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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

We literally did, the entire point of the Simulated Universe was to simulate what happened in that event using the simulated Aeon's projections. This in itself already implies that it happened without their avatar, as stated by Kafka a patch earlier before 1.3 that only an Aeon could harm an Aeon. Literally it wouldn't even make sense in the slightest if it's their avatar only, like Luocha's coffin is capable of carrying THEIR avatar??
You mean text on a screen that can easily leave out a ton of details? Also, not being capable of carrying their avatar, as opposed to what? Your last point is still nonsense.

Anyway my original point which you seem to be dodging still stands. Phainon harming nanooks avatar doesn’t contradict the fact nanook was real and very much present
 
You mean text on a screen that can easily leave out a ton of details? Also, not being capable of carrying their avatar, as opposed to what? Your last point is still nonsense.

Anyway my original point which you seem to be dodging still stands. Phainon harming nanooks avatar doesn’t contradict the fact nanook was real and very much present
If all aeons in the simulated universe are avatars, does that mean the "real" Tazzyronth can get hurt because their avatar got hurt?

If that's true, then what's the difference between their avatar and their real body?

Keep in mind that there is no text suggesting the Tazzyronth who was sealed or killed was merely an avatar.
 
Aeons tread upon paths imperceptible to mortal beings and execute unfathomable powers via some form of belief. In the end, the Aeons became an embodiment of highly condensed concepts of philosophy through the word of mouth spread of their legends

Combine the fact Paths are Philosophical concepts and you have it “masterless paths” either means paths where Aeon is currently dead od concepts yet to be ascended at by aeon
This does not differentiate from what I say, THEY are not the Path, just the incarnation that has the monopoly of power over them
(its probably the firmer as there is not a single definitively dead aeon, long is more than likely dead in a sense of his path being cycle of death and reincarnation)
Long and Ena are the only "dead" Aeons All the others, like Ouroboros and Akivili, are "gone" (Himeko being the only one to call him dead).
 
You mean text on a screen that can easily leave out a ton of details? Also, not being capable of carrying their avatar, as opposed to what? Your last point is still nonsense.

Anyway my original point which you seem to be dodging still stands. Phainon harming nanooks avatar doesn’t contradict the fact nanook was real and very much present
What do you mean nonsense when Luocha's coffin literally carried Tayzzyronth's physical body, also how the hell would we even get it since there won't be any expansion to those anymore. It's obvious it was explained in full details, it's just that you're discarding the feats and all that if it doesn't fit your own headcanon. Phainon harmed the actual Nanook itself, hence the last blessing of destruction. Phainon had to hurt Nanook's concept as a whole and he managed to accomplish that feat even if it regenerated. The word emphasis "real" literally meant it's a real Nanook as opposed to their avatar, would we just think that whatever the heck Sunday accomplished by temporarily reviving Ena is only THEIR avatar? That's in itself is more "nonsense" than whatever the hell you're doing by discarding them if it doesn't fit your headcanon
 
What do you mean nonsense when Luocha's coffin literally carried Tayzzyronth's physical body, also how the hell would we even get it since there won't be any expansion to those anymore. It's obvious it was explained in full details, it's just that you're discarding the feats and all that if it doesn't fit your own headcanon. Phainon harmed the actual Nanook itself, hence the last blessing of destruction. Phainon had to hurt Nanook's concept as a whole and he managed to accomplish that feat even if it regenerated. The word emphasis "real" literally meant it's a real Nanook as opposed to their avatar, would we just think that whatever the heck Sunday accomplished by temporarily reviving Ena is only THEIR avatar? That's in itself is more "nonsense" than whatever the hell you're doing by discarding them if it doesn't fit your headcanon
I’m not even going to address your first point, filled with nonsense assumptions about a situation we don’t have the full details about. Honestly pathetic attempt.

