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I mean, it seems like he gains more abilities, gets faster and stronger as time goes on, that seems like something that would be worth a new key.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Who is the strongest Dragon? 
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GarouWho is the strongest Dragon?
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I'm still shocked you believe he has power null, no offense.
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Garou or Tatsumaki.Who is the strongest Dragon?
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Your first point says nothing, I was specifically talking about blast being on earth, which is where psykorochi existed. You can't pretend like the divine beasts are stronger than psykorochi based on the fact that he didn't show up for psykorochi, because blast did not know about the existence of psykorochi.
And your second doesn't even make sense. He literally saw the portals opening, he definitely would know what a portal opening like that means. He didn't "sense" anything. Also your point is directly contradicted by the fact that he never knew the other beast entered the planet and that saitama already killed it.
Nothing about blast protecting the earth against the divine beasts scale them above psykorochi
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What makes you think he doesn't?
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Well, to go off of your reasoning:
Your whole idea behind Saitama getting Power Nullification is due to the fact that Blast supposedly "confirms" or more so hints towards Saitama is able to release God's power and he isn't able to, even though we see this EXACT same thing occur and we thought nothing of it, so why is it different now?
What Blast was really saying is that, despite him trying everything to weaken Empty Void to, most likely, be able to save him from God's manipulation (although he did kind of doubt if he would ever become human again), he could never actually take out God's power from Void, which from the same panel we can see the injury that put EV into a coma was towards the arm.
However, the whole point of this "feat" is that Saitama was just much more stronger and actually hit him in the face, just like Garou.
Saitama hitting Garou directly in the face, full on broke the "seal" (or whatever you wanna call it), which then led to God's power leaving Garou. which the narrative emphasizes this fact.
There's no reason to assume that Saitama, who JUST fought a much more stronger version of Garou, went back in the past and just, for SOME unknown reason, gained the ability to power null God's power out of people, that's ridiculous.
Side Note: For anybody who supports this idea and is observative on the manga, they also might point out that Saitama did the same thing here yet God's power never actually came out. Well, he didn't really do it to the extent that he did it to a WEAKER version of Garou. If you look at both panels, Saitama kind of broke the "mask" part of the face, while Saitama after time travelling, broke a lot more of Cosmic Garou's face and a lot more shards is spread. With these implications and correlations in mind, it would make it more consistent that Saitama's strength was a big factor here.
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Also to add onto this, why should Blast be the main source of information here? If Blast hypothetically took out God's power, would he then have Power Nullification? Blast was just trying to take it out by just making him more injured.
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We thought nothing of it because just because you see something that lacks statement and certainty doesn't mean anything. It had only happened one and we didn't even know if it was Saitama or God that released it.
This is wrong. Blast says no matter how much he overwhelmed(overpowered etc.) him, it didn't made him lose the abilities.
Also that photo doesn't say the attack that put him into coma was an attack to his arm lmao. It's a moment in their fight, why believe it's the end point where he gets into coma lmao. Also this image definitely doesn't show it like an attack to the arm.
Blast fought multiple opponents with divine power, some that are weak and some that are strong. There are ones that Blast defeats with a single attack.
The difference of the strength isn't the main point. Also "narrative emphasizes this fact" what? Not in any way that narrative implies anything related to God's power.
Unknown reason? he who broke his limiter and in a constant evolution state. He does gain abilities. So why is it weird to think that seeing him do something he wasn't capable of before is something he gained via RE?
Yeah, it's not like Blast is a reliable person who fought multiple God's avatar and fighting him for 20 years or anything. Nor he was doing tests and research etc. It's not like he has knowledge of divine power or can see the level of divinity etc etc.
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What do you mean...? We literally KNOW what it looks like when God takes back his OWN power or releases it. Did you not read literally one of the biggest fights in the manga??? Also, the whole thesis behind this line of thought is BECAUSE of Blast being uncertain on how Saitama exactly did it.
Seems like somebody didn't read the chapter. Let's say what he says verbatim. (Also apparently I linked the wrong panel, sorry about that.)
"It doesn't matter how much I tried to suppress Void, I couldn't take God's power out of him."
To suppress is to do the opposite of growing or to develop. Do I REALLY need to say more?
That little image itself doesn't say it yeah, but you wanna know who does? Blast! who says:
"It doesn't matter how much I tried to suppress Void, I couldn't take God's power out of him."
Which, when in thought, he imagines (or could just be the story itself showing us that, doesn't really matter) that SPECIFIC scene where he attacks Void, which would drive a correlation between the two. This is also shown in the retconned chapter which although is irrelevant, does show consistency with what the intent is. It's not a random moment in the fight or anything, otherwise what would've stopped the narrative showing something else, especially since we see him get heavily injured.
