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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Yeah from what I'm seeing.

Xue Ying can't really do anything to characters like Universe Tree Son Goku... Or like Fu: Youth, Time Power Unleashed Demigra. With their Layered Time Power. and purely physical he gets beyond one-shotted, due to them being Infinite 5-D Hypertimelines, with him seemingly being only one...

He does have High-Godly Regen [Informational {Type 2} & Conceptual {Type 1}]. But he does not have it for History, Fate, etc. so he'll be screwed there. Especially against the Nonexistence Erasure of SDBH (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)' Time Power and Power of Hakai. Erasing even the Nonexistent "History, Laws, Fate, Space-Time, Data and more", even Nature Type 2 erasing... which is an even further beyond Nonexistence (No pun intended)

Ofc If I have gotten anything wrong, please inform me, and I will wait for any counterarguments before fully requesting them to be put on that specific spot on the list
 
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Apotheosis69 said:
Yeah from what I'm seeing.

Xue Ying can't really do anything to characters like Universe Tree Son Goku... Or like Fu: Youth, Time Power Unleashed Demigra. With their Layered Time Power. and purely physical he gets beyond one-shotted, due to them being Infinite 5-D Hypertimelines, with him seemingly being only one...

He does have High-Godly Regen [Informational {Type 2} & Conceptual {Type 1}]. But he does not have it for History, Fate, etc. so he'll be screwed there. Especially against the Nonexistence Erasure of SDBH (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)' Time Power and Power of Hakai. Erasing even the Nonexistent "History, Laws, Fate, Space-Time, Data and more", even Nature Type 2 erasing... which is an even further beyond Nonexistence (No pun intended)

Ofc If I have gotten anything wrong, please inform me, and I will wait for any counterarguments before fully requesting them to be put on that specific spot on the list
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AP doesn't matter, this is very much a hax match + his NEP requiring 6D smurf hax to bypass
DBH doesn't have CM1, so they get hit and haxed by the passive CM1 Domain
Him having history or fate or all that stuff as part of his regen or NEP or what have you is redundant as all of said stuff is covered under laws and true meanings in verse, which are several levels lower on thr ranking than Daos, which entirely transcend and encompass the River of Time
The only thing there that can actually affect him in the NEP 2 stuff, but domains suppress all other powers and things within them, including other domains, so they aren't going to get to do anything + not being able to bypass his NEP
 
Deonment said:
AP doesn't matter, this is very much a hax match + his NEP requiring 6D smurf hax to bypass
DBH doesn't have CM1, so they get hit and haxed by the passive CM1 Domain
Him having history or fate or all that stuff as part of his regen or NEP or what have you is redundant as all of said stuff is covered under laws and true meanings in verse, which are several levels lower on thr ranking than Daos, which entirely transcend and encompass the River of Time
The only thing there that can actually affect him in the NEP 2 stuff, but domains suppress all other powers and things within them, including other domains, so they aren't going to get to do anything + not being able to bypass his NEP
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Is that Domain suppressing considered Power Nullification? Cus SDBH characters Resist that in Layers as well.

Many characters in SDBH also have Statistics/Stamina Manipulation, like Dimensional Domain which immediately sets all opponent's Stamina to 1, which makes them not be able to literally do anything.



Although since his Nonexistent Physiology is 6-D. They can't really do anything... Hmm. then Characters from SDBH might have to be No. 7
 
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Celestial_Pegasus said:
Might be an interesting vs match for right now.

Think should probably be a vs thread.
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Sounds good.
Celestial_Pegasus said:
As for later eh may or may not work as Shallow Vernal could be upgraded to a layer into 1-A. At least my initial thoughts are leading that way, we will see come a couple weeks/months from now when I sort out the World Creator hierarchy.
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I see.
Enter_Bluey said:
How high into 1A is Kim Dokja? Or does he have some kind of smurf

Cause if it's not all possible extensions or high 1-A smurf, probably not getting passed last boss
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For now he's just Baseline 1-A. I have plans for his smurf HAX later.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Is that Domain suppressing considered Power Nullification? Cus SDBH characters Resist that in Layers as well.

Many characters in SDBH also have Statistics/Stamina Manipulation, like Dimensional Domain which immediately sets all opponent's Stamina to 1, which makes them not be able to literally do anything.



Although since his Nonexistent Physiology is 6-D. They can't really do anything... Hmm. then Characters from SDBH might have to be No. 7
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Considering said suppression is being enforced by a type 1 concept, that layer count doesn't really matter, but its can't move, can't act, etc etc etc, either way at most its an incon because as I said before, they don't have CM1 anymore, so they get haxed by his domain

I know what DBH does, and dimensional domain isn't really useful here considering that a)the passives still kill them instantly b)they have to take an action after getting their stamina set to 0 to then get affected, but if he takes an action, he is nuking them from existence with Samsara or Void Dao, taking control over their mind/soul with Mirage, or hitting them with Extreme Piercing
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Even being Blessed by a Tier 0 can only get you up to to High 1-A+ (Type 2). Period
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I mean last I've seen Ultima agrees with LotR having tier 0 hax since a tier 0 being is actively sustaining the existence of the souls which would take nothing less than "another" tier 0 to bypass.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
I mean last I've seen Ultima agrees with LotR having tier 0 hax since a tier 0 being is actively sustaining the existence of the souls which would take nothing less than "another" tier 0 to bypass.
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Proof plz.