Yeah, you use headcanon while accusing others of using headcanon, are you being for real? Nanook being real doesn’t contradict it being nanooks avatar. Both can be simultaneously true. You keep dodging that simple ass point. Try again and address my point this time
 
mental gymnastics arguing this as if true form aeons are ******* incomprehensible to the point THEY have to manifest as avatars to even see them
 
I’m not even going to address your first point, filled with nonsense assumptions about a situation we don’t have the full details about. Honestly pathetic attempt.

Yeah, you use headcanon while accusing others of using headcanon, are you being for real? Nanook being real doesn’t contradict it being nanooks avatar. Both can be simultaneously true. You keep dodging that simple ass point. Try again and address my point this time
You're so dumb I cant
 
I just read Cyrene's kit... her kit looks like a public service exam essay because of how long it is, omg, what the heck is Hoyo doing? Now I'm curious to know how much Hoyo will wank the expies of Yae Sakura and Kiana when they were released.
 
I just read Cyrene's kit... her kit looks like a public service exam essay because of how long it is, omg, what the heck is Hoyo doing? Now I'm curious to know how much Hoyo will wank the expies of Yae Sakura and Kiana when they were released.
Tbh it's because it's designed for the entire Chrysos Heirs even if the best option is still the Remembrance team with Castorice, Evernight and Hyacine. That being said, Cyrene isn't actually that "OP" though since the ultimate is so awfully slow to charge if it's not with this team cause even the second BiS (Phainon one with Cerydra and DHPT) is still so slow afaik and the rest? It just sucks

Also, we shouldn't even worry about Cyrene anymore when Level 82 Irontomb (The one on the weekly boss) like its last phase which is the 99999x healthbar one is 92.909.944 HP with an insta-kill mechanic which only goes down if you're using a Remembrance team

「HSR 3.7v2」
Irontomb Weekly Boss 3 Phases HP (Lv82)
[HomDGCat] #HSR

1821764
2277205
92909944
 
That’s the best you can come up with? Don’t open your mouth next time then🤣🤣🤣

oh you still haven’t answered my simple question, figures
0/10 ragebait bro, if something is real then it's their actual form as the fake one would be their avatar. It is as simple as this and you can't comprehend it, ragebait somewhere

You have to be the most illiterate person I've met if you're not ragebaiting as of now, you're just crazily delusional when everyone knows you're the one talking nonsense loooooooollllllllllllllll.......

I’m not even going to address your first point, filled with nonsense assumptions about a situation we don’t have the full details about. Honestly pathetic attempt.

Yeah, you use headcanon while accusing others of using headcanon, are you being for real?
take a look at the mirror cause there's no way
 
0/10 ragebait bro, if something is real then it's their actual form as the fake one would be their avatar. It is as simple as this and you can't comprehend it, ragebait somewhere
Wrong. Nanooks avatar is real and doesn’t contradict it not being its true form. 0/10 ragebait go back to school you illiterate
You have to be the most illiterate person I've met if you're not ragebaiting as of now, you're just crazily delusional when everyone knows you're the one talking nonsense loooooooollllllllllllllll.......


take a look at the mirror cause there's no way
Lmao your little tirade about luocha and tazzy is irrelevant to my actual claim. It’s clear you’re too stupid to stay on topic. just say you’re illiterate and move on. Unless you want to expose your stupidity further be my guest.
 
Wrong. Nanooks avatar is real and doesn’t contradict it not being its true form. 0/10 ragebait go back to school you illiterate
The emphasis on them all calling Nanook as REAL meant it's the actual one, not their avatar/projection, this is the most basic stuff unless you're THAT illiterate to think it isn't, do you think that much emphasis were needed cause you think it's Aha?
Lmao your little tirade about luocha and tazzy is irrelevant to my actual claim. It’s clear you’re too stupid to stay on topic. just say you’re illiterate and move on. Unless you want to expose your stupidity further be my guest.
"Irrelevant" and the actual claim was to dismiss the entire Swarm Disaster stuff altogether apparently because it's not all of them like WE'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER SWARM DISASTER EXPANSION, you're dumb as hell if you really can't think this through. Luocha having a fragment of Tayzzyronth in his coffin confirmed that whatever was simulated in the Simulated Universe there is real: In which, Qlipoth diluted Tayzzyronth of its concept and sealed it in an amber prison as confirmed by Fu Xuan later on in which you claimed all this is headcanon. Like YOU'RE the one talking nonsense and sprouting stuff that doesn't even exist in-game because it only EXISTED in your headcanon, ragebait more
 
