All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[CelestialVortex01]

So I came across a pretty cool detail while rewatching some clips from the final episodes of the T.O.P, and it kinda blew my mind the more I thought about it. We all know the W.O.V is this absolute non-existent, no time, no space type dimension, literally just an endless void where the tournament stage floats. Well while that's true, THO after Toppo went full Hakaishin mode and started warping the W.O.V with his Hakai, it didn’t really look like “nothing” anymore.



If you look closely, once Toppo starts unleashing Hakai, the void seems to transform into something that actually resembles space itself. The nothingness suddenly shifted to something more like a starry backdrop, almost as if countless stars were scattered across it. The vibe I get is that Toppo’s Hakai wasn’t just destroying it almost looked like it triggered a kind of chain reaction, something similar to a miniature “Big Bang.” Like, his destruction of the void generated these explosions of energy that visually mirrored the birth of a universe.

While this could mean nothing on paper, I actually like how it resemebles the ''Before creation comes destruction'' statement as the destruction of the W.O.V has potentially created what seems to be a universe, pretty cool detail if you ask me , has anybody actually noticed this or was it just me? (this is what happens when you stay unemployed for too much)

Edit: switched imgur with a vid instead

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So I came across a pretty cool detail while rewatching some clips from the final episodes of the T.O.P, and it kinda blew my mind the more I thought about it. We all know the W.O.V is this absolute non-existent, no time, no space type dimension, literally just an endless void where the tournament stage floats. Well while that's true, THO after Toppo went full Hakaishin mode and started warping the W.O.V with his Hakai, it didn’t really look like “nothing” anymore.



If you look closely, once Toppo starts unleashing Hakai, the void seems to transform into something that actually resembles space itself. The nothingness suddenly shifted to something more like a starry backdrop, almost as if countless stars were scattered across it. The vibe I get is that Toppo’s Hakai wasn’t just destroying it almost looked like it triggered a kind of chain reaction, something similar to a miniature “Big Bang.” Like, his destruction of the void generated these explosions of energy that visually mirrored the birth of a universe.

While this could mean nothing on paper, I actually like how it resemebles the ''Before creation comes destruction'' statement as the destruction of the W.O.V has potentially created what seems to be a universe, pretty cool detail if you ask me , has anybody actually noticed this or was it just me? (this is what happens when you stay unemployed for too much)

Edit: switched imgur with a vid instead

I was thinking that in 2022

 

[CelestialVortex01]

I was thinking that in 2022

 

[TiltedFN]

So I came across a pretty cool detail while rewatching some clips from the final episodes of the T.O.P, and it kinda blew my mind the more I thought about it. We all know the W.O.V is this absolute non-existent, no time, no space type dimension, literally just an endless void where the tournament stage floats. Well while that's true, THO after Toppo went full Hakaishin mode and started warping the W.O.V with his Hakai, it didn’t really look like “nothing” anymore.



If you look closely, once Toppo starts unleashing Hakai, the void seems to transform into something that actually resembles space itself. The nothingness suddenly shifted to something more like a starry backdrop, almost as if countless stars were scattered across it. The vibe I get is that Toppo’s Hakai wasn’t just destroying it almost looked like it triggered a kind of chain reaction, something similar to a miniature “Big Bang.” Like, his destruction of the void generated these explosions of energy that visually mirrored the birth of a universe.

While this could mean nothing on paper, I actually like how it resemebles the ''Before creation comes destruction'' statement as the destruction of the W.O.V has potentially created what seems to be a universe, pretty cool detail if you ask me , has anybody actually noticed this or was it just me? (this is what happens when you stay unemployed for too much)

Edit: switched imgur with a vid instead

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[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hehehe

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So I came across a pretty cool detail while rewatching some clips from the final episodes of the T.O.P, and it kinda blew my mind the more I thought about it. We all know the W.O.V is this absolute non-existent, no time, no space type dimension, literally just an endless void where the tournament stage floats. Well while that's true, THO after Toppo went full Hakaishin mode and started warping the W.O.V with his Hakai, it didn’t really look like “nothing” anymore.



