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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Kashimo is not relativistic broski
If we were to have feats and calcs accepted beyond Mach 3 (Likely in reaction/combat speed) Kashimo just wouldnt be due to having no feat that puts him around relativistic in movement.
He would be at best around MHS-MHS+ via Hakari dodging lightning and is higher via MBA. most calcs I see for higher tier speed in JJK thats above MHS are done via Gojo and Sukuna which Kashimo isnt close to
Anyway it likely wont get that far since JJK is getting choked by Mach 3 Scaling so both atm are around Mach 2.8 or whatever and Kashimo is still getting wrapped by Yuta
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It doesn't make him weaker. It means he wasn't hyped and not in the mood to fight, not physically nerfed.
Yuji isn't the type to stop fighting after one or two hit. His goal wasn't to physically overwhelm Hakari, moreso he knew he couldn't.
Flipping Yuji over with one good strike isn't good lol. You were saying that Hakari physically was already a heavy hitter, heavy hitter should have better feats than flipping a weakened Yuji over with a punch. Base Yuta casually one shot Choso, someone who should be somewhat comparable to that weakened Yuji
Uraume never got the chance to use maximum frost calm against Hakari. And he was mostly in Jackpot for the whole fight, we literally saw Uraume blow chunks off his body.If we are going down this route then I can easily counter this by showing how that Maki and Yuji were tagged once then became helpless against a holding back Uraume, the same Uraume that Hakari survived while she was at full power (In Base)
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Sukuna said his output plummets to 10% at it's lowest, but he was fine physically. The context is about output and power so by common sense, he was referring to his physical stats.
Fresh 16F Sukuna's strongest dismantle, which is stronger than his base punches couldn't go through a weakened Ryu and he had to blitz him with a full power cleave to kill him, Maki keeping up with Sukuna just means she is faster which is consistent with her having pseudo-precog.
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She isn't comparable to him, she's strong and fast enough to keep up with him physically.Hakari downplay in 2025?
Also you are wrong about Maki comparable to 16F Meguna. Not to mention you are acting like Sukuna not having hate agenda against Yuji at that point.
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Take Hakari's statements away and he's disaster curse level
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He does, I never said he doesn't. What were we talking about again?
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EldemadeDityjon
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Acting like Yuji wasn't strong and fast enough keeping up with the same Sukuna?
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He wasn't. He got one shot by the same Sukuna and only got a solid hit on him when he was distracted by the fact Yuji got through his barrage of dismantles. Maki actually got through Sukuna's defenses and got a solid hit on him, and in another panel directly kept up with him zooming around, with Sukuna himself complimenting her for that while laughing, something he rarely does.
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Now that JJK follows NPES, I think the special grade sorcerers and comparable should scale to Jogo's meteor since you have to be capable of completely outclassing a special grade curse to be a SGS. Additionally Jogo said the Meteor would've 'hurt' Sukuna, not outright killed him, also Jogo created the meteor while having a solid amount of CE left over too, enough for a Domain, if calcs like Yuta's love beam being town level gets accepted it'll further solidify this imo
EldemadeDityjon
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You reading Lobotomy Kaisen I guess
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Anonymous_Learner
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Relativistic JJK denial in 2025
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This feat uses TF Sukuna and both Yuji, Yuta and Maki (which will include Hakari since Heavy Hitter Moniker) are capable of hitting and reacting to
Therefore Yuta is also relativistic and therefore Yuta Victim
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They are capable of hitting and reacting to a super holding back Sukuna.
Kashimo blitzes the heavy hitters
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no not really
Jogo's meteor is a ap feat that at best would be scaled to Gojo and Sukuna (And that is IF, keyword IF you can make a case for them being able to tank Jogo's meteor)
JJK has a NPES for most of the verse not a UES, only Ryu would have UES rules due to his statement and even then Jogo's not a culling games player
Therefore, Jogo's meteor would not scale to just special grade sorcerers and comparable.
Additionally if we are on the topic of Scaling I think we have to first figure out a couple of things like revisions to certain characters and certain things that arent used or need to be recalced (Uraume's town level feat which has bad pixelscaling Iirc)
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TF Sukuna blitzes Kashimo by telling bro in advance about the WCS lolThey are capable of hitting and reacting to a super holding back Sukuna.