If you're stupid, go back to Reddit, we don't need someone like you here explaining your stupidity for the fifth time or so like we already knew bro what do you mean, you genuinely don't have to repeat them over and over again 💔💔💔
 
If you're stupid, go back to Reddit, we don't need someone like you here explaining your stupidity for the fifth time or so like we already knew bro what do you mean, you genuinely don't have to repeat them over and over again 💔💔💔
Another irrelevant tirade of yours. It’s funny you get your grammar from tiktok but whatever lmao. Anything else to rant about illiterate?
 
The emphasis on them all calling Nanook as REAL meant it's the actual one, not their avatar/projection, this is the most basic stuff unless you're THAT illiterate to think it isn't, do you think that much emphasis were needed cause you think it's Aha?
Nope. Real doesn’t equal the true higher dimensional form SU was talking about. Nanooks avatar is very real, you think it’s fake or something? Try again illiterate and get it right next time
"Beneath the Aeons: The Low-Dimensional World As A Will and A Surface Phenomenon talks about us living in a low-dimensional world, and the Aeons we sense are simply projections from a higher dimension."
"Irrelevant" and the actual claim was to dismiss the entire Swarm Disaster stuff altogether apparently because it's not all of them like WE'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER SWARM DISASTER EXPANSION, you're dumb as hell if you really can't think this through. Luocha having a fragment of Tayzzyronth in his coffin confirmed that whatever was simulated in the Simulated Universe there is real: In which, Qlipoth diluted Tayzzyronth of its concept and sealed it in an amber prison as confirmed by Fu Xuan later on in which you claimed all this is headcanon. Like YOU'RE the one talking nonsense and sprouting stuff that doesn't even exist in-game because it only EXISTED in your headcanon, ragebait more
This is irrelevant hope this helps you dunce ☺️

Lmao ranting about plot points that aren’t fully uncovered. You are literally illiterate 🤣
 
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Nope. Real doesn’t equal the true higher dimensional form SU was talking about. Nanooks avatar is very real, you think it’s fake or something? Try again illiterate and get it right next time
"Beneath the Aeons: The Low-Dimensional World As A Will and A Surface Phenomenon talks about us living in a low-dimensional world, and the Aeons we sense are simply projections from a higher dimension."

This is irrelevant hope this helps you dunce ☺️

Lmao ranting about plot points that aren’t fully uncovered. You are literally illiterate 🤣
0/10 ragebait
 
0/10 ragebait
“Mare: Beneath the Aeons: The Low-Dimensional World As A Will and A Surface Phenomenon talks about us living in a low-dimensional world, and the Aeons we sense are simply projections from a higher dimension.”

Key word is “sense” you moron. Mortals cannot perceive THEIR true form at all. The nanook phainon hurt is an avatar projected from its higher self. This applies to the swarm disaster. Anything mortals could perceive is their projections

Gg illiterate, don’t embarrass yourself with your lack of basic comprehension.
 
“Mare: Beneath the Aeons: The Low-Dimensional World As A Will and A Surface Phenomenon talks about us living in a low-dimensional world, and the Aeons we sense are simply projections from a higher dimension.”