If you look closely, once Toppo starts unleashing Hakai, the void seems to transform into something that actually resembles space itself. The nothingness suddenly shifted to something more like a starry backdrop, almost as if countless stars were scattered across it. The vibe I get is that Toppo’s Hakai wasn’t just destroying it almost looked like it triggered a kind of chain reaction, something similar to a miniature “Big Bang.” Like, his destruction of the void generated these explosions of energy that visually mirrored the birth of a universe.

While this could mean nothing on paper, I actually like how it resemebles the ''Before creation comes destruction'' statement as the destruction of the W.O.V has potentially created what seems to be a universe, pretty cool detail if you ask me , has anybody actually noticed this or was it just me? (this is what happens when you stay unemployed for too much)

Edit: switched imgur with a vid instead

If the world of the void were still infinite, surely this feat would scale to speed as well, since you affected an infinite space-time with your attack, i love how ki increases all attributes

 

[Huesito88]

If the world of the void were still infinite, surely this feat would scale to speed as well, since you affected an infinite space-time with your attack, i love how ki increases all attributes

It could be immeasurable speed if it counts as a physical wave of energy and the world of void had enough "significant size" and added time too

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It could be immeasurable speed if it counts as a physical wave of energy and the world of void had enough "significant size" and added time too

 

[CelestialVortex01]

No.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I noticed there is no updated Scaling chain for the DBS Anime.

If that's so, I will make one, becouse I found some interesting power jumps from the end of the U6 VS U7 arc and so on.

 

[StarShooter80]

I noticed there is no updated Scaling chain for the DBS Anime.

Um

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Um

I just believe there are some details missing....

I mean in regards power jumps between arcs, it's all

 

[StarShooter80]

Does know where is that DBS Manga speed blog is that went unused?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Does know where is that DBS Manga speed blog is that went unused?

DBS Manga Speed scaling

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[StarShooter80]

Nah not that ancient one lol

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

How i wanted DB spin-offs, telling the stories of other characters, like Trunks from the future facing new threats on multiversal scales and only focusing on Trunks, or an entire Hell arc telling his origin, and a totally new villain from Hell or it could even be Janemba. I want new movies and entirely original arcs...

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I can see why they do that given the legal problems they have with DBS anime. But how DBE went out scares me

 

[KaramcaS]

How i wanted DB spin-offs, telling the stories of other characters, like Trunks from the future facing new threats on multiversal scales and only focusing on Trunks, or an entire Hell arc telling his origin, and a totally new villain from Hell or it could even be Janemba. I want new movies and entirely original arcs...

DB has so many good stories that never told. we need some spin-offs like
Gohan's highschool arc with 10 episode romcom
Frieza Empire short videos
First Saiyan Civil War (Good vs Evil)

 

[KaramcaS]

Can someone make a Toei Yamcha profile beacuse he is High 3-A Inf Speed

 

[MeiouHades]

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Could this grant Existence Erasure to all the Kais, or is it too flowery?

 

[Huesito88]

Could this grant Existence Erasure to all the Kais, or is it too flowery?

Why wouldn't it be flowery? Even if it's not, It could just be through sheer power difference rather than Hax.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Could this grant Existence Erasure to all the Kais, or is it too flowery?

Yes, the lesser forms of the Gods of Creation can erase existences.

Also, he uses the verb "消せる" (keseru), an inflection of kieuseru, which simply means "to disappear" or "to vanish"—among the most basic ways of describing a murder and, more notably, not "破壊" (hakai).

 

[MeiouHades]

Yes, the lesser forms of the Gods of Creation can erase existences.

Also, he uses the verb "消せる" (keseru), an inflection of kieuseru, which simply means "to disappear" or "to vanish"—among the most basic ways of describing a murder and, more notably, not "破壊" (hakai).

Even as a sarcastic remark, that doesn't even work. That same "god of creation" commits multiversal mass genocide later on. Not saying he's capable of EE but that was a weak argument.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Dragon Ball Wiki page for Exploding Wave technique claims the users "manipulates their ki to disrupt the planet's geomagnetic field". Anybody got any idea where this could originate?

Even as a sarcastic remark, that doesn't even work. That same "god of creation" commits multiversal mass genocide later on. Not saying he's capable of EE but that was a weak argument.

Not by using any powers inherent to the Lord of Worlds, but by simply possessing a degree of combat ability and Battle Power exceptional even amongst the Lords of Worlds.

