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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

ShionAH said:
... Huh? Chapter 187. Base Hakari vs Kash fight in their domains. He eats a bunch of kicks, elbows and punches.

Okay, Hakari was also holding back then because he wanted to see Yuji's fever. Unless I remember wrong didnt Yuta say he already knew killing Yuji would be hard? So its not like he was holding back "massively"

So they took the SAME damage from the SAME attack. It doesn't matter if Gojo only flicked them, the panel itself is very straight forward way to show how relative Yuta and Hakari are
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Yuta was holding back quiiiite a lot. It's pretty clearly demonstrated when the 1 attack we see him actually put some effort into blows through Yuji's guard.

Hakari fights Kashimo out of jackpot inside the domain. Kashimo is clearly stronger than the guy, but not to the point Hakari can't downscale from him. (I'm not disagreeing with you here, I'm supporting you)

tbh I don't know where the idea that Hakari gets a multi-tier buff in jackpot comes from, it's not indicated in feats and it's not stated to be a giant stat buff, so I don't know how that ever got on the profiles to begin with lmao. It should just be "higher with jackpot"
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Honestly this is just an issue of Gege clearly making most characters as rough equals or at least relative enough where they won’t get holes literally bored into them with each hit but us scaling them to various tiers so by our standards they would.
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I personally think Base Hakari should be upped to Low 7-C and Jackpot could MAYBE be 7-C via Uraume. Maki should definitely be Low 7-C since she is relative to others and Yuji should be Low 7-C without the possibly. I personally believe all three are stronger than Yuta physically not gonna lie, Yuta is stronger because he has Rika and a bunch of hax

Hakari can be scaled above Maki and Yuji because Uraume considers him stronger than them
 
Axxtentacle said:
tbh I don't know where the idea that Hakari gets a multi-tier buff in jackpot comes from, it's not indicated in feats and it's not stated to be a giant stat buff, so I don't know how that ever got on the profiles to begin with lmao. It should just be "higher with jackpot"
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Doesn't Jackpot just make Hakari use his full output all the time, so like if Basekari wanted he could do Jackpot feats but he would waste CE doing them. Right?
 
ShionAH said:
I personally think Base Hakari should be upped to Low 7-C and Jackpot could MAYBE be 7-C via Uraume. Maki should definitely be Low 7-C since she is relative to others and Yuji should be Low 7-C without the possibly. I personally believe all three are stronger than Yuta physically not gonna lie, Yuta is stronger because he has Rika and a bunch of hax

Hakari can be scaled above Maki and Yuji because Uraume considers him stronger than them
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the Uraume statement is iffy

She's not referring to his power but moreso mentality Iirc
 
ShionAH said:
Yuta's 5 min mode only gives haxes right? I dont remember it boosting stats. JP Hakari wouldnt barf from that punch, I think its obvious what Gege is trying to tell us. Let me remind you this scaling is supported by like fcking 5 other statements lol
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Access to his CT, infinite CE, fully manifested Rika, access to his full power love beam and output. Obviously better stats given the whole infinite CE coursing through him.

ShionAH said:
Hakari in JP while holding back was beating Kash, while in the domain he eats a bunch of his attacks. I know he rerolled but he was using it to heal AND land a Jackpot. If Hakari is Tier 8 then Kash would be punching like damn holes in him, atleast according to some of you but we clearly see Hakari eat the attacks with minimal damage (just losing balance since Kash heavily outskills)
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Oh man, Hakari was definitively NOT holding back in JP, he was going all out and it was only because of his incredibly healing that he could keep up for most of the fight (Kashimo destroyed his face with the container's door).

IIRC the rerolls were being used because 1) Kashimo was finishing him every time they clashed (and thus he needed to heal) 2) to reach JP and try to gain some ground back
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Access to his CT, infinite CE, fully manifested Rika, access to his full power love beam and output.
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None of this are stats, Yuta does not have Infinite CE
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Oh man, Hakari was definitively NOT holding back in JP, he was going all out and it was only because of his incredibly healing that he could keep up for most of the fight (Kashimo destroyed his face with the container's door).
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Huh, absolutely not. Hakari wasn't even trying to kill Kash and I think we all know what happened when Hakari got serious.