Key word is “sense” you moron. Mortals cannot perceive THEIR true form at all. The nanook phainon hurt is an avatar projected from its higher self. This applies to the swarm disaster. Anything mortals could perceive is their projections

Gg illiterate, don’t embarrass yourself with your lack of basic comprehension.
The Herta, Hoyolab, Zandar and Dan Heng themselves saying it's the real Nanook in this occasion when Mare comes in (Secretly the 0th Genius Society member) Woohoo let's believe what Mare said even though it's completely unrelated to Phainon vs Nanook one as there are multiple figures that actually KNEW shit about them are just dumbasses in front of the 0th Genius Society member!! WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Key word is “sense” you moron. Mortals cannot perceive THEIR true form at all. The nanook phainon hurt is an avatar projected from its higher self. This applies to the swarm disaster. Anything mortals could perceive is their projections
Furthermore, if you understand Zandar's cave allegory, you can find a cosmological meaning in it where he clearly states that the Aeons are just someone else's "projections on the wall."
The emphasis on them all calling Nanook as REAL meant it's the actual one, not their avatar/projection
This is THEIR avatar, there is no confirmation from Zandar in 3.6 that this was the higher dimensional entity
He just says "Phainon hurt Nanook"
And I'll reiterate what I said in a post that was ignored, Herta never said Nanook was real, this is a VA addition that is NOT faithful to the 2 CN versions of the game.
 
Furthermore, if you understand Zandar's cave allegory, you can find a cosmological meaning in it where he clearly states that the Aeons are just someone else's "projections on the wall."
He was talking about Nous being his own projections since Nous is practically his perfect self, this is different from the Khaslana vs Nanook one, come on
This is THEIR avatar, there is no confirmation from Zandar in 3.6 that this was the higher dimensional entity
He just says "Phainon hurt Nanook"
And I'll reiterate what I said in a post that was ignored, Herta never said Nanook was real, this is a VA addition that is NOT faithful to the 2 CN versions of the game.
Dan Heng reiterated after by saying things like "the real Nanook?" similar to Herta in 3.5, it's this easy lol
 
Oh wow there is some heated arguments here, mine question is fully diffirent though
shouldnt Acheron also resist abilities of blackhole? Because IX and its shadows are ones?
 
Oh wow there is some heated arguments here, mine question is fully diffirent though
shouldnt Acheron also resist abilities of blackhole? Because IX and its shadows are ones?
if she doesnt have ones then yea she should (horizon od existence literally has a blackhole inside itself)
 
if she doesnt have ones then yea she should (horizon od existence literally has a blackhole inside itself)
Her story says her world and with it herself fell into a shadow IX, and if im not mistaken horizon of existence should be inside a blackhole on itself since its a shadow of IX.
 
The Herta, Hoyolab, Zandar and Dan Heng themselves saying it's the real Nanook in this occasion when Mare comes in (Secretly the 0th Genius Society member) Woohoo let's believe what Mare said even though it's completely unrelated to Phainon vs Nanook one as there are multiple figures that actually KNEW shit about them are just dumbasses in front of the 0th Genius Society member!! WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hate to spam quotes but whatever.
“Mare: Beneath the Aeons: The Low-Dimensional World As A Will and A Surface Phenomenon talks about us living in a low-dimensional world, and the Aeons we sense are simply projections from a higher dimension.”

I honestly I dgaf about your rationalizations to information that straight up debunks you. It’s spelt out pretty clearly. Last time i checked sight is a sense, so they only saw a projection of nanook. The projection is very much real and doesn’t contradict new information. At this point take your L, you are OBJECTIVELY incorrect
 
Yo guys, can you explain how did characters get immeasurable speed scaling? Because, for example, when I look to Trailblazer, it says they kept up with Aventurine, then when I check Aventure profile, it says he kept up with Trailblazer and their team. Looks like a paradox.
 
Yo guys, can you explain how did characters get immeasurable speed scaling? Because, for example, when I look to Trailblazer, it says they kept up with Aventurine, then when I check Aventure profile, it says he kept up with Trailblazer and their team. Looks like a paradox.
Welt.
Tho amphoreus has plenty of feats on that level which @Voidnether mentioned, but yeah i kinda dont like the speed scaling here
Ill make a verse wide revision AGAIN
then ill go NEP for a while
 
Welt.
Tho amphoreus has plenty of feats on that level which @Voidnether mentioned, but yeah i kinda dont like the speed scaling here
Ill make a verse wide revision AGAIN
then ill go NEP for a while
Welt's profile doesnt show any blatant immeasurable speed feat. Unless they use his HI 3rd feats. But is he really the character came from that game? Or alternate version of Honkai Impact Welt?
 
