Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Oh actually I wanna ask, but do you think the mind control that was placed on him is completely broken during Clayman's Revenge?

Clayman was put under mind control after he visited the Eastern Empire, by which time he had already formed a partnership with Yuki. Clayman's revenge took place much earlier (about 70 years ago, 60 according to Chapter 39), so he currently isn’t under mind control.

 

[Violatas]

Clayman was put under mind control after he visited the Eastern Empire, by which time he had already formed a partnership with Yuki. Clayman's revenge took place much earlier (about 70 years ago, 60 according to Chapter 39), so he currently isn’t under mind control.

Ohhh I was getting the timeframe of events mixed then. Thanks for clarifying

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Maybe this guy will turn into a villain.

It was me all along, Dio Fuse!

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Since the pending translations are taking wayyy too long, let's do a side quest, shall we? ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

TenSura Revision (LN) — Veldanava returns from buying Milk

Introduction Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. Since the pending translations for the staff thread is taking too long, let's get another small upgrade done with since it's unrelated to tiering and is just hax. Note that I've included Slimereader version for all the scans that had a...

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[Napoleonic01]

Since the pending translations are taking wayyy too long, let's do a side quest, shall we? ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

TenSura Revision (LN) — Veldanava returns from buying Milk

Introduction Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. Since the pending translations for the staff thread is taking too long, let's get another small upgrade done with since it's unrelated to tiering and is just hax. Note that I've included Slimereader version for all the scans that had a...

vsbattles.com

Yayyyyyyyyyyyy was waiting on yah

 

[Ultimuru]

Since the pending translations are taking wayyy too long, let's do a side quest, shall we? ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

TenSura Revision (LN) — Veldanava returns from buying Milk

Introduction Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. Since the pending translations for the staff thread is taking too long, let's get another small upgrade done with since it's unrelated to tiering and is just hax. Note that I've included Slimereader version for all the scans that had a...

vsbattles.com

You finally found right NPC and started goated side quest. Hope soon we will go with the main storyline tho.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I found this Rimuru mod for Sparking Zero and it is so polished and everything!


Can confirm he is fun to play with in game!

 

[K'rimuru]

I found this Rimuru mod for Sparking Zero and it is so polished and everything!


Can confirm he is fun to play with in game!

Beelzebub's skills are overpowered, but the regeneration costs too much in stamina points (I think that's it).

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Beelzebub's skills are overpowered, but the regeneration costs too much in stamina points (I think that's it).

Tbf having Regen at all is busted since to get that much is just punching and grabbing people as well as just deflecting blasts.

 

[Mizuki67]

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Yall can join if you are interested. We chill and talk about random stuff here like Tensura

 

[LadyVeldanava]

Gobta (LN) Vs Monkey D. Luffy (emperor)

Hello, this is my first time posting a topic. If I make any mistakes, please forgive me. Let's get started. This battle between Gobta and Luffy will be testing each other's Hax and abilities. We should know the outcome of the speed test now. Let's start... Gobta LN...

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[AlexSamDen]

So I kinda was skimming through our General Concepts page and noticed a thing that I overlooked before: the darkness attribute holds authority over nonexistence. My question is: shouldn't it grant NEP NPI for magic, as it can generally interact with things GS are?

 

[K'rimuru]

So I kinda was skimming through our General Concepts page and noticed a thing that I overlooked before: the darkness attribute holds authority over nonexistence. My question is: shouldn't it grant NEP NPI for magic, as it can generally interact with things GS are?

Really ?!

 

[Mizuki67]

So I kinda was skimming through our General Concepts page and noticed a thing that I overlooked before: the darkness attribute holds authority over nonexistence. My question is: shouldn't it grant NEP NPI for magic, as it can generally interact with things GS are?

Darkness doesn't hold authority over non existence.....just destruction and some other stuff

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Darkness doesn't hold authority over non existence.....just destruction and some other stuff

Nuh

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So I kinda was skimming through our General Concepts page and noticed a thing that I overlooked before: the darkness attribute holds authority over nonexistence. My question is: shouldn't it grant NEP NPI for magic, as it can generally interact with things GS are?

Technically Underworld and everything in it is a world of nothingness (NEP) yet Demons use magic to fight other demons, so true.

We see Carrera using Magic against Diablo in the underworld in one of the recent manga chapters. We also saw an example where Dagruel used an equal amount of magicules to nullify the same "amount" of nothingness/nihility/void of the underworld.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Darkness doesn't hold authority over non existence.....just destruction and some other stuff

Might I remind you of this:

He arose a long time ago, far back in the ages, before the creation of the world. His birth was a mere coincidence. Veldanava, the creator god, created the seven seraphim from the Great Spirit of Light, and the shadows were born. Those were the Seven Primordials—devil lords derived from the Great Spirit of Darkness.