As for the scene when he was in the recovery capsule...it literally cuts off his arms and only really shows us the upper-part/the shoulders, which we also only see the top side of them, not the sides or anything.
You mean the beasts? You sure? Otherwise he would've just completely killed them by now, plus he got help from EV.
You misunderstand. The difference in strength IS the point because Saitama grows in strength all the time, unless you wanna say he stays stagnant (bye bye multiplier CRT lol)
Also again, you aren't understanding. I never said that scan is related to God's power, I said that the scan is related to WHY the seal got broken, which is the "punch, that got abnormally powered up on a moon of jupiter". You aren't even listening to what I'm saying, which is kinda disappointing.
These "abilities" that he gains are more so superhuman-like. If you look at his ability page right now, most of them aren't even hax, let alone impressive ones (the abilities themselves aren't TOO impressive but they are via his unparalleled strength). None of them even come close to being tied in with something like "Power Nullification", they're just insane superhuman-esque abilities, like his BFR isn't even BFR like Blast's but just punching someone into space, or his breath attack, or his superhuman precision, and etc. The only time he actually gains abilities out of the ordinary is when he copies Garou's technique, which he has never done before and can't even do again.
I'm not saying Blast is unreliable, you got it wrong. I'm just saying why is he being used at all? What he has said and done so far isn't even close enough to be considered as legitimate evidence for why Saitama should have it and not POTENIALLY (big big BIG emphasis on potentially, because he most likely can't) him instead?
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https://cubari moe/read/imgur/TJrRvOS/1/1/
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Oh yeah and Blast doing research on monsters and stuff is retconned lmao
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I didn't say we don't know what it looks like but the reason of why it happened there. We knew how it looked, but lacked statement and certainty.
I don't read the fan english version but raws. Translation is wrong there.
The word used is 圧倒する which is overwhelm/overpower etc.
He says no matter how much he overpowered him.
Look at his chest and stomach, to any part of his body. Injuries are all over the body. (Is his stomach even there lmao)
The statement is translated wrong + Blast's statement doesn't imply anything like that. It's just an example of his overpowering.
Not the beasts. Do you think the only people Blast fought who had divine power is "Garou" and "Void"? lmao. They knew you can get divine power even if you don't completely accept God's hand, they know how much divine power is considered extreme etc etc. He also knew it's effects on the people.
Also the reasonings for not killing is kinda dumb rn. Blast showed vast superiority against those creatures. Maybe they regen over time etc. Thinking that Blast's team couldn't handle them doesn't make sense (saying it based on logic, maybe they really didn't handle them or something.)
Did you even read what i wrote lmao. Saitama getting stronger is a known fact, but that doesn't mean "Difference in strength = can take divine power out".You misunderstand. The difference in strength IS the point because Saitama grows in strength all the time, unless you wanna say he stays stagnant (bye bye multiplier CRT lol)
Also again, you aren't understanding. I never said that scan is related to God's power, I said that the scan is related to WHY the seal got broken, which is the "punch, that got abnormally powered up on a moon of jupiter". You aren't even listening to what I'm saying, which is kinda disappointing.
I'm not even sure about what you mean by "this scan is related to why the seal got broken" when it's not saying anything relevant.
Oh but just say "you didn't listen right" so it makes someone look right yeah.
Saitama always growing in strength doesn't make it the reason. Dunno why you'd think that. It would apply to any character who fights against someone weaker but has divine power.
Interacting with spirits, entering spirit world by force, moving hyperspace gates. Anything in the willpower page etc etc.
You're not saying Blast is unreliable but saying why would he be used at all... Do you even read what you write there? Both mean that he can't be used for this situation.
Also "POTENTIALLY" comparison sucks here. It can be used for literally anything. Saitama is stronger than King is a known fact but "POTENTIALLY king just fools everyone and hides his true strength even from the narrative, So we shouldn't say Saitama > King."
It's not. Sitch stated they research and test the "Cube", plannings against God etc.
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Base Mumen Rider is no joke, He will receive a nice boost to his skill level.
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Forte and every Class A and many other characters go to a nice probable low end increase Relativistic + or Ftl
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Around speed of sound considering the ones that Sonic fought d:
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The Machine God is not limited to Mach 3 but he started attacking at that speed because he underestimated Sonic and in fact he died instantly
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he said in his dialogue right "i will start from mach 3 speed" so he can go even faster only he started from the lowest speed i repeat underestimating sonic
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Sonic has a reputation of being an S-class threat in the series though :d
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what can I tell you friend it seems that the robot simply tested Sonic starting at Mach 3 underestimating Sonic's killer instinct which then killed him quite easily dodging every attack without problems and killing him
The robot imo didn't expect that despite his reputation Sonic could practically defeat him without any problems and therefore he couldn't use him as a test subject.
