Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Voidnether]

Any way, can we somehow get a higher level in 3-B via Phainon destroying Amphoreus along with its space-time, which holds 33,550,336 cycles? But how big is each cycle? That's my question

Tbf Amphoreus is a simulated observable universe so we probably could get this into Low 2-C atleast

 

[Ayato256]

I was thinking about making a Civilization profile for The Swarm just like the Tyranids have one, but I realized that with the exception of Tayzzyronth, Emanators of Propagation and Giant Stings, we don't know how strong the other bugs are

I don't know what to think, but most insects that aren't Giant Stings are pretty weak anyway.

 

[Ayato256]

You guys really don't miss an opportunity to poke fun at Genshin Impact

It wasn't really a mockery, I like Genshin but I have to admit that some situations and/or decisions in this game are more laughable than complaining, so I prefer to laugh about it.

Any way, can we somehow get a higher level in 3-B via Phainon destroying Amphoreus along with its space-time, which holds 33,550,336 cycles? But how big is each cycle? That's my question

A cycle would be 3-A in Spatial size
on the other hand Phainon did not do that, or maybe I am blind and I did not see this feat in his confrontation against the Black Tide

Tbf Amphoreus is a simulated observable universe so we probably could get this into Low 2-C atleast

If ever the space-time frame is affected it will probably be 2-C

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Any way, can we somehow get a higher level in 3-B via Phainon destroying Amphoreus along with its space-time, which holds 33,550,336 cycles? But how big is each cycle? That's my question

assuming each cycle means phainon is destroying enitre world of amphoreus which is just universe accoridng to lygus then destroying amhporeus alongside thise 33 million cycles is 2-B

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It wasn't really a mockery, I like Genshin but I have to admit that some situations and/or decisions in this game are more laughable than complaining, so I prefer to laugh about it.

A cycle would be 3-A in Spatial size
on the other hand Phainon did not do that, or maybe I am blind and I did not see this feat in his confrontation against the Black Tide

If ever the space-time frame is affected it will probably be 2-C

whens the crt

 

[Ayato256]

assuming each cycle means phainon is destroying enitre world of amphoreus which is just universe accoridng to lygus then destroying amhporeus alongside thise 33 million cycles is 2-B

Do you have the moment when the old cycles are destroyed?

whens the crt

I don't know, I'm just answering a question.

 

[Viery]

I was thinking about making a Civilization profile for The Swarm just like the Tyranids have one, but I realized that with the exception of Tayzzyronth, Emanators of Propagation and Giant Stings, we don't know how strong the other bugs are

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Lord Ravager Zulo get killed by the Remnant of the Swarm?

 

[Ayato256]

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Lord Ravager Zulo get killed by the Remnant of the Swarm?

partly it was the Galaxy Rangers assassination plan, the Swarm attacked Zulo's fleet but it is not mentioned that he was killed by the Swarm
Either way, it's the Galaxy Rangers who are noted as the assassins

 

[Viery]

partly it was the Galaxy Rangers assassination plan, the Swarm attacked Zulo's fleet but it is not mentioned that he was killed by the Swarm
Either way, it's the Galaxy Rangers who are noted as the assassins

"It was at this crucial moment that the heroes of the Galaxy Rangers took up arms, shattering Zulo's grand dream of destruction and forcing him to his death in the Swarm!
There were countless survivors of the Swarm Author's ranks, armed with mouths that swallowed the sky and teeth that tore through the earth, but without any sentient intelligence. The Galaxy Rangers drove out these insects and beasts, and herded them to attack the fleet of the Lord Ravager.

What an elaborate method — using the tiger to hunt the wolf! Or you could say, the moth flew straight into the flame!"

Galaxy Ranger never mentioned the one who killed Zulo

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Lord Ravager Zulo get killed by the Remnant of the Swarm?