He was the first of them, and he was the king who ruled the underworld, the world of darkness. Since his birth, his power had been absolute, the embodiment of darkness. An arrogant king who could control the demons at will. From his perspective, even his seven separate brothers and sisters of darkness were no more than like those of his many family members (dependents).
Slimereader

So then, the culprit would be Ultima, who appeared to be good friends with the immortal Adalmann and his comrades. That was the correct answer, but Dagruel wouldn’t be happy to know that. Now was not the time to be looking for the culprit. Fortunately, Dagruel could deal with this magic. With a bitter look on his face, Dagruel raised his hands to the sky. Then he released his power. The attack characteristic of nihility magic was the annihilation of existence through negative energy. If that was the case, it meant that the damage could be forced to zero if the positive energy became saturated. Dagruel was a giant that could be called a mass of energy. Even if it was a ‘Nihilistic Parade’ with all of Gadra’s energy, it was no problem for him to offset it.
Slimereader

Volume 22 (GPT rough translation):

In Hell, life cannot exist. Even “souls” are extinguished and transformed into energy—it is true Void.
The only ones able to endure this Hell are higher-order spiritual lifeforms…
And the Abyss of Hell was a domain where even such higher beings could not survive.
Testarossa’s [White Pure World] [Nihilistic World] is able to summon forth that Abyss into the present world.

The [King of Vice] [Angra Mainyu] boasts the power [Eternal Recurrence], which exerts a terrifying effect: all beings within its effective range are trapped in a pseudo-Hell, forced to see nightmares for all eternity until the world itself perishes.

Those who are imprisoned are not permitted release; they must await the end of the world. And the voices of their anguish and resentment only further nurture the growth of the [King of Vice] [Angra Mainyu].

Once targeted by this, there is no means of escape. Even a “Primordial Demon” accustomed to Hell would be forced to repeat the nightmare of perishing and regenerating over and over.

 

[AlexSamDen]

@Astral_Trinity439 I may or may not have forgotten which arguments have already been made in that downgrade thread and which haven't, but I kinda looked through the Fuse interview and noticed that there he says that he and Ito had a lot of trouble making timelines and the timeline work. Can this be an argument?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

@Astral_Trinity439 I may or may not have forgotten which arguments have already been made in that downgrade thread and which haven't, but I kinda looked through the Fuse interview and noticed that there he says that he and Ito had a lot of trouble making timelines and the timeline work. Can this be an argument?

Definitely lol
Send it homie

 

[AlexSamDen]

Definitely lol
Send it homie

I only have the Russian FTL of the interview. Technically we can make it so that it's an official TL request to English, and I, as a member of the multilingual community can translate it, with the possibility of asking some other russian users to confirm. Or I can just send the raws after some search for them, or ask the person in charge of Russian Tensura TLs for them. (A reminder for y'all, that I primarily read in Russian)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I only have the Russian FTL of the interview. Technically we can make it so that it's an official TL request to English, and I, as a member of the multilingual community can translate it, with the possibility of asking some other russian users to confirm. Or I can just send the raws after some search for them, or ask the person in charge of Russian Tensura TLs for them. (A reminder for y'all, that I primarily read in Russian)

You can send the Russian one. Rn we're only gonna confirm it in general discussion so a quick gpt is also fine.

And if possible, yeah, send the raws as well

 

[AlexSamDen]

So this is from Tensura X

You can send the Russian one.

Here you go

Фьюз: Больше всего пришлось ломать голову над таймлайном в 11-м томе.

Ито: Ещё с восьмого тома вы всё время спрашивали: Что же делать с 11 томом? (смеётся). Мы неоднократно обменивались схемами с временными линиями и настройками таймлайна.

This is from the same site that you read kids' version on

Rn we're only gonna confirm it in general discussion so a quick gpt is also fine.

I will be translating it, not GPT (native speaker is better than AI)

And if possible, yeah, send the raws as well

Yeah, I found them, @PrimeHydra64 sent me raws for many things some time ago

It's in the start of the whole thing

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So this is from Tensura X

Here you go

This is from the same site that you read kids' version on

I will be translating it, not GPT (native speaker is better than AI)

Yeah, I found them, @PrimeHydra64 sent me raws for many things some time ago

It's in the start of the whole thing

Hmm, I think this could also simply be referring to the flow of events of the novel itself, not as in a timeline in the cosmological sense.

Yeah, I found them, @PrimeHydra64 sent me

Pms or discord? Care to add another homie?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Hmm, I think this could also simply be referring to the flow of events of the novel itself, not as in a timeline in the cosmological sense.