 

[Vietthai96]

The Dragon Ball Wiki page for Exploding Wave technique claims the users "manipulates their ki to disrupt the planet's geomagnetic field". Anybody got any idea where this could originate?

Magnetism Manipulation

The ability to manipulate magnetic fields and magnetism, one half of the force of electromagnetism. While basic users of this power may only be capable of manipulating magnetic metals, as all materials are magnetic in some form and all have their own magnetic fields, more advanced users can...

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[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Magnetism Manipulation

The ability to manipulate magnetic fields and magnetism, one half of the force of electromagnetism. While basic users of this power may only be capable of manipulating magnetic metals, as all materials are magnetic in some form and all have their own magnetic fields, more advanced users can...

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Wow. Is this the end of the world?

Viet is a mod now.

Congrats my Vietnamese Bro. Now you have a free pass to wank Dragon Ball Heroes up to heavens.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Wow. Is this the end of the world?

Viet is a mod now.

Congrats my Vietnamese Bro. Now you have a free pass to wank Dragon Ball Heroes up to heavens.

 

[RedReaper616]

The Dragon Ball Wiki page for Exploding Wave technique claims the users "manipulates their ki to disrupt the planet's geomagnetic field". Anybody got any idea where this could originate?

Apparently, this comes from Episode 49 of the original DBZ Anime, where Vegeta uses it to “disrupt the geomagnetic field of planet Namek,” in his fight against Dodoria. That’s what that Wiki page claims. I’m currently checking if that page has any merit.

EDIT: I've combed over the episode in both Dub AND Sub and I have no idea what they're referring to. The only thing I can think of is them referring to the fact Vegeta makes rocks levitate when he powers up, but there is not a single spoken line that indicates this has anything to do with the geomagentism of the planet.

EDIT 2: So looking through the images of the DBZ Wiki, they showed Episode 113's moment, and looking through there there's still no actual statement anywhere. Again, best I can figure is they're referring to Vegeta's lightning attack he uses on the Frieza Force goons that travels through the ground, but there's nothing else that indicates what this page is saying.

EDIT 3: Also, this claim has existed since the very inception of this page, even prior to their claim that Vegeta performs this act. Based on this, I believe it's an erronenous assumption of how Exploding Wave works by their wiki, which then was used to explain Vegeta's zappy-zap move in the Garlic Jr. Saga, which was mistakenly written as the Namek Saga with Dodoria years ago. And it's just never been fixed since.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know, I never actually thought about it, but despite being Super Saiyan Gods, Goku and Vegeta don't actually have the spirit of a god; unlike Goku Black, which is why he exclusively can use Super Saiyan Rosé. I don't really understand how that disparity can exist.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Y'know, I never actually thought about it, but despite being Super Saiyan Gods, Goku and Vegeta don't actually have the spirit of a god; unlike Goku Black, which is why he exclusively can use Super Saiyan Rosé. I don't really understand how that disparity can exist.

Rose is due to the corrupt/evil Ki of Zamasu.

If Goku turns Evil, his ki would change, that happens in DB a lot, the color of your aura changes.

Goku would achieve Super Saiyan Rose in this case....

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Could Time-Skip qualify for Limited Causality Manipulation? By moving forward in time and attacking during skipped time, Hit effectively produces an effect (i.e., the attack) without a cause along the temporal axis; in the real world, Hit can perform attacks without even initiating an action.

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Rose is due to the corrupt/evil Ki of Zamasu.

Super Saiyan Rosé is "unachievable by normal Saiyans" and is only obtainable after "a deity surpasses Super Saiyan God", upon "the soul of a god and the body of a Saiyan […] becoming one and the same".

If Goku turns Evil, his ki would change, that happens in DB a lot, the color of your aura changes.

Majin Vegeta was an evil Super Saiyan—the "most evil warrior", in fact—but his Super Saiyan form was identical to Goku's, whose heart is pure.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

In the scene where Goku first transforms into a Super Saiyan God, he holds hands with his allies in a ring while images of a Great Ape, Planet Vegeta, Planet Earth, and the ancient Super Saiyan God flash in the background, representing how he's becoming a godly warrior that transcends the vast bounds of the universe.

The Japanese version uses the phrase "悟空がはるかなる宇宙を超えてゴッドになる", which is basically "[representing how] Goku ascends beyond the vast universe as he becomes a [Super Saiyan] God". You'd think, having "transcended the vast bounds of the universe", he'd have a truly godly spirit. Or, maybe Rosé requires the spirit of a Lord of Worlds specifically; I haven't reviewed the Interval Special in ages.