The Swarm's page could be something similar to The Stone Army's, they are pretty weak individually, but should get a key while in large enough groups, even though the Swarm is far from its peak due to Tayzzyronth being defeated and sealed for thousands of years and even without Emanators of Propagation and Giant Stings, the remnants while together were strong enough to be capable of killing an Emanator of Destruction

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Do you have the moment when the old cycles are destroyed?.

its just the assumption i made, the only possible things abt cycles is ohainon bearing the coreflames of previous cycles and scepter having all the cycles recorded

 

[Ayato256]

its just the assumption i made, the only possible things abt cycles is ohainon bearing the coreflames of previous cycles and scepter having all the cycles recorded

Some data was lost, but currently it is this, it was carrying the 402604032 Coreflames

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I created an CRT that should have been made a long time ago

 

[Voidnether]

It's been a year since the last 4 star character was released..

 

[Ayato256]

It's been a year since the last 4 star character was released..

I hope the next planet gives us at least a 4★

 

[Ayato256]

Nous shouldn't he get probability manipulation from Polka or will this be included in the verse's passive probability manipulation?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Be honest, what do you think of the current scaling and chain scaling of HSR and HI3 as well as the cross scaling between the games? The only thing that really bothers me is the Immeasurable speed, but other than that, I don't have much to complain about.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Be honest, what do you think of the current scaling and chain scaling of HSR and HI3 as well as the cross scaling between the games? The only thing that really bothers me is the Immeasurable speed, but other than that, I don't have much to complain about.

well idk if that passed but wveryone having extraordinary genius int was lowkey insane, also how did we got uni ls for non emanators jf it was from aventurine then idk if we can split LS and Speed value by 10 if context was abt power of emanator and not stats
For hi3…well honestly i dont know

 

[Voidnether]

Be honest, what do you think of the current scaling and chain scaling of HSR and HI3 as well as the cross scaling between the games? The only thing that really bothers me is the Immeasurable speed, but other than that, I don't have much to complain about.

I mean Lygus in itself, Flame Reaver and whatever the heck Evernight is capable of are all Immeasurable feat tbh so it wouldn't even matter if like we removed the Sirin scaling and just make it more strict but if there's one thing I really wanted to complain: The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

i mean if ur not Wendy or PE herrscher your bound to scale to late Penacony TB which is locked into cornerstone level thanks to beating sunday
(they could lowkey be downscaling 5x emanator level but robin decided to amp them too lol)
and belobog yea our first enemy was literal planet destroyer and then we went to post industrial planet with strongest enemy being able to feeeze entire planet via stellaron

 

[Ayato256]

Be honest, what do you think of the current scaling and chain scaling of HSR and HI3 as well as the cross scaling between the games? The only thing that really bothers me is the Immeasurable speed, but other than that, I don't have much to complain about.

For Hi3, I don't know at all
I'm following you on imea speed
Regarding cross-scaling, I'm pretty sure I found something I complained about, but I don't remember where...
Maybe somewhere in the haxs

well idk if that passed but wveryone having extraordinary genius int was lowkey insane, also how did we got uni ls for non emanators jf it was from aventurine then idk if we can split LS and Speed value by 10 if context was abt power of emanator and not stats
For hi3…well honestly i dont know

What does LS mean?

I mean Lygus in itself, Flame Reaver and whatever the heck Evernight is capable of are all Immeasurable feat tbh so it wouldn't even matter if like we removed the Sirin scaling and just make it more strict but if there's one thing I really wanted to complain: The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

For Evernight idk, Flame Reaver I think I know where it is, but when did Lycurgus show an imea feat?
Belobog is currently obsolete if you ask me, especially Svarog 4-C

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I mean Lygus in itself, Flame Reaver and whatever the heck Evernight is capable of are all Immeasurable feat tbh so it wouldn't even matter if like we removed the Sirin scaling and just make it more strict but if there's one thing I really wanted to complain: The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

Wait, what are the Immeasurable speed feats that Lygus, Flame Reaver and Evernight performed? Now I'm curious, as this can help keep the Immeasurable speed rating consistent.