Yo guys, can you explain how did characters get immeasurable speed scaling? Because, for example, when I look to Trailblazer, it says they kept up with Aventurine, then when I check Aventure profile, it says he kept up with Trailblazer and their team. Looks like a paradox.
I believe the current justification comes from the world It's a huge chain scaling (which I personally disagree with)
Besides, this makes me think that the resistance to Death Manip of the TB should not exist since the context of 3.2 refutes the resistance by the fact that Trailblazer is already dead AND consequently Castorice does not kill him when she touches him
Oh wow there is some heated arguments here, mine question is fully diffirent though
shouldnt Acheron also resist abilities of blackhole? Because IX and its shadows are ones?
There are things to say indeed, and if Acheron doesn't have this resistance, well I don't know if we should give it to her but since she survived a Shadow IX engulfing Izumo...
He was talking about Nous being his own projections since Nous is practically his perfect self, this is different from the Khaslana vs Nanook one, come on
You can't claim that it's Us, since Zandar was talking about the Aeons, the Paths, and the Trailblazer Path. And that argument alone isn't enough. Only by combining it with existing information about the Aeons can you draw a conclusion about how the Aeons work, that is, with an avatar in the physical plane.
Dan Heng reiterated after by saying things like "the real Nanook?" similar to Herta in 3.5, it's this easy lol
then show this statement, because I own this Statement in 4 different languages and in none of them does Dan Heng mention that it is the real Nanook
And for the last time, Herta never quoted this, this is only the English version and it is not a faithful translation
 
Welt's profile doesnt show any blatant immeasurable speed feat. Unless they use his HI 3rd feats. But is he really the character came from that game? Or alternate version of Honkai Impact Welt?
It's the same Welt, the problem is elsewhere
 
Welt's profile doesnt show any blatant immeasurable speed feat. Unless they use his HI 3rd feats. But is he really the character came from that game? Or alternate version of Honkai Impact Welt?
Literally says this
Origin: Honkai Impact 3rd/Star rail
I believe the current justification comes from the world It's a huge chain scaling (which I personally disagree with)
Besides, this makes me think that the resistance to Death Manip of the TB should not exist since the context of 3.2 refutes the resistance by the fact that Trailblazer is already dead AND consequently Castorice does not kill him when she touches him

There are things to say indeed, and if Acheron doesn't have this resistance, well I don't know if we should give it to her but since she survived a Shadow IX engulfing Izumo...

You can't claim that it's Us, since Zandar was talking about the Aeons, the Paths, and the Trailblazer Path. And that argument alone isn't enough. Only by combining it with existing information about the Aeons can you draw a conclusion about how the Aeons work, that is, with an avatar in the physical plane.

then show this statement, because I own this Statement in 4 different languages and in none of them does Dan Heng mention that it is the real Nanook
And for the last time, Herta never quoted this, this is only the English version and it is not a faithful translation
wdym “never quoted this”
bro i cant i will end up in some mental hospitsl because i ******* see people debate ******* nanook being real or fake or whatever bullshit is abt avatar vs true form no
you guys do not deserve tier 1 nor tier 3 ratings bro when i have guys have barkoff between on screen feats being real or not and now this shit omg
Like im gonna find whoever cursed this verse (hoyoverse in general) and ******* skin him this is like the only verse where anything on screen blatant explained 500 times has people STILL pulling OUNCE of doubt like no you do not deserve anything from this fcking verse not an ounce of scaling feats statements anything just pure NOTHINGNES AHAHHAHAHAH
 
