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Resident evil (OG) Upgrade Scale

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We have the result where El Gigante smashing a rock gives us an 8-C+ result, but I wonder why the Boss-level enemies in the events from Resident Evil 4 to the present haven’t been scaled to be above El Gigante.

Calc:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shmeatywerbenmanjenson/El_Gigante_Smashes_a_Rock

El Gigante doesn’t seem to have any real reason to be considered Top Tier even in its own game. It is only described as "extremely powerful and durable against regular gunfire, difficult to control, and produced in very limited numbers."

https://www.projectumbrella.net/biohazard-4-kaitai-shinsho.html#:~:text=powerful%20strength%20and%20toughness%20allow%20them%20to%20shrug%20off%20common%20gunfire.%20However%2C%20just%20like%20with%20Del%20Lago%2C%20they're%20highly%20aggressive%20and%20difficult%20to%20control.%20Only%20a%20few%20of%20these%20creatures%20were%20produced%20as%20a%20result

In the game, we encounter El Gigante four times, and we can defeat it without much difficulty.

1. The first time, we receive help from a dog we saved earlier in the game (even if we don't help the dog, we can still defeat it alone easily).


2. The second time, we have to fight it while protecting Ashley. In this round, we can use 2-3 rocks to help (and just like in the first case).


3. The third time, we face two of them simultaneously, one normal and one armored. We can use Lava to kill one, but while fighting the other, we must avoid getting caught by the second one (and just like in the first and second cases, even without any help, we can defeat them without much difficulty).



Leon seems to defeat them without much trouble, even when protecting Ashley or fighting two at once (as long as Leon uses his agility to dodge their attacks). Additionally, the feats shown by El Gigante are only killing several Ganados at once and smashing a rock (which is not a reason to scale El Gigante as Top Tier, even though it has the largest result in the story, not counting the size calculations of large B.O.W.s).

For all these reasons, I propose that the Boss-level enemies from Resident Evil 4 onwards should be scaled to be above El Gigante. But if the reasons provided for scaling them to El Gigante aren't convincing enough, I have additional support. Mendez in his second form is described as "a highly dangerous opponent, the biggest threat Leon has ever faced up until now," which clearly shows that El Gigante isn't much of a threat for Leon.

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/Kjpu473

So, which characters should be scaled?

https://www.projectumbrella.net/biohazard-4-kaitai-shinsho.html

Mendez First and Second Forms: I still think that the first form should also be scaled because he possesses the Dominant Plaga Species in his body. According to Krasuer’s explanation, this places him in the Superhuman category, and he is able to easily harm both Leon and Ada during the events of Resident Evil 4. Both of them should be significantly stronger than their Resident Evil 2 counterparts. His level of power should be above that of Tyrants and Nemesis, which are Umbrella’s B.O.W.s, known to have power comparable to that of the cult’s B.O.W.s (although, technically, El Gigante should be stronger than both of these).

https://www.projectumbrella.net/inside-of-biohazard-the-darkside-chronicles.html#:~:text=They%20also%20conducted%20advanced%20research%20and%20finally%20created%20Bio%20Organic%20Weapons%20with%20power%20equal%20to%20Umbrella%20B.O.W.'s

Additionally, Mendez should surpass G. William (the G-Virus mutant) who is also considered stronger than the Tyrant and Nemesis. Moreover, he is described as being loyal to Saddler, and his loss was somewhat disheartening for him, even though it was not easy to replace. (Saddler had already lost four El Gigante creatures, but it seemed to not concern him.) He also holds the False Eye, which is necessary to open the door to the castle.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Our_Plan#:~:text=the loss of my loyal men is a bit disheartening. But I will deal with it. Replacing that loss will not come easy

Krauser First and Second Forms: Krauser gains power from the Dominant Plaga Species and becomes Superhuman. He is significantly stronger than Leon in a knife fight, even though Leon can still injure him physically. Unlike El Gigante, Krauser should at least be scaled accordingly or at the very least be scaled similarly to El Gigante in his second form, based on his abilities and strength compared to Mendez in his second form.

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/ZKL8IMD

https://www.projectumbrella.net/inside-of-biohazard-the-darkside-chronicles.html

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Our_Plan

Verdugo: Verdugo is described as being extremely dangerous and should be scaled to at least the same level as El Gigante.

Salazar (Second Form): His second form is the result of the Queen Plaga assimilating both Salazar and another Verdugo, which should place him far above El Gigante in terms of threat and power. He should be scaled to High 8-C (Large Building level). His extending mouth part can one-shot Leon, and he also has the feat of destroying the ritual platform. Additionally, he is described similarly to Mendez in terms of danger and importance.