Nope

Ито: Ещё с восьмого тома вы всё время спрашивали: Что же делать с 11 томом? (смеётся). Мы неоднократно обменивались схемами с временными линиями и настройками таймлайна

Both of the things in bold translate to timeline(-s) in English, however the 2nd explicitly means timeline as in sequence of events, while the 1st means timelines as in cosmological meaning, branches of time or whatever

Pms or discord? Care to add another homie

Message wall on my fandom profile

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Nope

Both of the things in bold translate to timeline(-s) in English, however the 2nd explicitly means timeline as in sequence of events, while the 1st means timelines as in cosmological meaning, branches of time or whatever

Oh I see. That's good then, can be used as further evidence humu

Message wall on my fandom profile

Imma join, don't mind me

 

[AlexSamDen]

Imma join, don't mind me

Onedrive link, it's a onedrive link

 

[AlexSamDen]

Pms or discord? Care to add another homie?

Now that I think of it, I basically don't know any of you on discord

 

[Ultimuru]

Now that I think of it, I basically don't know any of you on discord

It's because to get Astral's discord you need to buy VSBW premium.

 

[Mizuki67]

Might I remind you of this:


Volume 22 (GPT rough translation):

What does this prove?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

What does this prove?

-_-
At this point you might not even be reading anything what others send. It proves that world of darkness=world of nothingness, or darkness of hell = nothingness of hell.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It's because to get Astral's discord you need to buy VSBW premium.

Lmao

Now that I think of it, I basically don't know any of you on discord

I'mma send you in PMs.

 

[Mizuki67]

-_-
At this point you might not even be reading anything what others send. It proves that world of darkness=world of nothingness, or darkness of hell = nothingness of hell.

I mean, I also said it is a void not nonexistence.
Isn't the so called no existent a literal form of condensed energy

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I mean, I also said it is a void not nonexistence.

Void/Nihility is Nonexistence, the kanji is the same. Void can either mean as in empty space (which it clearly isn't, nor is the kanji indicating that) or it can mean nonexistence (which it does here)

Isn't the so called no existent a literal form of condensed energy

In that sense, existence itself, space and time, are also energy, "light" energy to be specific, as shown in V22 when Mai and Yuuki observed worlds. Underworld on the other hand is the opposite of that, a "darkness" energy that has a negative existence value and cancels out existence upon contact.

Energy isn't always referring to physical energy, conceptual and metaphysical energies are common in fiction.

 

[AlexSamDen]

In that sense, existence itself, space and time, are also energy, "light" energy to be specific, as shown in V22 when Mai and Yuuki observed worlds. .

One correction: we don't have GS of Time having Nonduality for no reason

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

One correction: we don't have GS of Time having Nonduality for no reason

Attribute of time to be specific, since GS are just the greatest energy masses that spirits separate from.

But anyways, regardless of what we call it, I think Attribute of time in that sense strictly refers to the supreme law that governs all existence, rather than flow inside a single world. There are different forms and levels of time after all. Even the underworld has its own concept of time and space, just that it's of a different nature.

 

[Mizuki67]

Void/Nihility is Nonexistence, the kanji is the same. Void can either mean as in empty space (which it clearly isn't, nor is the kanji indicating that) or it can mean nonexistence (which it does here)

In that sense, existence itself, space and time, are also energy, "light" energy to be specific, as shown in V22 when Mai and Yuuki observed worlds. Underworld on the other hand is the opposite of that, a "darkness" energy that has a negative existence value and cancels out existence upon contact.

Energy isn't always referring to physical energy, conceptual and metaphysical energies are common in fiction.

Energy means it have shape or form
Metaphysical or not, it does have a form
Darkness in physical reality is pretty much intangible but it has form

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Energy means it have shape or form
Metaphysical or not, it does have a form
Darkness in physical reality is pretty much intangible but it has form

I think you're confusing vsbw non-existence with the more literal philosophical version, which is pretty much impossible to prove in fiction since it's a logical impossibility.

The wiki page clarifies that:

Void Manipulation, also known as Nothingness Manipulation is the ability to control and manipulate a void: nothingness or non-existence.

Manipulation of Nothingness: The primary use of this ability, one's control over a 'nonexistent substance'. Naturally this may allow them to be resistant to the effects of existence erasure, as often interacting with a Void also causes one to be converted into a Void, although this may not always be the case.

Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.' While true nonexistence in the philosophical sense is impossible to prove, lesser forms of the idea appear often in fiction.

Taken from here and here.

 

[Mizuki67]

I think you're confusing vsbw non-existence with the more literal philosophical version, which is pretty much impossible to prove in ficti since it's a logical impossibility.

The wiki page clarifies that:



Taken from here and here.

Ahhh
I am so behind in this lol, okay I agree if this is what VSBW classify it as

 

[Blaze167]

Hello everyone, I changed my name from Trigger to This to match my fandom profile.
Also, does anyone know what happened to my brother @Jozaysmith?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Hello everyone, I changed my name from Trigger to This to match my fandom profile.
Also, does anyone know what happened to my brother @Jozaysmith?

Perma Banned iirc, from adding stuff to profiles without crt.