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Yeah, my personal thoughts it should be on both or neither (or we can add a tab where we link both to it.)
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Fnaf at freddys discussion thread!
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I believe there's nuance as to how this all ties together, but ultimately there's a closer connection between Glitchtrap and the Mimic/M2 than anything else
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If that's the view we are going then I would prefer just to remove it entirely for now.
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You're describing Burntrap's function with a word that wasn't there
By Scott's own words, he was supposed to be something you saw at a glance, and nothing more
Knowing what we know now, and how Scott has become more hands-on in his approach to communicating what the lore is to the developers, M2 being where Burntrap originally was, the environment still showing signs of Burntrap's existence, and the overarching focus on the Mimic only leaves one answer: Burntrap is M2
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You are stretching information further than Matpat's "Gregory is a robot" theory atm...
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Glitchtrap is very likely the Mimic. Part of SOTM's plot is getting the Mimic tech to Fazbear Ent. Later, it's said that Fazbear Ent. scanned old technology and got the Glitchtrap virus from it. SOTM seems to be showing us that tech
The first thing we ever see Glitchtrap DO is mimic the words of the Tape Girl
Then Glitchtrap goes on to possess Jeremy, Vanessa, and Gregory (if GGY is even half-canon, still...). Burntrap was intended to be Gregory's hallucination. Given that Vanessa and Jeremy both complained of psychological issues after encountering Glitchtrap, it's likely that Burntrap was intended to be Gregory's own Glitchtrap-given hallucination.
I think Glitchtrap = Mimic is all but confirmed, or at the very least has much more evidence than it being an Afton agony creature. So I don't think we need to add it back onto Willy's profile. It could be removed from Mimic's as well, but I disagree there, even if I do see the logic behind it.
If anything, I could see Glitchtrap getting a profile seperate from both Mimic and Afton
Burntrap could also get a profile with the "Non-Canon Characters" category and just use whatever's in his ending of SB
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You're being obtuse to understand the most reasonable conclusion given what we know
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That's an extremely fair point, but I am mainly referring to Matpat/Tom, Ryetoast, Fuhnaff, Id Fantasy. And more or less a lot of the other theories I have come across in the official game theory discord.
Never argued that Glitchtrap wasn't the mimic, what I am arguing for is that either William or his Agony possesses it to create Glitchtrap.
Fair interpretation.
... I am thinking you misunderstood what I argued for...
Yeah, that's what I want. Either it is linked to both or none.
Fair, but this would be on William's profile, no?
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Sure, "Your personal reason is naturally the most reasonable."... You have no idea how much I have heard that, and that almost always comes from the people with less knowledge about the verse.
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Burntrap is weird because really he isn't anything. He wasn't supposed to exist in the first place, and then got retconned into being Gregory's OC lol. He's not really intended to be William or Mimic or really anything in the current canon. I think in this case, a page titled "Burntrap" that notes his hacking or whatever would be enough
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Fair, but we do mostly think it's William at the time, and almost everyone agrees it's not m2
So if we are doing it, we should add it to William's page with a large red note to it, explaining the situation.
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I'm speaking from the frame of reference that Burntrap, who Steel Wool certainly thought was Afton in some form, was intended by Scott to be tied to the Mimic
At best, Burntrap would be notable on M2's profile. At worst, he should be overlooked for the most part
At best, Burntrap would be notable on M2's profile. At worst, he should be overlooked for the most part
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No, just no. We are not listing Burntrap as m2, it's not even the most realistic option, either afton, it¨s own profile or none.
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It shouldn't even be on Afton's profile because it just isn't relevant
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I disagree on adding it to William's page given it's non-canon status, even if it IS meant to be him (which i am not completely opposed to). William's main page should be main continuity stuff, adding a non-canon, barely indexable form to it would just make it messier
I don't think Burntrap's identity really matters at this point, he has been reduced to Gregory's vent OC in canon, but there is strong evidence for both of them. He hits the Mimic arm pose, he has an arm where William didn't (last we saw)... But he also has fleshy bits and is styled after Afton. Really, it could be both, could be neither, shouldn't matter nowadays lol
I don't think Burntrap's identity really matters at this point, he has been reduced to Gregory's vent OC in canon, but there is strong evidence for both of them. He hits the Mimic arm pose, he has an arm where William didn't (last we saw)... But he also has fleshy bits and is styled after Afton. Really, it could be both, could be neither, shouldn't matter nowadays lol
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Steel Wool definitely intended for it to be Afton. Now it's just Gregory's OC that was made in a collab with the Mimic
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Fair, but most agree it's not mimic, within the community. If you want, I can even find videos of it from the more knowledgeable theorists.