When Hakari got serious and "hard and heavy" Kash literally NEVER lands another strike, I am not kidding. You can reread the fight, after he threatens Hakari's life he never ever gets another shot.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
IIRC the rerolls were being used because 1) Kashimo was finishing him every time they clashed (and thus he needed to heal) 2) to reach JP and try to gain some ground back
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He was hurting him pretty nice but nothing indicates he was "finished", using rerolls is literally free heal and free chance booster. I dont see why he would NOT use them tbh
 
ShionAH said:
Oh I know but she considers Hakari worthy of her full power while Maki and Yuji didn't make the cut
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Yeah but the statement doesnt exactly mean that Uraume is considering him stronger than Maki or Yuji (additionally Yuji and Maki were fighting Sukuna and got offguarded even though they (Uraume) werent trying)

Just rather that Hakari is the guy that they are willing to go all out due to the fact that Hakari doesnt share the fear of losing humanity (not that he's a horrible monster but rather that he really does not give a shit about causing destruction whilst fighting)
 
ShionAH said:
I personally think Base Hakari should be upped to Low 7-C and Jackpot could MAYBE be 7-C via Uraume. Maki should definitely be Low 7-C since she is relative to others and Yuji should be Low 7-C without the possibly. I personally believe all three are stronger than Yuta physically not gonna lie, Yuta is stronger because he has Rika and a bunch of hax

Hakari can be scaled above Maki and Yuji because Uraume considers him stronger than them
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Yeah Yuta honestly ain’t all that physicals-wise. He’s relative to Yuji while acting in his domain and most of his damage comes from his katana. His hax and versatility is where he shines

ShionAH said:
Oh I know but she considers Hakari worthy of her full power while Maki and Yuji didn't make the cut
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Just gonna note for this Uraume was actively holding back for that attack on Yuji cause they didn’t know if Sukuna still needed him. No statement is made for Maki iirc so for all we know most of the output was focused on her and it’s why Yuji got out first
 
ShionAH said:
Doesn't Jackpot just make Hakari use his full output all the time, so like if Basekari wanted he could do Jackpot feats but he would waste CE doing them. Right?
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It does seem to give him a boost of some kind, but pretty much. The overwhelming CE probably does make him a bit stronger, but a multi-tier jump is genuine insanity. I don't see how somebody who's honestly trying to scale JJK can read the manga and put that on the profile.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Just gonna note for this Uraume was actively holding back for that attack on Yuji cause they didn’t know if Sukuna still needed him. No statement is made for Maki so for all we know most of the output was focused on her and it’s why Yuji got out first
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I mean when Uraume talks to Hakari she says that Hakari is different from other modern sorcerers she encountered and that is why she wont consider him human and use her full power. To me this proves Uraume was always holding back until this moment, where she found the "monster" she was looking for
 
Also I think people overhype Yuji's performance in Yuta's domain tbh. Yuta's punches at least stunned Sukuna, Yuji landed a hand-assisted knee to the face and Sukuna basically laughed it off. He only kind of kept up speed wise? He got saved quite a lot, got setup for attacks, but Yuta outpaced him after he sent Sukuna flying with Sky Manipulation.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Yeah Yuta honestly ain’t all that physicals-wise. He’s relative to Yuji while acting in his domain and most of his damage comes from his katana. His hax and versatility is where he shines


Just gonna note for this Uraume was actively holding back for that attack on Yuji cause they didn’t know if Sukuna still needed him. No statement is made for Maki iirc so for all we know most of the output was focused on her and it’s why Yuji got out first
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pretty sure it was stated that Uraume used more of their power on maki than Yuji in that one attack
 
Axxtentacle said:
Also I think people overhype Yuji's performance in Yuta's domain tbh. Yuta's punches at least stunned Sukuna, Yuji landed a hand-assisted knee to the face and Sukuna basically laughed it off. He only kind of kept up speed wise? He got saved quite a lot, got setup for attacks, but Yuta outpaced him after he sent Sukuna flying with Sky Manipulation.
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Like Sukuna said, Yuji finally got himself a role and that was to nerf Sukuna. He is strong but his point in the raid (up until his awakening) was as a support to debuff Sukuna. In the domain fight with Yuta, Yuta was doing most of the damage and was the one keeping Sukuna on his toes (mostly because of the hidden factor) but also was capable of making Sukuna feel his punches (both outside and inside the domain).

After his digi-evolution he became the main dps that also debuffs
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Like Sukuna said, Yuji finally got himself a role and that was to nerf Sukuna. He is strong but his point in the raid (up until his awakening) was as a support to debuff Sukuna. In the domain fight with Yuta, Yuta was doing most of the damage and was the one keeping Sukuna on his toes (mostly because of the hidden factor) but also was capable of making Sukuna feel his punches (both outside and inside the domain).