Kashimo blitzes the heavy hitters
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It doesnt matter if he aim dodged it. He is still relativistic
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Yes however considering that if the MHS+ Hakari calc gets accepted and the shinjiku party should be comparable to that and is able to take down a weakened Sukuna in TF and catch up to him
that should downscale them from the relativistic feat, therefore its not a blitz gap and bro still is a yuta victim
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BTW in regards to this messages second thing
Is anyone gonna work on that Uraume ice feat in ch 237? (or atleast recalc it since I see comments indicating bad pixelscaling?) I might recalc to see what result we may get unless someone already has
Anonymous_Learner
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I wish for it to be real but we all know it can't be because of the mach 3 limit. We might get out of it with the Speed CRT for Sukuna and gojo but we'd be lucky to get lighting timing back, let alone Relativistic Heavy hitters and FTL Sukuna/GojoRelativistic JJK denial in 2025
Anonymous_Learner
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And i'll be fighting my hardest to prove that THE GOD-TIERS should scale to it (It'll be rejected anyway...
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The issue isAnd i'll be fighting my hardest to prove that THE GOD-TIERS should scale to it (It'll be rejected anyway...
How will you explain it that Gojo and Sukuna could scale to that physically?
Like is there a way to find out how Gojo and Sukuna could concretely scale to the feat? Im not hating but I wanna understand what possible route could we take to say that Gojo and Sukuna even scale to it?
Anonymous_Learner
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Hmm. Well, Jogo and Sukuna state that the meteor would only cause damage to him if it hit him (Manga panel says would cause some damage, anime sub captions, from what i saw, say that Sukuna wouldn't come out unscathed). this would mean, while Jogo's Meteor AP>15F Sukuna, it's not to a crazy like Gojo FP Blue punches>>>Heavy hitters (or Yuta>>>>Kashimo[Mandatory agenda push, ignore]). 20F Sukuna is insanely superior it's almost comical and he'd immensely superior to the cursed energy reinforcement 15F sukuna would have to defend against the meteor. Plus, all the narrative of Gojo and Sukuna being the strongest and being incomprehensible could help with this. idk. I'll probably come up with a better defense there or someone more knowledgeable than me will
Use the words of manga, ig.
(I'm gonna get so fried for all this
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Maki dodged the WCS without any hints, she scales above Lashimo.
Anonymous_Learner
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Precog at best
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And even with help kashimo got hit
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Her precog is better than MBA kashimo's speed
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that is one possible routeHmm. Well, Jogo and Sukuna state that the meteor would only cause damage to him if it hit him (Manga panel says would cause some damage, anime sub captions, from what i saw, say that Sukuna wouldn't come out unscathed). this would mean, while Jogo's Meteor AP>15F Sukuna, it's not to a crazy like Gojo FP Blue punches>>>Heavy hitters (or Yuta>>>>Kashimo[Mandatory agenda push, ignore]). 20F Sukuna is insanely superior it's almost comical and he'd immensely superior to the cursed energy reinforcement 15F sukuna would have to defend against the meteor. Plus, all the narrative of Gojo and Sukuna being the strongest and being incomprehensible could help with this. idk. I'll probably come up with a better defense there or someone more knowledgeable than me will
Use the words of manga, ig.
(I'm gonna get so fried for all this
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- Jogo threw the meteor so he physically scales to Maximum Meteor
- Heavy hitters, Gojo, Sukuna, etc are physically stronger
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She aim dodged it unc
Anonymous_Learner
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawg.
Jogo can't scale physically to it as he was getting wrecked by 15F sukuna (holding back) and sukuna said he'd take damage.
Anonymous_Learner
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Kashimo also aim dodge and got help from unckuna.
2 can play this game
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Yeah I already took that into acount. He moved after his emw was fired which gives an usable timeframe and in turns make him Relativistic.
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Jogo doesnt particularly scale physically to Meteor
It is an attack that does greater damage than most of his attacks. The only way you can get people in heavy hitter tier to even scale to that is through the Megumi 10% thing
Iirc Megumi is interfering with Meguna's output and with Maki and Yuji being able to somewhat keep up (albeit Yuji in this moment is inferior atp) Megunas output relatively as low output (around just below 10%)
So scaling would actually be more of
Heavy Hitters ~ 10% 15f meguna < Maximum Meteor < 15f Sukuna
If the idea of 15f Sukuna being able to scale relatively to Meteor is accepted it would be more like this
Since Iirc Ryu should be relative to the heavy hitters yet a more fresh 15f Meguna just turnt this man into Sorbet from JJBA
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Again JJK has NPES now not UES
the only character that would have UES rules is Ryu Ishigori since his output and physicals are the same (which is considered a thing unique to him)
Jogo doesnt have UES rules therefore he can't scale to Meteor via physicals
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But unc, how did she aim dodge if she never saw it coming? Almost sure the panel we see the slash she is also surprised that it happened
And if both aim dodged only kashimo got hit, so she should still scale to that at the very least
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