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Kirby General Discussion Thread (fun edition)
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Star Crossed Worlds BETTER bring the goods because Kirby franchise scalers be dead rn 
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Genuinely it would be so peak if there was just a single concrete 2-C feat in it. There are people still believing in high 3-A at best Kirby because of the oddness of the RTD shit.Star Crossed Worlds BETTER bring the goods because Kirby franchise scalers be dead rn
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While 2-A Kirby would be nice, I just want him to have some decent hax!Star Crossed Worlds BETTER bring the goods because Kirby franchise scalers be dead rn
Soul hax, reality warping, fate/causality hax, maybe some concept/type 2 information hax!
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Imagine Kirby finally gets a GENUINE "super form" that just amps him all-around
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Imagine the Power of Miracles being given more stuff so Kirby can have passive causality/fate hax.
Or dream power and/or light/dark power being confirmed as conceptual.
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KATFL already had so many cool stuff
I'd imagine it'd have to go even further beyond to differentiate itself as having a genuine threat Kirby is facing when last time we fought FREAKING RAT THANOS (Elfilis)
Like first thing mentioned is "time and space" and "dimensions" with the starries --- I have hope, y'know?
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Don't mind what others think. If you know it's true, that's good. If have your issues with it, voice them.
Although, I would rather have people not buy that feat or choosing not to look into it than making up a narrative about it by misunderstanding it; Like the DB research team claiming that all of Another Dimension was destroyed, but it can exist in all points in time therefore the not-destroyed Another Dimension we see elsewhere is the same destroyed place in other points in time.
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Btw, about that feat, I just learned that the in-game cutscene for it is called 全てキエテ 〜 それぞれの世界へ, which can be translated to "Everything / All is gone ~ To our own worlds." This is the cutscene where the space shatters, everyone leaves, and then Kirby & co. go to their world before Landia & Lor go to their world. So the "Everything is gone" refers to earlier in the cutscene, the space breaking.
Needless to say, it's just the dumb name of a cutscene, nothing special. But I will have to throw it in on the blog as a minor detail.
Needless to say, it's just the dumb name of a cutscene, nothing special. But I will have to throw it in on the blog as a minor detail.
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Watch as the new kirby just gives kirby a new powerup and it will just be him shooting tires or smth
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Said good feats aren’t above tier 3 tho
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Eh fair, wish they'd just go do the usual style most games do their powerscaling ... through vague as hell lore
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For the record, I don't care what abilities & high-tier feats the series shows. I care about and want things like:
- The characters being given agency to act in-character beyond just what everyone can do as a team.
- (For example, remember when MK wished to fight the strongest in the galaxy to grow stronger himself? That was pretty cool. Remember the next 2 times he fought the same guy, out of nowhere and because someone else summoned him for MK? Not as cool, isn't it?)
- The writing of the mysteries actually making sense and being well-written
- (Most main games post-Return to Dream Land onward have 1 time-based gimmick. The remake of that game has the same as the original & 2 more, yet the Merry Magoland mystery is the worst written in all the series. All because of how they forgot to remove the park from a background where it shouldn't be, how Landia still has the crown in it there, and how it relies on the characters being stupid enough to not talk to each other about some basic things.
- I can give reasons for it, but even I don't know what the f*ck they were going for half of the time with this. It's great to leave players being able to assume many different interpretations to understand what's going on, but only if they are interpretations within reason. It sucks to make sense of a mystery by first trying to make sense of the nonsense inside the mystery, it's like they don't care how pretentious they come off as anymore.
- The average Joe is just going to dismiss Merry Magoland, which I wished it was that simple, but it's by far bigger the evidence of it being in the future & in another world, even if you give up & assume that its "issues" can only be issues against that setting. No other mystery that you are meant to unpack has it this badly, none.)
- I want the animators at Hal to stop being so lazy and for Hal to not be so far behind in technical aspects.
- (Hal's laziness is well-known, isn't it? If it's not as bad as with PKMN. For example, in Return to Dream Land Deluxe, they couldn't even animate the background spinning during Phase 2 Magolor/Magolor Soul's Black Hole. The background changing when you beat a Sphere Doomer in the original game was instant, you feel it if you mind it. In the remake the loading takes forever, the colors barely change, it wastes your time to do that thing the og game did. It's embarazzing side by side.)
- The aesthetics for Another Dimension and combat moves randomly become trash sometimes.