After his digi-evolution he became the main dps that also debuffs
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I just see a lot of people say that Yuji kept up speedwise, and they often use the panel of Yuji and Yuta running side by side to prove it. But like... Yuji got sent flying in the same direction as Sukuna. Yuji was still being held by Sukuna when Sukuna got hit with Sky Manip. He had a headstart and Yuta still caught up.
 
I'm not sure what "instant" means, so I'll give my take for both options I'm thinking of.

If instant means "once the regen starts, it's instant", yes.

If it means "The regen starts the second damage is taken", no.
 
Axxtentacle said:
I'm not sure what "instant" means, so I'll give my take for both options I'm thinking of.
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Idk Muzan has it because his Regeneration is fast and starts instantly I think

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Wait, I dont get it. Jackpot makes it so Hakari's body constantly uses RCT and repairs itself all the time, which is why it looks like he starts healing when he takes damage when in reality he heals ALL the time. So why is that a no?
 
When he takes big hits like missing an arm, it doesn't regen immediately. It takes a sec both times it happens, but once the regen starts, it's instant.
 
I think I am on the completely opposite. RCT starts instantly since its ALWAYS active but it does not heal instantly because its still RCT.

Hakari's body is constantly breaking because of his CE, so his body is forced to repair itself for the entire 4 minutes
 
ShionAH said:
I think I am on the completely opposite. RCT starts instantly since its ALWAYS active but it does not heal instantly because its still RCT.

Hakari's body is constantly breaking because of his CE, so his body is forced to repair itself for the entire 4 minutes
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I'm not saying that's an interpretation of the statement. It's just what happens visually.
 
ShionAH said:
I just realised Maki is 8-A?? Who scaled the Heavy Hitters because I alr know they are a Yuta glazer damn
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The L7C characters scale there from a feat they don't actually scale to 💀 Everyone besides Gojo and Sukuna should actually scale to 8A
 
Actually wouldn't Yuta scale to the Gojo feat? the feat is just that his Cursed Energy Output is enough to power a country

Yuta has more CE output than Gojo, he's just physically weaker so he's lower
 
When Yuji first sees Yuta, Yuta notes he has more CE than Gojo and Yuji says he has insanely high CE output however I don't think there's a statement that connects the two

But google says he has a higher CE output so I dunno
 
well, we know Hakari has pretty damn high output according to kashimo. Yuta's output is "not bad" according to Ryu, but Ryu also has the highest output in the CG so we don't really know how much he considers "not bad"
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
At best they'd scale to the L7C Uraume feat due to Ryu shenanigans but they definitely shouldn't scale to the Gojo Nation feat
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JJK follows limited energy system as of right now, so no one scales to the cursed techniques unless they tanked them. (No one tanked Frost Calm)
 
Buraqibear said:
JJK follows limited energy system as of right now, so no one scales to the cursed techniques unless they tanked them. (No one tanked Frost Calm)
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Thing is Ryu would scale by producing of having the highest output (Uraume’s attack was a max output) though basically everyone would just backscale off him to varying degrees
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Thing is Ryu would scale by producing of having the highest output (Uraume’s attack was a max output) though basically everyone would just backscale off him to varying degrees
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That's not how it works because then it'd make Ryu's punches stronger than Sukuna's furnace and Gojo's purple since his punches are as strong as his Granite Blasts.
 
Buraqibear said:
That's not how it works because then it'd make Ryu's punches stronger than Sukuna's furnace and Gojo's purple since his punches are as strong as his Granite Blasts.
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Ryu canonically is the only exception to the rules of UES as he actually shares the same physicals as his CT

Ryu's statement could be interpreted aswell to be the highest output within the culling games which mainly would give backscaling to Uraume's calc
 
Buraqibear said:
That's not how it works because then it'd make Ryu's punches stronger than Sukuna's furnace and Gojo's purple since his punches are as strong as his Granite Blasts.
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How are his punches stronger than both when both have 7-c to high 7-c calcs and Ryu would at most scale to low 7-c off of uraume’s only max output calc
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
So the

whole mechamaru thing got rejected?
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It just hasn’t gone anywhere and has been in bump hell. Also powertoscale was contesting the calc being invalid and his calc being superior but basically nothing has come of that cause it’s just two people saying “my calc is better” to each other with no staff weighing in

I’m just going off of what we currently have and what’s currently accepted
 
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