Saddler: As the final boss of Resident Evil 4, there is no reason he shouldn't be above El Gigante. He is capable of knocking Leon back with ease even before transforming. After being injured by Ada, he still manages to knock Ada unconscious during a brief lapse in her awareness. In his final form, he is referred to as “the master of all Plagas”, and therefore he should be scaled at least on par with El Gigante’s first and second forms, above Mendez (Second Form), and comparable to Salazar (Second Form).

Post-Resident Evil 4 Bosses:

Ndesu: Clearly superior to El Gigante by design and function.

U-8: Should scale to Ndesu and is likely far above Saddler in terms of power and durability.

Uroboros-based Bosses: These are described as the most dangerous B.O.W.s, specifically created to surpass both the T-Veronica and G-Virus B.O.W.s.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Jill_Valentine_(file)#:~:text=the most terrible bioweapon of all

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Tricell_Researcher_Miguel's_Journal_-_No._2#:~:text=Our%20current%20aim%20is%20to%20develop%20a%20virus%20that%20surpasses%20the%20potential%20of%20both%20the%20G-Virus%20and%20T-Veronica%20virus

Irving: Since he injected himself with a Dominant Plaga Species, his power level should be above U-8.

Other Boss Characters Post-Resident Evil 5: Additional bosses introduced after the events of Resident Evil 5 should also scale accordingly.

Main Character Upgrades:

It's unreasonable to set Leon (RE4)'s durability at only 0.364 tons. The idea that Leon can die from explosions is not reflective of the actual narrative, but merely a possible gameplay outcome. It shouldn't be used to limit his durability. Throughout gameplay, cutscenes, and supplementary material, the main characters have consistently shown that they can survive attacks from B.O.W.s on par with or stronger than El Gigante.

For example, in Resident Evil 6, both Chris and Piers survive a rocket launcher explosion even when their guard is down, without suffering major injury. This feat clearly supports a High 8-C (Large Building level) durability rating. This should not be considered an outlier. In fact, Chris had already demonstrated High 8-C durability back in Resident Evil 5, where he endured attacks from Pre-Uroboros Albert Wesker.

Characters like Leon, Jake, and Jill should scale accordingly.



Explosives, in principle, are stronger than most of the conventional weapons Leon uses throughout the game (not including the Rocket Launcher in RE4). At minimum, his durability should scale to El Gigante, and as the series progresses beyond RE4, his resilience and power should increase accordingly.

Leon has clearly shown that he grows stronger over time through training—this is evident from RE2, Operation Javier, RE4, and beyond. I also have supporting evidence to show this growth, just like with other characters such as Chris, Jill, and Rebecca, who also improve through rigorous training.

https://www.projectumbrella.net/inside-of-biohazard-the-darkside-chronicles.html#:~:text=After%20Leon%20spent%20four%20years%20brushing%20up%20on%20the%20combat%20skills%20he%20already%20had%2C%20combined%20with%20his%20practical%20knowledge%20and%20skills%20for%20facing%20B.O.W.'s%2C%20he%20now%20has%20extraordinarily%20high%20survival%20capabilities.%20Ironically%20though

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/H9u6Vum

Claiming that Leon in RE4 only has 0.364 tons of durability just because he can die to explosions is completely absurd. That outcome is a gameplay mechanic, not something that reflects his actual durability or power level in the narrative.

Main characters in RE6 and beyond, such as Chris, Leon, Jill, and Jake, should be scaled at least equal to El Gigante in both attack potency and durability. Some might say this sounds exaggerated, but I disagree.

Chris, for example, has shown that he can make Wesker bleed with a punch, even if it was during gameplay and after Wesker had been stunned by a rocket launcher. Still, it is consistent with cutscenes: Sheva, who is weaker and more exhausted at that point, was able to hold down Wesker when he was weakened. That makes it reasonable to assume Chris genuinely overpowered him physically at one point.

Jake also defeated Ustanak, a monster whose durability should be well beyond El Gigante’s, and he did so relatively easily. To assign these characters only 9-A+ attack potency feels completely unreasonable.





Moreover, in Resident Evil: Vendetta and Death Island, both Leon and Chris were able to fight Glenn and Maria one-on-one without weapons. These enemies were enhanced with the A-Virus, which is explicitly stated to create superior B.O.W.s compared to any previous virus. While this doesn’t mean all A-Virus-infected zombies are stronger than old B.O.W.s, characters like Glenn, Maria, and Diego are special exceptions.