Belobog is currently obsolete if you ask me, especially Svarog 4-C

The current 4-C scaling of Herta Space Station and Jarilo-VI is because of Dan Heng fodderizing Star-Eating Monsters before the main events of the game, and pretty much every relevant character or bosses such as Doomsday Beast, Cocolia, Bronya, Gepard and others can contend or keep up with Dan Heng, March and Trailblazer, as well as put a hard fight against the trio

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Wait, what are the Immeasurable speed feats that Lygus, Flame Reaver and Evernight performed? Now I'm curious, as this can help keep the Immeasurable speed rating consistent.

The current 4-C scaling of Herta Space Station and Jarilo-VI is because of Dan Heng fodderizing Star-Eating Monsters before the main events of the game, and pretty much every relevant character or boss such as Doomsday Beast, Cocolia, Bronya, Gepard and others can contend with Dan Heng, March and Trailblazer, as well as put a hard fight against the trio

Btw firefly did nuke a star

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Btw firefly did nuke a star

Can you give me scans of Firefly doing that please? Since it could be helpful for her Range and AP

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can you give me scans of Firefly doing that please? Since it could be helpful for her Range and AP

 

[Ayato256]

Wait, what are the Immeasurable speed feats that Lygus, Flame Reaver and Evernight performed? Now I'm curious, as this can help keep the Immeasurable speed rating consistent.

The current 4-C scaling of Herta Space Station and Jarilo-VI is because of Dan Heng fodderizing Star-Eating Monsters before the main events of the game, and pretty much every relevant character or bosses such as Doomsday Beast, Cocolia, Bronya, Gepard and others can contend or keep up with Dan Heng, March and Trailblazer, as well as put a hard fight against the trio

The Doomsday Beast is already 4-C by itself, I'm only talking about Belobog and I really don't see Gepard, Bronya and Svarog reaching that level

Can you give me scans of Firefly doing that please? Since it could be helpful for her Range and AP

the last drinking event, when Kafka spoke of a polar planet in that moment

 

[Executor_N0]

I mean Lygus in itself, Flame Reaver and whatever the heck Evernight is capable of are all Immeasurable feat tbh so it wouldn't even matter if like we removed the Sirin scaling and just make it more strict but if there's one thing I really wanted to complain: The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

In case of need, there are ways of having immeasurable speed and not scaling to the characters; it depends on how the immeasurable speed is reached.

That is, if a character only reaches immeasurable speed in a specific state (Like by moving outside linear time), it's possible to separate its speed as "inside time" and "outside time". It's based on one of the many hypotheses of eternal nature, one in which it doesn't extend to linear time, but exists as its own thing, separate from it (Personally, I think the way Lygus was defeated as a clear exploration of that idea, it clearly exists outside of Amphoreus' cycles, but needs to descend to its level to interact with it outside of restarting time).

 

[Ayato256]

I mean Lygus in itself, Flame Reaver and whatever the heck Evernight is capable of are all Immeasurable feat tbh so it wouldn't even matter if like we removed the Sirin scaling and just make it more strict but if there's one thing I really wanted to complain: The state of Low Tier Herrschers & Belobog just being ass

In case of need, there are ways of having immeasurable speed and not scaling to the characters; it depends on how the immeasurable speed is reached.

That is, if a character only reaches immeasurable speed in a specific state (Like by moving outside linear time), it's possible to separate its speed as "inside time" and "outside time". It's based on one of the many hypotheses of eternal nature, one in which it doesn't extend to linear time, but exists as its own thing, separate from it (Personally, I think the way Lygus was defeated as a clear exploration of that idea, it clearly exists outside of Amphoreus' cycles, but needs to descend to its level to interact with it outside of restarting time).

