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Chrollo Lucilfer vs Frieren (0-8-1) GRACE

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Rules:
  • Starting distance of 200 meters
  • Fight takes place in Yorknew City
  • In-character
  • SBA

Chrollo: 0
Frieren: 8 (@Greatsage13th ,@VoidGoji ,@Mommyleona ,@YungManzi ,@DailyFairy, @Kavopaco, @Epyriel, @CastoriceTheFifth )
Inconclusive: 1 (@LIFE_OF_KING)
 
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I'd say Chrollo takes this because Frieren lacks any defense against Ren that induces madness and fear.
 
I'd say Chrollo takes this because Frieren lacks any defense against Ren that induces madness and fear.
Ren has range and only really matters if opponent tries to forcefully push through it, the moment Frieren feels unexplainable fear/aura, she'll just put more distance between Chrollo and herself by flying away (starting distance is already 200 meters, which is a massive advantage for frieren), fighting at range is more than in character for her to begin with, giving her more of a reason for that only diminishes Chrollo's chances at winning tremendously, considering what effective ranged attacks does he have? Most of his stronger abilities require a set up of sorts, which he will have no time for. He's absolutely cooked when Frieiren flies a few hundreds meters away and into the air and rains Zoltraak on his ass, he also only reaches small town lvl by using Ryu and Ko, his normal dura is only MCB, meaning he gets shredded if he doesnt perfectly block her blasts, which she spams with no issue
 
Nope, judging by the profile.
This is still on the profile. But the explanation I had for it (deconstruction, was removed), which is fair I guess since even I wasn’t sure about that classification.

The problem with not having the classification while keeping SR, is if they keep dura neg without decon, what resistance would even be needed to defend against it? Honestly not sure.
 
This is still on the profile. But the explanation I had for it (deconstruction, was removed), which is fair I guess since even I wasn’t sure about that classification.
Oh, wait. There was a separate page for that. My bad.
The problem with not having the classification while keeping SR, is if they keep dura neg without decon, what resistance would even be needed to defend against it? Honestly not sure.
Greater magic power I guess.
 
Ah yes, a power you can only resist by having more power than the user.
Chrollo (2.79 Kilotons) vs Frieren (1.0722 Kilotons). So I think with that said, it should not be much of a factor as Chrollo has over twice her statistical attack power.
Frieren for top 10 in 10-B? Lol.
...Not a bad idea actually, if only the things it can do and negate is not so vague.
 
Honestly though, even without that, I can’t see what stops Frieren from just breaking down all of his moves with her Extraordinary Genius Intelligence and spamming Zoltrack from outside of his range.

She normally acts as a mid to long range fighter anyway.
 
Frieren outranges and spams zoltraak while flying and dodging his stuff. She takes this, low-diff
 
no, but this doesnt matter here

only really refers to Ubel lol
Idk why. It should apply to everyone under certain circumstances and especially Frieren. Literally the top 1-2 mages in the world. Why would she not be confident in her magic?

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It’s specifically stated that Ubel’s power has more to do with her weird philosophy around magic than it has to do with anything. It’s entirely mental. Meaning magic in general has the capability of doing this depending on the user’s mental state.
 
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It should apply to everyone under certain circumstances
kinda?
especially Frieren. Literally the top 1-2 mages in the world.
exact opposite actually, as she is more restricted by her more "common" view of magic/lack of extraordinary imagination
Why would she not be confident in her magic
its more so, how should i say, how delusional/insane you are, most of subjective reality stuff is really just Ubel, as basically all other "normal" humans and even demons more or less follow "normal" magic rules (correct me if im wrong)
she's confident in her abilities but not delusional like Ubel, she sees a barrier she cant break - she cant imagine breaking it
Ubel however sees an otherwise "indestructible cloak" but is able to see it as a cloak first, a fabric, and therefore can imagine cutting it
you need to visualize it perfectly
Meaning magic in general has the capability of doing this depending on the user’s mental state.
potentially sure, but its made clear this is generally impossible if your view/mindset/imagination consider it impossible
 
kinda?

exact opposite actually, as she is more restricted by her more "common" view of magic/lack of extraordinary imagination

its more so, how should i say, how delusional/insane you are, most of subjective reality stuff is really just Ubel, as basically all other "normal" humans and even demons more or less follow "normal" magic rules (correct me if im wrong)
she's confident in her abilities but not delusional like Ubel, she sees a barrier she cant break - she cant imagine breaking it
Ubel however sees an otherwise "indestructible cloak" but is able to see it as a cloak first, a fabric, and therefore can imagine cutting it
you need to visualize it perfectly

potentially sure, but its made clear this is generally impossible if your view/mindset/imagination consider it impossible
I just… completely disagree.

Mind you, Ubel’s magic can still be blocked by ordinary magecraft.
Her mindset was only considered “delusional” by other mages in the context of special magic defenses, because she’s breaking through absurd magic defenses with her own magic.
One only has to be “delusional” in a battle between mages, where magic and magic power is the object of concern and you can clearly look at something and tell it would resist your magic, and still break through it anyway, that’s where delusion comes in.

But in general, it’s literally as simply as “I think my magic will penetrate, so it will.” Any mage confident in their magic should be capable of replicating that feat, especially against someone without visible magic defenses.
 
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Ubel’s magic can still be blocked by ordinary magecraft.
because from her perception, when she sees a magic barrier, she cant imagine cutting it
however she can imagine cutting fabric, or rope
But in general, it’s literally as simply as “I think my magic will penetrate, so it will.” Any mage confident in their magic should be capable of replicating that feat
no, it is not that simple, you need to perfectly visualize it happening
otherwise normal brawlers/non mages would be basically fodder, yet they are clearly not and many times noted to be dangerous for mages
 
because from her perception, when she sees a magic barrier, she cant imagine cutting it
however she can imagine cutting fabric, or rope

no, it is not that simple, you need to perfectly visualize it happening
otherwise normal brawlers/non mages would be basically fodder, yet they are clearly not and many times noted to be dangerous for mages
They literally are fodder though, if not for everyone wearing equipment that protects them from Zoltraak’s magic.

Standard magic attacks melt through everyone.
This was explained in the Qual fight.
 
Ren has range and only really matters if opponent tries to forcefully push through it, the moment Frieren feels unexplainable fear/aura, she'll just put more distance between Chrollo
That's wrong tho. Ren outright paralyses you

However, we see that willpower can allow someone to react better to Ren, like Gon and Killua with Pitou, and the only time that it paralysed someone 100% was against a nobody... so uh, you're right? (Ren is deadass the most vague shit for a verse that loves to overexplain everything)

I guess I will vote icon, if someone bring some news I migh change votes
 
Ren outright paralyses you
"outright paralyses you"
It looks to me like he didnt move because of fear, which is just a natural response of some people to fear, and again they were next to each other, starting distance is 200m here, we dont see anyone affecting people from that distance as far as i remember (NOT counting ants)
and Frieren resists paralysis inducement from her profile, the link is broken tho
However, we see that willpower can allow someone to react better to Ren, like Gon and Killua with Pitou, and the only time that it paralysed someone 100% was against a nobody... so uh, you're right?
yea
Ren is deadass the most vague shit for a verse that loves to overexplain everything
true
 
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