ExcelsisBerny
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I’m really looking forward to Ultima finishing the revision they have planned for the Tiering System, so we can finally stop seeing ridiculous wanks like those in the future.
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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its not wank
its peak
how does the revision stop the 'ridiculous wank' you're talking about anyway
its peak
how does the revision stop the 'ridiculous wank' you're talking about anyway
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Where?
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Wouldn't that be a good thing? WOD gets to be the new king of cracked verses in this wiki
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Gao Chuan's Tier has been fixed, and he's now 1-C. I think a match between him and Shallow could be an interesting one.
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What can Gao Chuan even do against plot manipulation and those shenanigans
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High 1-A Resistance and High 1-A Resistance to Resistance Negation.
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Sakamaki Izayoi for 1st Low 5-B. Hajime has no resistance to Resistance Negation so Passive Power Null goes through making all of Hajime’s P&A useless.
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Metaphysical hax cant have low 1-A hax potency. So a concept in a 5-D cosmology would be just as potent as a concept in a low 1-A one.
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yes ergen have baseline 1A stuff.
Rikimarox2
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Then unless they have like, a bajillion layers of stuff, I don't see why Wank Wei can't just, beat them? Maybe if they have immo, but considering the dude just has, resistances to everything now and 1-A pretty much everything, I don't see what stops WW from just yeeting them.
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The 2-B (or Meng Hao in specific) people should at worst have 60 layers of 1-A stuff, though one could argue more or less, I am not willing to get into more RI AP discussions
Rikimarox2
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That should be fine. Cultivators Laws evolve into Daos (Usually Low 1-A, but 1-A for Supreme Daos) at the Supreme Stage. WW finally evolved his Law shtick to Dao at that realm too, reached Quasi-Emperor, and absorbed his incarnations to reach a battle strength of 5-Star Dao Ancestor.
That probably sounds like a schizo talk to anyone who isn't familiar with the series, but basically, WW has well over 100 layers in the 2-B key (Dao Ancestors are over 25 Great Realms over Quasi-Emperors).
I believe this also applies to the 2-C key, though IIRC that dude in 2-C has Immo, which is a bit of a problem.
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Are those for Supreme Daos in specific or just general layers? Mainly asking because the layers that stem from Dao stuff alone won't apply to Supreme Daos in a similar manner to Law layers not applying to Dao layers
(Also I will say the layers page is confusing the **** out of me, but I'll take that to your wall if anything, though would appreciate if you send me the thread the layers got accepted in)
Rikimarox2
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It follows the same general format of Daos, though it's a bit weird.
Cultivators have Daos at the Supreme Realm, and that's where it starts. Most Daos are Low 1-A, but there are Dao Overlords, ie Cultivators with Supreme Daos, and they get the Supreme Dao at the Supreme Realm as well (Obviously, after surviving the Outlaw Trial, ie the Heavenly Dao (1-A being) ******* with them via trials and destined death). And it follows the same trend, higher cultivation means higher layers, and all those shenanigans. Like, I'd imagine a Dao Overlord at the Quasi-Emperor stage to be superior to a Dao Overlord at the Supreme stage, you get me?
Though, even if we ignore Supreme Realm and assume it is only for Low 1-A Daos, anything in the Immortal Venerable and above would still apply, since those are the stages where 1-A shenanigans are kinda the norm. So It'd still be: 9-levels for Immortal Venerable + 10 Great Realms of difference (40 layers minimum, as each Great Realm has at least 4 stages, Low, Middle, High, and Peak) + 5 levels for Dao Ancestor = 54~ layers for 1-A shtick, which doesn't account for the fact that even same root cultivators could fodderize others and be unaffected. The same applies to Immortal venerable. Which, if we go that route, will probably mean Ergen dudes are probably stronger. He does have a lot of BS tho, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could just, resistance neg them or smth.
Though, even if we ignore Supreme Realm and assume it is only for Low 1-A Daos, anything in the Immortal Venerable and above would still apply, since those are the stages where 1-A shenanigans are kinda the norm. So It'd still be: 9-levels for Immortal Venerable + 10 Great Realms of difference (40 layers minimum, as each Great Realm has at least 4 stages, Low, Middle, High, and Peak) + 5 levels for Dao Ancestor = 54~ layers for 1-A shtick, which doesn't account for the fact that even same root cultivators could fodderize others and be unaffected. The same applies to Immortal venerable. Which, if we go that route, will probably mean Ergen dudes are probably stronger. He does have a lot of BS tho, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could just, resistance neg them or smth.