Literally says this
Origin: Honkai Impact 3rd/Star rail

wdym “never quoted this”
bro i cant i will end up in some mental hospitsl because i ******* see people debate ******* nanook being real or fake or whatever bullshit is abt avatar vs true form no
you guys do not deserve tier 1 nor tier 3 ratings bro when i have guys have barkoff between on screen feats being real or not and now this shit omg
Like im gonna find whoever cursed this verse (hoyoverse in general) and ******* skin him this is like the only verse where anything on screen blatant explained 500 times has people STILL pulling OUNCE of doubt like no you do not deserve anything from this fcking verse not an ounce of scaling feats statements anything just pure NOTHINGNES AHAHHAHAHAH
You're right. Its like People calling phainon's Nanook feat not real because its "in a simulation" which led to my joke of Phainon's total power of 0.5miliwatts.

Jokes aside while many of the thing are clearly explained 10 times in the lore and the game...some of the shit are still left off. Like there is no resistance for many characters...imagine being emanator and dying to a nuke because "they dont have the resistance for the heat its more than a star and radiation" etc. Like imagine Acheron being taken out by real world weapons.
 
You're right. Its like People calling phainon's Nanook feat not real because its "in a simulation" which led to my joke of Phainon's total power of 0.5miliwatts.

Jokes aside while many of the thing are clearly explained 10 times in the lore and the game...some of the shit are still left off. Like there is no resistance for many characters...imagine being emanator and dying to a nuke because "they dont have the resistance for the heat its more than a star and radiation" etc. Like imagine Acheron being taken out by real world weapons.
When i used this against sirin being nuke victim (literally died to them by being ******* base form beaten up coreless while being held in cecilias arms cried to that scene)
they went like vro if she had that much dura shed be able to withstand that heat!! (ignore how in fiction even universal mfs can die to flame based attacks)
Tho if u have resistances to add on acherons profile feel free to make a crt for it since im sure its gonna pass
 
@Voidnether and @PedjaTarzan, you two guys better stop arguing with these guys that you having a heated argument, their arguments and skepticism are on the same level as the people on Reddit and Spacebattles Forum, they are questioning entire game modes that were created to explain the most important events of game's lore and even on-screen feats, lol, It's useless to argue with these guys, they'll question everything but they'll never give any solution to solve the supposed "problem" of the current scaling
 
@Voidnether and @PedjaTarzan, you two guys better stop arguing with these guys that you having a heated argument, their arguments and skepticism are on the same level as the people on Reddit and Spacebattles Forum, they are questioning even on-screen feats, lol
Nah i get Zefkiel point as well as Nether one
bcs yes we literally know Real Aeon is there when they cast a Gaze at a place (literally reason why Nanook was ragebaiting phainon from a higher dimension) i just dont get the point of debating wether did Phainon hurt Nanooks Avatar or True self even tho its literally said that their true self embodies the path they are Aeon of and what we see is their Avatar/Projection
and honestly i dont care if it was Avatar or True self
Feat WILL scale to 1-B due to the simple fact
GAME, HOYOLAB, ZANDAR all confirmed nanook in question was NANOOK THEMSELVES there so theres that
as blatant as possible
 
Nah i get Zefkiel point as well as Nether one
bcs yes we literally know Real Aeon is there when they cast a Gaze at a place (literally reason why Nanook was ragebaiting phainon from a higher dimension) i just dont get the point of debating wether did Phainon hurt Nanooks Avatar or True self even tho its literally said that their true self embodies the path they are Aeon of and what we see is their Avatar/Projection
and honestly i dont care if it was Avatar or True self
Feat WILL scale to 1-B due to the simple fact
GAME, HOYOLAB, ZANDAR all confirmed nanook in question was NANOOK THEMSELVES there so theres that
as blatant as possible
it also goes with how Fuli shed their physical form, IX is literally nonexistent and HooH is also apparently formless according to SU
and Terminus as aeon always exists in the past and rised at the end of the universe (when paths drive universe towards finality) im literally more than sure that Aeons as beings have them at metaphysical level of existence beyond reality and how it goes well with them
percieving the latter as literal low dimensional game
 
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