And even then, that's just Tier 0 Soul resistance
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:

It's still resistance to any sort of destruction of the soul and that you can't really destroy a deeper aspect than soul either.
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He neither agrees nor disagrees. So that basis can't really be used, plus Udl explains it perfectly.


Even with Tier 0 gone, it being High 1-A+ hax resistance is still Crazy... and Tolkienverse Will ALWAYS be my #1 verse Ever. It is pure perfection in worldbuilding and Story

But even with High 1-A+ Soul resistance, doesn't mean their Concept/Information, etc can't be tampered with. They just exist as a soul without being able to do anything.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
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He neither agrees nor disagrees. So that basis can't really be used, plus Udl explains it perfectly.
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Had there been some avatar of Eru that cannot destroy sauron “tier 0” soul it would be okay for eru to stay tier 0.
but like this? clear anti feat vro 🥀 is lotr tier 0 outdated or?
 
Apotheosis69 said:
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He neither agrees nor disagrees. So that basis can't really be used, plus Udl explains it perfectly.


Even with Tier 0 gone, it being High 1-A+ hax resistance is still Crazy... and Tolkienverse Will ALWAYS be my #1 verse Ever. It is pure perfection in worldbuilding and Story

But even with High 1-A+ Soul resistance, doesn't mean their Concept/Information, etc can't be tampered with. They just exist as a soul without being able to do anything.
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High 1-A+ resistance still makes it nigh-immutable yea since only a tier 0 (for example if this is true across all possible worlds then it literally cant be destroyed by anyone else or else it runs into glaring problems) could destroy that still.
 
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For 1st 2-B and 2nd Low 2-C due to this guy High 1-A smurf.
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Bumping this
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
For 2-C, Wang Wei ***** slap Touhou and Anima characters with his new Saint key. I don't know if he can take on Oryx.
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Probably not Onyx, no. IIRC dude has absurd layers due to, iirc, "fighting and adapting for a prolonged time". Also has some abilities that WW doesn't resist, like math (?) manip (altho tbh Yin-Yang and Runes are kinda math but eh). Maybe later on when WW either gets the 1-A shenanigans (Nothingness/Primordial Chaos/Future Version protecting him), or if he could get inf layers due to how the verse treats the whole "More range = more power, condensing it = even more power" and whole inf stuff.

Not to mention, iirc, Oryx is immune to fate manip due to being outside of causality/fate or transcending or whatever, so WW's main shtick is kinda screwed in a way.
 
Layers ain't shit if its not elaborated on how well it increases onces resistance
Also oryx adapting is very questionable since it only stated fighting for hundred thousand of years not specifically saying he was adapting all throughout the years
it could have been just him stomping for 799k year
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Layers ain't shit if its not elaborated on how well it increases onces resistance
Also oryx adapting is very questionable since it only stated fighting for hundred thousand of years not specifically saying he was adapting all throughout the years
it could have been just him stomping for 799k year
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That doesn't really stop him from getting layers off it though, the paracausal power he gets from his tithe and from killing his sisters (and both of them killing him, because they very much are comparable, even if they have different specialities) still grants him hax and resistances stomp or no stomp (because that's what measures layers, paracausal power, so guardians have like, idfk, i think i remember seeing anargument for like 40+ layers bare minimum, and the hive gods are laughably beyond them)
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Probably not Onyx, no. IIRC dude has absurd layers due to, iirc, "fighting and adapting for a prolonged time". Also has some abilities that WW doesn't resist, like math (?) manip (altho tbh Yin-Yang and Runes are kinda math but eh). Maybe later on when WW either gets the 1-A shenanigans (Nothingness/Primordial Chaos/Future Version protecting him), or if he could get inf layers due to how the verse treats the whole "More range = more power, condensing it = even more power" and whole inf stuff.

Not to mention, iirc, Oryx is immune to fate manip due to being outside of causality/fate or transcending or whatever, so WW's main shtick is kinda screwed in a way.
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Yeah once that happens he'll potentially have a chance, if bungee doesn't just shoot the lore in the back again or the head or finally decide to be based and make the Bungie Mythos even more real
 
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That doesn't really stop him from getting layers off it though, the paracausal power he gets from his tithe and from killing his sisters (and both of them killing him, because they very much are comparable, even if they have different specialities) still grants him hax and resistances stomp or no stomp (because that's what measures layers, paracausal power, so guardians have like, idfk, i think i remember seeing anargument for like 40+ layers bare minimum, and the hive gods are laughably beyond them)