I haven't really bothered with the Layers page yet. I'm planning on updating it, since it's pretty simple to update, but as of right now, I haven't updated ever since tier 1 shenanigans got accepted. As for layers specifically for the 1-A shenanigans? I don't think I have ever did one, I just assumed it follows the same trend as other layers. If it requires a thread, I don't mind doing it in the next crt (Although it would make the 2-B talk kinda pointless, since next CRT is about Mortal Emperor key which also has 2-B).
Unless you are talking about layers for Supreme, Quasi-Emperor, Immortal Venerables and Dao Ancestors? If so, those were accepted here.
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Okay fair enough
Nah, just layers in general, and yeah it does follow the same trend, the page as a whole (specifically how the layers are counted) confuse me, but I can just take that take that to a wall
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In 5-C Wei Huo is once again higher than Arifureta. (Should have been since his CM 2 become CM 1 but I forget).
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Unless he has 1-A smurf hax?
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Bump for the 2-C part.
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Could anyone answer this question. Why is high outer plus not in the list for high 1A? And Why is their a smurfs and non smurfs if they aren’t tier 0 smurfs.
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World of Darkness is High 1-A+, and I don't understand what you're trying to say in that second bit.
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I was confused because In the non Smurf list for high outer the characters are different so if they can’t be tier 0 Smurfs why are they different
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Well the list is only updated when someone suggests a character, so it just means no one has suggested the characters from the non-Smurf list here.
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Alright thanks
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Can characters from Umineko or law of identity get a spot on high 1a
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Man I miss the times when Yogiri's still 1-B last month, can't even make a matchup with him against Acheron (Since she's 1-B now)
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Remove Marvel comics from High 1-A, and/or put The One Above All in a bottom spot since he's only baseline High 1-A and is basically the only High 1-A in Marvel for now.
I remember when he was 1-AMan I miss the times when Yogiri's still 1-B last month, can't even make a matchup with him against Acheron (Since she's 1-B now)
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Remove Homestuck from Low 1-A and 1-A, the characters are High 1-A now.
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Scarlet Witch for the 3rd spot in High 8-C.
Layered 1-A basic magic hax, plus all the goodies from Chaos Magic and the fact that she has a good amount of her own hax (power null, advanced causality/probability hax as well as passive probability hax, busted 1-A mind hax, and other abilities)
How potent is the hax of the Dunwich Horror (#2 High 8-C)? Scarlet Witch resists his type 3 madness manipulation via resisting the passive powers of the Darkhold.
Also, how potent is its Type 9 Immortality, since Scarlet Witch can cut off connections to higher dimensions as high as the High 1-B Dark Dimension.
She also resists basically everything he has assuming his hax isn't above 1-A in potency, and she can sense invisible beings.
Layered 1-A basic magic hax, plus all the goodies from Chaos Magic and the fact that she has a good amount of her own hax (power null, advanced causality/probability hax as well as passive probability hax, busted 1-A mind hax, and other abilities)
How potent is the hax of the Dunwich Horror (#2 High 8-C)? Scarlet Witch resists his type 3 madness manipulation via resisting the passive powers of the Darkhold.
Also, how potent is its Type 9 Immortality, since Scarlet Witch can cut off connections to higher dimensions as high as the High 1-B Dark Dimension.
She also resists basically everything he has assuming his hax isn't above 1-A in potency, and she can sense invisible beings.
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Remove characters from Isekai at Peace from 5-C, and Isis Remnant from High 6-A. They got upgraded to 4-A.
As for where they place in 4-A have to sort out their layers first.
As for where they place in 4-A have to sort out their layers first.
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- Anos Voldigoad can take 3rd in 5-C since Maou Gakuin has now established hax layers
- Characters from Final Fantasy Tactics for 6th in 4-C, 11th in Low 2-C, and either 6th or 7th in 7-C. Ramza Beoulve, Agrias Oaks, and Ultima The High Seraph
- Characters from Honkai Star Rail for 4th in 3-B
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wei has Low 1A hax.
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I thought smurfing was gone
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At that tier, yeah
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it is not. it is simply heavily enforced properly now
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