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the fact remains that the bot simply took Sonic as a test subject not expecting to die easily and be defeated so therefore it can surely go significantly faster if it fought immediately from its maximum speed
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Brother, what about it is ambiguous? You're basically saying that when Saitama punched Garou, God, who (not even that long ago) gave Garou said powers, just decided to take them back for some reason. If we "know" how it looks, yet you wanna say it can take different forms, then thats YOUR burden to prove that is indeed the case, right now you're just saying maybe's or what if's.
To "overpower" IS to suppress, both mean to take a huge action and overall counter the opponent utterly. Both mean you are indeed stronger if you capable of suppressing or overpowering something. Even so, this would be saying that Human EV > Monster EV, which is just narratively wrong. Japanese is not that cut and dry.
I never said or implied the injury was ONLY to his arm, but can you be more specific? He looks "fine" to me besides some cracks and bruising. (Yes, it's hard to see but the white stuff is his skin and the black stuff is likely his armor, if you look at the shoulder region it should be easier to tell)
It could be. I will give you this, but to be fair, to put someone in a coma (I'm more so referring to fiction) is to do one big move or ability on them which then knocks them out or shortly later on. (which would explain why he's still alive, makes no sense if he got knocked out in the battlefield unless Blast left him there)
No? Why would you assume that? And if not the beasts, whom are you referring to? Void was never knocked out in a single hit, nor was Garou. Even then, All 4 entities (the dragon-looking monster as the 4th) would be (likely) around the same level of power BESIDES Garou, who God had an extreme liking towards. (making him his avatar) But even then, I'm still confused on how this is relevant to what I said originally:
I was more so alluding to that Saitama at different periods of time has fought differently strong opponents, sorry if that wasn't clear. Like I said before, Saitama's whole reasoning for being able to do this is BECAUSE of what we see with Garou. So far you haven't even proven why this is the case. Once Saitama was ABSURDLY strong enough, which again the narrative does indeed say this, he was able to break Garou's seal off entirely, which then made the power leave him. Do you want to use that "oh-so ambiguous!" argument and say that God took the power from Void instead?
It literally does, I even quoted it for you. Also, passive aggressive much? Don't need to act like a dick when I already fed you the information needed for my view. What else more do you need? An author statement lmao? Either way, if you want clarity just ASK for it and I'll refeed you the same stuff I said before OR you can just scroll back, it ain't that hard.
Never said this.
NPI, NPI, NPI, not relevant. Tbh, his NPI is more so narrative "toon-force" if you think about it. (Which is why he's confirmed to be a gag character)
But if you wanna not use that reasoning, there's the statement of him "deviating from the physical laws of this universe as a result of muscle training" by Murata, which would explain why he's able to do so. Other than that, there's nothing special. Sorry.
Him being called UNRELIABLE means I'm saying he shouldn't be used BECAUSE he's not relevant or not important for the situation.
What I'm saying is that he is INDEED reliable but isn't important because what he has done and said so far doesn't AT ALL connect with what you're saying, you're just saying this just to point out irrelevant semantics. PLEASE stop derailing the discussion.
Irrelevant and not analogous. WOG confirms that King is just a regular human + King himself confirms he's a regular human. Again, please stop derailing the discussion and bringing up red herrings. What you're saying here doesn't match up nor counter my point. Answer my question that I have asked you and then I'll reconsider.
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Even your point doesn't match up with your point, nor you added anything i didn't answer.Brother, what about it is ambiguous? You're basically saying that when Saitama punched Garou, God, who (not even that long ago) gave Garou said powers, just decided to take them back for some reason. If we "know" how it looks, yet you wanna say it can take different forms, then thats YOUR burden to prove that is indeed the case, right now you're just saying maybe's or what if's.
To "overpower" IS to suppress, both mean to take a huge action and overall counter the opponent utterly. Both mean you are indeed stronger if you capable of suppressing or overpowering something. Even so, this would be saying that Human EV > Monster EV, which is just narratively wrong. Japanese is not that cut and dry.
