First, the sequence doesn't truly exists, Pelops straight up says that after returning from the SP. Two, it was incalculable by the SHIVA computer. SHIVA is explicitly stated in the novel to be capable of PSPACE level calculations. This is not to account for the fact that red dust creatures have unlimited computational capacity similar to a turing machine, meaning that they're likely capable of calculations well above EXPSPACE and EXPTIME.
Pelops solved the sequence through unknown means and over a billion attempts whilst running inside SHIVA, as well as with the addition of the aforementioned miraculous event. He called his Jet Jaguar invincible form JJ PP, PP standing for a high class of PSPACE class calculations, meaning that the sequence was, besides all the aforementioned events and caveats, at least a PP level problem.
Banner was scaled to DB to Reed Richards who can calculate PSPACE-Complete level problems. The issue is, well, the fact that they did that in the first place. Reed afaik is the smartest scientist in Marvel and scaling intelligence of all things, especially downscaling, is a ridiculous notion. We know Hulk is one of the 8 smartest people on earth but if we go by Dr. Doom's statements Banner is smarter than him in some fields. This means there are fields where Banner would be close or above Reed and Doom, likely in knowledge in physics and radiation, but nothing suggests he'd be close to them when it comes to mathematical calculations.
In short, if we shoved Hulk into the Singular Point story he'd be able to beat Ultima, probably by working with the other characters and gaining access to SHIVA. Outside of that universe he wouldn't have any of the things that are necessary to beat Ultima.
Whilst I agree that Banner isn't outside help, IT is literally Godzilla. Like if you take away IT from Godzilla Ultima, he will collapse and stop function entirely, perhaps even just vanish completely. IT is Godzilla's mind, personality, existence. It'd be like saying you are not actually you because your brain exists in a higher dimension.
You cannot create another trunk. The trunk was made on accident by IT for unknown reasons. This was a one time event in one universe. This wouldn't happen again.
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That might be true, but even if Ultima isn’t infallible, his intelligence still far surpasses Bruce’s. Plus, Godzilla has cosmic awareness, so thinking Bruce could operate outside his gaze assumes Ultima’s senses are limited.
Just to clarify, “IT” and Godzilla are the same being; they’re not separate entities. “IT” is simply another form or aspect of Godzilla.
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I'm not saying IT is outside help I'm saying that it's "more" closer to that then Banner, cause they're the same person, like literally, not an aspect or avatar of a higher being, but like the same guy.
Also if we were to presume that Ultima/IT and all the marvel stuff were to exist at the same time, the Below Place would be outside of Ultima's range.
Also if we were to presume that Ultima/IT and all the marvel stuff were to exist at the same time, the Below Place would be outside of Ultima's range.
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I mean, IT is so vast that it can’t even fit in the universe. That’s why it manifests through Godzilla as its avatar, basically his physical form that allows it to interact with reality.
The same applies to Bruce, as he simply doesn’t have the range to affect IT. We’re talking about a being that exists on a cosmic scale, far beyond Banner or the Hulk's range.
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Ultima is a husk or a viechle that IT created and manifested into so that it can enter the universe. Ultima and IT are the same thing just in different states.
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Yes but SHIVA is also such an entity and rather assist Ultima it was directly used to stop the entity.
Yeah but he doesn't need to do that to win. If DB allows a BFR (?) than he doesn't need the range to damage IT he just needs the intelligence to emulate what they pulled in Singular Point or at least something similar which I think he's smart enough for him to do so.
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So my ass wrote those paragraphs out for nothing then ey?
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Can someone tell me what happend in godzilla vs hulk
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Hulk admits that Godzilla hits harder than either the Thing or Thor. Growing to kaiju size himself, Hulk wields both a hammer and an axe in their clash. He slams Godzilla to the ground, stomps on him, and draws blood. Godzilla counters by twisting Hulk’s leg and tackling him. The two bite each other, and Godzilla’s bite ends with a burst of atomic breath that lights Hulk up from the inside like an X-ray.
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Damn godzilla has insane dura
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I'm not trying to start any arguments but is it just me or is Hulk's durability kinda bad?
Like, he can be hurt by his normal villains and weaker characters than himself in immortal hulk story, in one comic (I can't remember what it's called) he was veporized by an atomic bomb (I'm pretty sure this was hulk from the future or something), sometimes he gets slashed by Wolverine's claws, he was eaten by a werewolf and now in this new comic he is getting consistently damaged and slashed.
Idk how controversial this take is tho.
Like, he can be hurt by his normal villains and weaker characters than himself in immortal hulk story, in one comic (I can't remember what it's called) he was veporized by an atomic bomb (I'm pretty sure this was hulk from the future or something), sometimes he gets slashed by Wolverine's claws, he was eaten by a werewolf and now in this new comic he is getting consistently damaged and slashed.
Idk how controversial this take is tho.
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It's comics, plus Hulk has one of the few built in explanations of his power fluctuating with his rage. Is is consistent, probably not, but it IS an explanation. Plus Wolverine is made of adamantium, he can stab everyone.
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He can't really beat IT, the avatar maybe, but he doesn't have the range to reach IT and gets speedblitzed
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Ultima can do the same thing, since the Avatar can see infinite possibilities at once. Also The Avatar would turn into The Omega Point before Banner could even do that
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Off-topic about Godzilla vs Hulk, but I found a very good Godzilla analog horror that turn Ghidorah into a biblically accurate Seraphim