- (Another Dimension: In Heroes in Another Dimension, it was the same background over and over during the levels. In Magolor Epilogue, the backgrounds were cool at first, but it was the same over and over in different colors for a whole story, it was ugly.)
- (Combat moves: The Stand Rush-like attack of Flamberge's sword. Magolor no longer doing that Metal Sonic/M. Bison pose during Magolor Surge makes it look way, way worse. The way Crowned Doomer summons Doomers while cringing its wings. Many of the attacks of the updated Magolor Soul, the true final of the remake; Example, don't have him shoot 2 energy blasts while aiming as if he was shooting 1 energy blast, have him aim each blast with each hand. It looks so bad for a final boss, they just mostly sped-up Magolor Soul animations, like a fan mod)
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I have an issue with this. In the shot with the ice mountains the "stars" are clearly snowflakes since the exact same kind of spots of light are on the mountains themselves
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It does somehow have the sun inside so..maybe 4-C to 4-B still?
It's up to you, it could also be a pocket dimension inside so it doesn't necessarily weigh as much.
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Yes and no. You misunderstand, the other links still show outer space with many stars in it. That's still inside the cave. You leave the cave at a certain point in the game later on.
But yes, it can be a pocket dimension inside that would not necessarily weight as much from the outside. The issues are:
But yes, it can be a pocket dimension inside that would not necessarily weight as much from the outside. The issues are:
- Those weird pillars going from ground level into space, idk how the "magic" hides their weigh since they start and end all around Popstar. But ok, sure we can ignore them.
- How common it is to hype up Popstar in such a way that it being interstellar in size wouldn't be an issue. Unless I'm missing something.
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Well I ain't saying its impossible. Popstar is basically the most f-d up planet (if you can even call it that at this point) since that one planet in the Fate series.
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While, again, I'm not in the same camp of thinking, and even think that doing this is inadvisable, I'll tell you this: In my next revisions, "miracles" in Kirby will become a stand-in for for an actual supernatural occurrence that's "likely limited Fate Manip." The logic is as follows:
The good ending of Heroes in Another Dimension has been stated to be a miracle a good number of times, once even said to be the Sisters' destiny changing (Hence Fate Manip). The initial issue with this was how there was no supernatural change of fate we could see; Either Kirby & co. collect the power they need to create that charged Friend Heart at the end, or they lack the power to do so. That's it. However, the Jap. screen after finishing the mode says that, thanks to the power of the collected Friend Hearts, the Sisters could now be summoned as Dream Friends.
And turns out, Dream Friends are said to be "dreams come true" (wait for it) and the characters being summoned across time and space, with the mechanics of this time travel being explicitly elaborated to not use Another Dimension (Time travel in Kirby either uses Another Dimension or it doesn't). So this is real time travel, they're not just saying nonsense. And what do you know, the Sisters can only be summoned from the future after being reached by that charged Friend Heart. This is canon. In fact, it may or may not be the only reason as to why they had to explain Dream Friends to use time travel. In turn, why did the Sisters became Dream Friends now when they weren't before? Why, because of the power of the power of the collected Friend Hearts, as that screen stated before. I find correct to say that "likely limited Fate Manip" is correct in such a context." Added to that, the charged Friend Heart creates itself out of nowhere, not because Kirby made it.
And because this changes the timelines of events of the adventures where you can use Dream Friends (The first time, you cannot summon the Sisters. After the timelines are changed, you can summon the Sisters), this is also "minor Causality Manip." Note that I'm not saying "likely" this time around.
Every Star Ally has this, they all collected the same amount of Friend Hearts in that mode. The giant Friend Heart creating itself above Kirby is something that could have happened to anyone, they don't even need to be in groups of 4. The unknown 4 heroes of anciant times have this, which would be pretty decorative in their abilities only, it's unclear if they are even aware of their own powers. The unknown civilization of the New World and Kirby can use "miracles," ie the same powers as above, and Fecto Forgo either can do the same, or he can't, and his body simply has the means for others to develop that power for themselves.
Now, this is all useless in combat. It's just lore. The use of it is random, subtle, and not controlled by most users. It has something of a theme of redemption, and further uses like that could assumed at best. But that's after winning battles by yourself, with no proven assistance from miracles mid-battle. The civilization of the New World seems to be able to manipute that kind of power more freely though, using it to travel across dimensions.
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I would need a favor. I have this feat that needs to be calc'd, but I have more tabs opened than what I can count. So I would rather not present the feat formally, re-learning the few things needed on how to do that. Can someone do that for me?