 

[KaramcaS]

Super Saiyan Blue = God Ki + Super Saiyan

Super Saiyan Rose = Kai God Ki + Super Saiyan

We know so many gods using different type of God Ki.

Dende's Guardian Ki, Angels Ki, GoD's Ki

 

[Robo432343]

@MeiouHades

 

[RedReaper616]

The Japanese version uses the phrase "悟空がはるかなる宇宙を超えてゴッドになる", which is basically "[representing how] Goku ascends beyond the vast universe as he becomes a [Super Saiyan] God". You'd think, having "transcended the vast bounds of the universe", he'd have a truly godly spirit. Or, maybe Rosé requires the spirit of a Lord of Worlds specifically; I haven't reviewed the Interval Special in ages.

Pretty sure this is it. It’s specific to the Shinjin + Saiyan combo.

 

[Vietthai96]

Rose is due to the corrupt/evil Ki of Zamasu.

If Goku turns Evil, his ki would change, that happens in DB a lot, the color of your aura changes.

Goku would achieve Super Saiyan Rose in this case....

No, Black directly stated when Vegeta turn Blue: "so this is the color of mortal who achieved god" or something like that, which indicated full-blown God =/= mortal have god ki

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

No, Black directly stated when Vegeta turn Blue: "so this is the color of mortal who achieved god" or something like that, which indicated full-blown God =/= mortal have god ki

That's what I'm saying.

SSB God ki + Evil intentions= SSJ Rose.

If Goku became evil, his SSB aura wouldn't stay as bright and Blue as it is now, it would mutate to Rose, that happened with Black.

His evil god ki in Goku's body made Goku's ssb turn Pink.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No, Black directly stated when Vegeta turn Blue: "so this is the color of mortal who achieved god" or something like that, which indicated full-blown God =/= mortal have god ki

Could you take a look at the cosmology of the verse going back to normal?

Dragon Ball shared worldview

Hello, this CRT will aim to combine the cosmologies of the multiple Dragon Ball continuities into one; a shared worldview if you will. Just to be clear, this is NOT making all the events from each continuity canon, nor the characters. For starters, this scan goes over Akira Toriyama's...

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[Nullflowerblush]

Super Saiyan Blue = God Ki + Super Saiyan

Super Saiyan Rose = Kai God Ki + Super Saiyan

Super Saiyan Blue is not, never has been, and never will be simply "God Ki plus Super Saiyan".

The Super Saiyan God is a god of the Saiyans—a divine being, possessing all of the inherent qualities of a god (e.g., God Ki, Aura of a God, etc.), born of a Saiyan—created when six righteous Saiyans combine their energies, enabling the transformation. Only gods can possess God Ki, and being a god, Super Saiyan God naturally possesses God Ki; but Super Saiyan God is not enabled through God Ki because a mortal cannot possess God Ki. Likewise, SSGSS is not simply enabled through using God Ki as a normal Super Saiyan because a normal Super Saiyan cannot use God Ki; SSGSS is "merely a powered-up version of Super Saiyan God".

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In other news, Frieza's Death Ball is supposedly "similar" to Kid Buu's Planet Burst.

Single Attack that Destroys the Earth
First Appearance: 508
Category: ki manipulation
People: Majin Buu (pure)
Special Characteristics: A technique where he levitates a gigantic spherical ki over the palm of his hand, then strikes the ground with it. Through the ki’s power, the magma within the Earth swells and explodes. This technique wiped out the Earth without leaving a trace remaining. Freeza also uses a similar technique. (Daizenshuu 2, p. 216)

The chain reaction destruction of Namek being through the expansion of magma within is surprisingly appropriate, given: (1) the yellow clouds became gray as time passed, which can be caused by the gases trapped inside of magma, and eventually surrounded the entire planet with tornadoes forming on the surface, likely due to the sheer amount of volcanic ash in the atmosphere; (2) lightning erupted from within and around the planet, which can be caused by the static electricity generated within clouds of volcanic ash; and (3) the planet began contracting as time passed—y'know, because of the magma steadily swelling underneath its surface. Earth Manipulation? Could that be calculated?