What are you planning to do? I have trouble understanding what you mean

 

[Executor_N0]

What are you planning to do? I have trouble understanding what you mean

I'm not planning anything; it's just a suggestion on how you can both have immeasurable speed and not have it at the same time, so you can keep the immeasurable feats while not having to scale to characters who clearly are not portrayed as that.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

new nonduality
immeasurable and non immeasurable

 

[Voidnether]

In case of need, there are ways of having immeasurable speed and not scaling to the characters; it depends on how the immeasurable speed is reached.

That is, if a character only reaches immeasurable speed in a specific state (Like by moving outside linear time), it's possible to separate its speed as "inside time" and "outside time". It's based on one of the many hypotheses of eternal nature, one in which it doesn't extend to linear time, but exists as its own thing, separate from it (Personally, I think the way Lygus was defeated as a clear exploration of that idea, it clearly exists outside of Amphoreus' cycles, but needs to descend to its level to interact with it outside of restarting time).

Tbh, it's more of like what The Herta said about Lygus's Inspiration Circuit being able to process two linear time simultaneously with Amphoreus time being infinitesimal compared to the real world (Since Amphoreus is a space-time continuum stated by Phainon, in which the real world is also one). That's where I kinda get the Immeasurable from, other than his existence that transcends Amphoreus's cycles but somehow bro was clueless about Evernight/Cyrene putting Kephale's Coreflame in the river of time from the past to the future and Flame Reaver is just capable of fighting Phainon in the river of time (Early 3.3 statements on Grove)

Oh yeah, Zandar's Thought Fragment were stated to exist across all time in the 3.6 relic

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Oh yeah, Zandar's Thought Fragment were stated to exist across all time in the 3.6 relic

bcs its apparently put into nous

 

[Ayato256]

I'm not planning anything; it's just a suggestion on how you can both have immeasurable speed and not have it at the same time, so you can keep the immeasurable feats while not having to scale to characters who clearly are not portrayed as that.

Oh I see, that's honestly my preferred solution

new nonduality
immeasurable and non immeasurable

Well, Hooh is happy to maintain this balance, or Mythus is somewhere around here

Tbh, it's more of like what The Herta said about Lygus's Inspiration Circuit being able to process two linear time simultaneously with Amphoreus time being infinitesimal compared to the real world (Since Amphoreus is a space-time continuum stated by Phainon, in which the real world is also one). That's where I kinda get the Immeasurable from, other than his existence that transcends Amphoreus's cycles but somehow bro was clueless about Evernight/Cyrene putting Kephale's Coreflame in the river of time from the past to the future and Flame Reaver is just capable of fighting Phainon in the river of time (Early 3.3 statements on Grove)

Oh yeah, Zandar's Thought Fragment were stated to exist across all time in the 3.6 relic

Well, if it's worded correctly I guess it can be good...

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Oh I see, that's honestly my preferred solution

Well, Hooh is happy to maintain this balance, or Mythus is somewhere around here...

HooH making verse outer and not outer is next level

 

[Ayato256]

HooH making verse outer and not outer is next level

I'm sure if he were offered it he would split the universe into an outer half and a non-outer half.

 

[Hsharpe]

I'm sure if he were offered it he would split the universe into an outer half and a non-outer half.

Equilibrium core

 

[PedjaTarzan]

hes keepig mid (hi3 hsr gi) from outer and letting peak (zenless) be outer

 

[Hsharpe]

In regards to Phainon's age...

The 33,550,336th cycle ended on the Light Calendar Year 4932, and since one year in the Light Calendar has twelve months just like our normal calendar, and assuming each of the previous cycles had the same amount of years, this would mean Phainon's maximum age would be 165,470,257,152 years old.

 

[Ezalipaz]

Technically, yes, but in the later cycle, past Phainon was killed by the current Phainon to pass the flame and memory, so at best, it would be a few thousand years for most versions of Phainon, with the first Phainon being the oldest of them all. Also, Phainon was born near the end of Amphoreus, which means Phainon should be younger than that as well, even if we add all versions of Phainon's age together

 

[Ayato256]

I don't even know if the 1st Phainon was over 100 years old, perhaps his age should be left "unknown" for now?