I made a casual calc myself and it came out at Small Building level and Class 5 LS. Also, like the blog says, I think the animation is different if you beat Goldon & Silvox at the same time. Maybe they get tossed around faster? I tried looking that up on youtube more than a few times, nobody beat them at once, and then I gave up.
I made a casual calc myself and it came out at Small Building level and Class 5 LS. Also, like the blog says, I think the animation is different if you beat Goldon & Silvox at the same time. Maybe they get tossed around faster? I tried looking that up on youtube more than a few times, nobody beat them at once, and then I gave up.
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We don’t.
If you are thinking void, then most recent translations from scans hint it’s likely dark matter.
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Always bet on Galacta Knight in Star Crossed World
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I thought Void and Dark Matter were related?
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Yeah, same
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Nothing was confirmed IIRC
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Void is the original ancestor, of all forms of life (even souls, and dream beings). Members of the Dark Matter clan, like with all clans, are descendants of Void. So yes, they are related. But Void is not a Dark Matter.
If one wanted to argue, "the Dark Matter clan are direct sons of some life of Void, whereas the rest of the universe is full of pretty much great-great-grandsons of Void. Therefore, the Dark Matter clan is MORE related to Void!" Then sure, why not.
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Related in the same way you are related to the very first life forms on the planet. Sure, you came from that, you sure as hell aren’t that tho.
So what user above me said.
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Dragon Ball? I'd say pretty far into DBS, the dude can really develop incredibly fast despite having barely any training
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Let's see
- idk how fast they're are and don't feel like looking it up.
- Friend Hearts may or may not grant side characters the ability to grow stronger as fast as Kirby, making them relevant. Imagine that.
- I don't believe most characters can affect ghosts, right? That would make Kirby's ability to revive as Ghost Kirby go far.
- Do I count the Mid-Godly Regen I'm working on? At that point, I don't think anyone evil can stop Kirby.
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New direct is peak
To note for powerscaling
-Bombs have insane range
-Crash can have more unique properties now
-Kirby can summon Ultra sword with enough power
-Many characters can now capture and take copy abilities by themselves
-MK can seemingly fuse with his ride
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Oh god a lot of people get Copy abilities now... well that's gonna require more revisions...
I wonder if the Kirby Air Riders new stuff is gonna require it's own thread(That might take forever to finish)
(Also you left out the most important thing revealed: DEDEDE FINALLY GETS JET HAMMER IN THE KIRBY SERIES FINALLY IT TOOK NEARLY 20 YEARS BUT ITS FINALLY HERE)
I wonder if the Kirby Air Riders new stuff is gonna require it's own thread(That might take forever to finish)
(Also you left out the most important thing revealed: DEDEDE FINALLY GETS JET HAMMER IN THE KIRBY SERIES FINALLY IT TOOK NEARLY 20 YEARS BUT ITS FINALLY HERE)
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Maybe Dark Dedede revived.
Could be King-D Mind considering we hear his theme in the game
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They already had this since the original Air Ride. A full-charge Plasma shot is also some homing technique you could find in DBZ Budokai Tenkaich 3. If you look at Kirby's profile, you will find gifs in the Bomb and Plasma parts.
That line in Death Battle's Kirby vs Majin Buu about Kirby being able to use the Ultra Sword at will is no longer false, ig.
Well, it's not like they kidnap them. They eat them, which is better. I think you can see them putting them in their mouths. They gain more than Copy Abilities.
Other notes
- I like how Dedede, MK, and Magolor's capes move. I like the new renders for Dedede and MK. Magolor's is kinda simple tho, if not bad.
- I like how they describe Susie as smug and Magolor as sly. They don't outright tell you they're evil, but if a new player doesn't know that, it should come as no surprise later.
- My hopes for the game was that it could have characters flying around on their own with no vehicles, just like MK in the original game. This would allow an insane amount of Flight users in the series to be playable, but everyone having Copy Abilities removes that. I guess they could still do it, if they separate them properly, but it becomes far less likely that they would do it.
Yes. Last time someone added something correct w/o a thread, I made a note on a blog about how I need to edit other pages to keep up with those new claims. And I'm still yet to update those pages.
It's important to know where something comes from and have clear how all associated pages will be changed based on that, not just some pages. Besides, characters will gain the same, it's better to build up what is everything they will gain, have patience to build up every single thing they gain & things to be changed, and then make the edits.
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