What I am fully against is putting them on the mimic's page.
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Welp, that is a low priority.
My current list of plans for the verse in (priority order) [Note I will update this list]
Reworking William's intelligence section.
Fixing the Remnant and Agony page.
(Sideline -Collecting all the known measurements for the fnaf cast.)
I would like to know what you guys are currently working on.
My current list of plans for the verse in (priority order) [Note I will update this list]
Reworking William's intelligence section.
Fixing the Remnant and Agony page.
(Sideline -Collecting all the known measurements for the fnaf cast.)
I would like to know what you guys are currently working on.
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I'm trying to decide just how many new pages can be made for SOTM
Obviously there's the Mimic page overhaul
Are the only notable non-Mimic entities the tiger ghost and Arnold? Was Big Top the Mimic, or his own thing?
Obviously there's the Mimic page overhaul
Are the only notable non-Mimic entities the tiger ghost and Arnold? Was Big Top the Mimic, or his own thing?
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Fair, I can help you with information from it, but the main thing is removing Tiger rock, and separating M1 and M2 (glitchtrap debate can be done at a later date.
I don't think I need to say anything here.
Jackie, Dollie, Arnold, Mimic, and Bigtop all deserve their own own page.
Also, I said earlier, while mimic use the animatronics, his strength carries depending on who he "controls", so his scaling will depend on who he "controls"
We may also want to add the digityper and the random animatronics creature in the bad ending 2, for scaling purposes.
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what does game william have that isn't already on the page? he's genuinely very limited when it comes to stuff like that.
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I wanna rework his intelligence since we now have quite a lot more information regarding his earlier feats, and also new feats, mainly in manipulation and deception.
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I think Jackie, Dollie, and Bigtop would be keys for Mimic, wouldn't they? It's the same guy, just wearing different costumes and acting the part. I guess we separate Ben 10 and all his aliens... but they have a lot more varied tiers and powers compared to Mimic and all his costumes. I'll wait and see what others think is best
Arnold deserves his own page, at least. Dude might be the most cracked mainline FNaF protagonist yet
Idk about giving profiles to the rando robots, they don't have much to go off of
The white tiger seems very interesting to me. We haven't had a straight-up non-robotic ghost in a while
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Definitely, but we need to wait until someone calcs his dura feats
since he fell through this ceiling which definitely is around the Wall level ranges
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The reason why they deserve their own tier is due to the mimic clearly scales to them while possessing them, as well as his entire personality and "fighting style" changes, expetion his homicidal tendencies, of course. So I think it is better to have them all as separate characters and instead have them as "equipment" or just links to their keys for the m2. (It would also make the m2 profile extremely convoluted.)
The main reason is due to scaling reasons, since we get pretty clear durability feats from them. So it would be the same as the staff bots' profiles.
Yeah, but I would recommend not touching that for now, we are still early and discovering stuff.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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where would we even scale tiger rock
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Currently, we are believeing it's actually David's ghost, I will keep us updated on the latest and most reliable theories regarding it (as well as the most common)
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He would upscale Arnold for being able to kill him
Ruby_R_Dracula
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ic ic, which speaking of Arnold
bros the goat for potentially bringing 9-B Og FNAF Back (if we get that one dura feat calced)
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Also, I am pretty sure the rest of the fnaf guards would scale no?
Ruby_R_Dracula
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uh yeah, nothing suggests that Arnold is like not a normal dude
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Also, before I forget, the Moon down in the stone prison is not the Mimic.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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oh yeah forgot that dude
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btw, something that may be worth scaling is how much force it takes for Big Top to jump out of the tent...
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that could be a good supportive feat for him Knocking over two tall Smokestacks while leaping around
OrangeFR
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Arnold was also extremely tired during the whole game, and got up from that shit like it was nothing, truly the goat.
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I am just hoping they don't do it to be capable of saying, "You thought that actually happened? It was just Arnold's illusions."
Dream theory 2.0
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I have honestly no idea what you mean?
Are you saying that DbD scales low?
Afton DbD specifically scales low?
Also, what do you mean by "tired"?
I am confused.
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