I never said or implied the injury was ONLY to his arm, but can you be more specific? He looks "fine" to me besides some cracks and bruising. (Yes, it's hard to see but the white stuff is his skin and the black stuff is likely his armor, if you look at the shoulder region it should be easier to tell)
It could be. I will give you this, but to be fair, to put someone in a coma (I'm more so referring to fiction) is to do one big move or ability on them which then knocks them out or shortly later on. (which would explain why he's still alive, makes no sense if he got knocked out in the battlefield unless Blast left him there)
No? Why would you assume that? And if not the beasts, whom are you referring to? Void was never knocked out in a single hit, nor was Garou. Even then, All 4 entities (the dragon-looking monster as the 4th) would be (likely) around the same level of power BESIDES Garou, who God had an extreme liking towards. (making him his avatar) But even then, I'm still confused on how this is relevant to what I said originally:
I was more so alluding to that Saitama at different periods of time has fought differently strong opponents, sorry if that wasn't clear. Like I said before, Saitama's whole reasoning for being able to do this is BECAUSE of what we see with Garou. So far you haven't even proven why this is the case. Once Saitama was ABSURDLY strong enough, which again the narrative does indeed say this, he was able to break Garou's seal off entirely, which then made the power leave him. Do you want to use that "oh-so ambiguous!" argument and say that God took the power from Void instead?
It literally does, I even quoted it for you. Also, passive aggressive much? Don't need to act like a dick when I already fed you the information needed for my view. What else more do you need? An author statement lmao? Either way, if you want clarity just ASK for it and I'll refeed you the same stuff I said before OR you can just scroll back, it ain't that hard.
Never said this.
NPI, NPI, NPI, not relevant. Tbh, his NPI is more so narrative "toon-force" if you think about it. (Which is why he's confirmed to be a gag character)
But if you wanna not use that reasoning, there's the statement of him "deviating from the physical laws of this universe as a result of muscle training" by Murata, which would explain why he's able to do so. Other than that, there's nothing special. Sorry.
Him being called UNRELIABLE means I'm saying he shouldn't be used BECAUSE he's not relevant or not important for the situation.
What I'm saying is that he is INDEED reliable but isn't important because what he has done and said so far doesn't AT ALL connect with what you're saying, you're just saying this just to point out irrelevant semantics. PLEASE stop derailing the discussion.
Irrelevant and not analogous. WOG confirms that King is just a regular human + King himself confirms he's a regular human. Again, please stop derailing the discussion and bringing up red herring. What you're saying here doesn't match up nor counter my point. Answer my question that I have asked you and then I'll reconsider.
Expect that statement about "deviating from the laws of physics of the universe". It is a tweet to a video about Saitama's travel between Moon and Earth and talking about how extreme it was etc. He refers to the video and currently isn't an usable statement.
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I like how it shows Mumen Rider has put in an absurd amount of effort in dabbling in as many martial arts as possible in order to build a style compatible with himself while being talentless in most of them. Meanwhile, Suiryu is an absurd genius who quickly mastered his one martial art and started mowing down everything in his path with it.
Satoru's fighting style is a huge mess while Suiryu's is as polished as it gets.
Shows the difference between proper tutoring and talent vs pure chaotic struggle.
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yeah, it seems the correct translation is that Blast kept overpowering void, but nothing worked on getting gods influence out.
So yeah, Blast was much stronger than Void. And wizardwhateverusername is just trying to cherry pick to fit things into his blatantly incorrect idea.
So yeah, Blast was much stronger than Void. And wizardwhateverusername is just trying to cherry pick to fit things into his blatantly incorrect idea.
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WizardPowers ain't a hard name to remember.
Also, I'm not? I simply just disagreed with power null for Saitama. Nothing I've said so far is cherry picking and instead introducing a new reason as to why he doesn't have it, which is just Saitama being strong enough to do such a thing in the first place. First it was Garou, now it was Void. It's not that hard to connect the dots.
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Again, prove so, otherwise you're just yammering on and not actually trying to prove anything LOL. You're just acting like you're right when you haven't answered anything. Each point corresponds to each thing you said and I've even said "yeah, you're right" at one point and corrected you on other points. You're just not willing to actually accept criticism.
Whenever you're willing to make that CRT tho, make sure to ping me.
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Lmao, i just didn't write a long answer because i have to sleep and go to school iAgain, prove so, otherwise you're just yammering on and not actually trying to prove anything LOL. You're just acting like you're right when you haven't answered anything. Each point corresponds to each thing you said and I've even said "yeah, you're right" at one point and corrected you on other points. You're just not willing to actually accept criticism.
Whenever you're willing to make that CRT tho, make sure to ping me.
after 4.5 hours (i was also lazy, will just see it when crt is made ig)
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Ah, my bad then, I apologize. Get some rest.
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A lot of hax only works in universe lol
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But not all. "Hax" like this is specifically stated to be working on beings with divine powers in OPM, meaning fighting someone outside the universe with abilities unrelated to divine powers doesn't work. Even if their powers are divine-related, you can still make the argument that it doesn't work.
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So another Blast mention in webcomic
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