Yeah once that happens he'll potentially have a chance, if bungee doesn't just shoot the lore in the back again or the head or finally decide to be based and make the Bungie Mythos even more real
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Then that just basically makes the layer potency based not pseudo quality.
Again the recent hax crt makes the hierarchy for potency layers and ranged vague allowing people to argue that certain hax depending on mechanics can trump one with layers or so
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Then that just basically makes the layer potency based not pseudo quality.
Again the recent hax crt makes the hierarchy for potency layers and ranged vague allowing people to argue that certain hax depending on mechanics can trump one with layers or so
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No? Having an energy source be the source of layers and stuff, with the number of layers being based on how much of said energy you have, doesn't make it potency-based, and neither do the revisions actually affect said powers beyond just making the metaphyiscal stuff no longer 4D, but either way, its still all been accepted here, with WHYNAUTs posts on the matter here (but if you don't want to check, destiiny layers are quite literally the most explicit thing ever, even outside of stuff like Akka neg diffing Auryx before he killed his sisters, it is quite literally a gameplay mechanic that is core in multiple raids (see King's Fall for example, where your literal only way to do anything to Oryx is to steal his own sword logic and turn it against him), in addition to existing in normal gameplay, with enemies 50 power level above your own being wholly immune to everything you do, hax or no hax, game literally saying "immune" and everything)
 
now that umeinko got upgraded what spot would they have in 1A. Not sure how high they are but they have stuff like always ascending in levels of reality.
 
I guess 4th? Judging from what I've seen about hypnos/yog, and them being very outdated in the tier

Currently I think it's for characters such as featherine and peak Maria,who would exist aboveall things in the heirarchy. Or something along those lines
 
So, shouldn't The Law of Identity be the Top 2 in the High 1-A list? Just below World of Darkness since it's High 1-A+ (Type 2) as in like Impossible Worlds and like NEP2 + Acausality Type 5 xd

Akuto should be below since his hax on his last key seems bad but he's still High 1-A+ (Type 1/2) regardless since he scales from TLOI

Japanese fiction were meant to triumph against chinese fictions!
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
now that umeinko got upgraded what spot would they have in 1A. Not sure how high they are but they have stuff like always ascending in levels of reality.
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Enter_Bluey said:
I guess 4th? Judging from what I've seen about hypnos/yog, and them being very outdated in the tier

Currently I think it's for characters such as featherine and peak Maria,who would exist aboveall things in the heirarchy. Or something along those lines
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Have the Layers into 1-A they are been upgraded?

Honestly I don't remember how far into 1-A they are.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Have the Layers into 1-A they are been upgraded?

Honestly I don't remember how far into 1-A they are.
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Yeah, it got upgraded along with their tier. Currently it's something like "unknown, but very high into 1A" for some of the higher end characters. City of books transcends a lot within the ladder of layers, which at the least ad-infinitum from what I understand. So much higher than a lot of the spots

(Would not be surprised if the upcoming revisions add high 1A to some of this tho)
 
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Yeah, it got upgraded along with their tier. Currently it's something like "unknown, but very high into 1A" for some of the higher end characters. City of books transcends a lot within the ladder of layers, which at the least ad-infinitum from what I understand. So much higher than a lot of the spots

(Would not be surprised if the upcoming revisions add high 1A to some of this tho)
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Would that not be 1-A+?


Either way, we know Hypnos and (Yog-Sothoth) Umr' a Tawil and the verse will be heavily nerfed.

And the Axiom of Megami Tensei is being proposed as Tier 0.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Would that not be 1-A+?


Either way, we know Hypnos and (Yog-Sothoth) Umr' a Tawil and the verse will be heavily nerfed.

And the Axiom of Megami Tensei is being proposed as Tier 0.
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Seems not, since the thread was swayed Ultimas vote of this not qualifying for 1-A+. But it looks like either way 4th will me a comfortable spot for now given the other spots
 
From the moving of Cthulhu Mythos characters and Megami Tensei, it seems so that Umineko characters. More specifically the top God Tiers like Featherine and esp Maria Ushiromiya, can be 4th place.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Had there been some avatar of Eru that cannot destroy sauron “tier 0” soul it would be okay for eru to stay tier 0.
but like this? clear anti feat vro 🥀 is lotr tier 0 outdated or?
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No, Eru being "unable" to destroy Sauron's soul is because of logical omnipotence, which Tier 0 is fine with.

Eru guarantees the inviolability of souls and free-wills as part of his Únati, inviolable laws. Eru destroying a soul means that Eru is no longer guaranteeing their inviolability. It is not logically consistent that a soul can be both sustained and destroyed by the source at the same time, it would be a performance of two opposite things at once and therefore contradictory or nonsense (illogical)

The point came up in the revision thread and I worded it better there somewhere. And even then, the statement isn't likely to be 100% true either since Eru can bypass his own foundations (much as there is a statement of Eru being able to bypass the barrier of unwill despite that too being inviolable by as an Únati). Meaning it's debatable whether he's a logical omnipotent or not (not that it matters for Tier 0 again).

...though the Holy Spirit may send the fire down somewhere else. God cannot be limited (even by his own Foundations)... and may use any channel for His grace. – Letter 250
 
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Truths erase and send you to the depths of oblivion, which encompasses the human and witch domain. So to my understanding at least right now, very high into 1-A in terms of layers as well.
 
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