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/HjQpRmf

Diego Gomez:
A cybernetically-enhanced human augmented by the A-Virus, Diego is extremely powerful. In the movie, he injures Chris severely with just two hits, despite Chris wearing bulletproof armor. Supplementary info confirms Diego could crush a human skull easily and survive more than 10 rocket launcher blasts.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Diego_Gómez#:~:text=Genetically%20Enhanced%20with%20the%20A-Virus%2C%20Diego's%20physical%20mass%20seemed%20to%20have%20been%20greatly%20enhanced%20by%20the%20virus%20making%20him%20incredibly%20strong

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/U6D54Uk

Glenn Arias:
In their first fight, Glenn easily defeats Chris without even going all out. In the second encounter, he almost kills him. Glenn was also enhanced with the A-Virus, just like Diego and Maria.

Maria Gomez – Scaling and Durability

Maria is explicitly stated to be a B.O.W. fundamentally different from Zombies and Ganados. She is a human enhanced with a virus, just like Albert Wesker, and is described as a "rare success" in viral augmentation.

In the movie, she survives a truck explosion with only minor injuries.

In the novel, she survives two hand grenades thrown at her while her guard was down.

Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/IVHLUAf

Additionally, all three—Diego, Glenn, and Maria—were able to survive the detonation of a high-performance explosive weighing 87 kilograms even before being injected with the virus.



Re upgrade https://imgur.com/gallery/icQG4TD

Therefore, these three (Maria, Diego, Glenn) should be significantly above El Gigante and scaled at least to Pre-Uroboros Wesker levels, if not beyond.

Additionally, the Resident Evil verse may potentially reach 8-B scaling based on these three feats, which I consider seismic-type attacks:

The alligator zombie from RE: Darkside Chronicles: Caused tremors in the underground sewers of the city, strong enough for Leon, Claire, and Sherry to feel. Plaster fragments fell, and Claire even questioned whether it was an earthquake. Although Leon denied it, the overall effect resembled a seismic-type attack.

(I’m not sure whether this is considered canon or not)

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxol3wsZsFlDeNp2VHYRIYtmDsxhsvwkHy?si=hXsCq_Hj8Kx-MDXn

V-Complex from RE: Darkside Chronicles: Caused tremors in the underground warehouse, strong enough for Leon, Krauser, and Manuela to feel, with debris falling as well.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxxieUqBP51ivHljRqYgB8dgsJsiXYAlYs?si=Z4Hd-C3Fh2P8TnA5

U-3 from RE4: Caused tremors in a deep cave, strong enough for Leon to feel, and fragments of rock fell.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2gzgHBAsSTNwmU4ny4RdAqXG1f3gyIFF?si=Xuj7RZauE-uwnsD6

If all three of these pass, then the following characters from later events should be scaled accordingly:

RE4: El Gigante, Verdugo, Mendez, Krauser, Verdugo, Saddler

RE5: Uroboros Boss, Ndesu, U-8, Irving, Uroboros Aheri, Albert Wesker

RE6: Deborah Harper, Brzak, Iluzija, Ustanak, Ogroman, Derek Simmons, HAOS

RE7: Eveline Final Form, Jack Baker 2nd to 3rd Form

RE8: Miranda, Alcina, Moreau, Heisenberg, Rosemary Winters

RE Degeneration: G-Curtis

RE Infinite Darkness: Tyrant Jason

RE Damnation: Tyrant

RE Vendetta - Death Island: Glenn Arias, Maria Gomez, Diego Gomez, Monster Dylan

RE Revelations: Malacoda Whale, Jack Norman

RE Revelations 2: Monster Neil, Monster Alex

And main characters post-RE4: Leon (RE4 to Death Island), Chris (Revelations to 8), Jill (Revelations to Death Island), Claire (Revelations 2 to Death Island), Rebecca (Vendetta to Death Island), Sheva (RE5), Piers (RE6), Jake (RE6), Sherry (RE6), Ada (RE4 to 6), Barry (Revelations 2), Ethan Winters (7 to 8)

Conclusion: Based on all the presented evidence, it is clear that the Resident Evil universe demonstrates a much higher level of physical capability in both characters and B.O.W.s than often initially estimated. The scaling of power and durability should take into account contextual elements, narrative feats, gameplay, cutscenes, and supplemental materials to provide a fair and accurate representation of the characters’ true potential within the franchise.

Thanks!
 
Wish you'd actually ask in the discussion thread about certain topics before making CRTs... El Gigante isn't considered Top tier and plenty other games already scale to High 8-C via their own feats, the El Gigante feat is only 8-C+ so characters like Wesker and Aheri you mentioned already upscale them or have their own feats that give them their tiers.
Leon seems to defeat them without much trouble, even when protecting Ashley or fighting two at once (as long as Leon uses his agility to dodge their attacks). Additionally, the feats shown by El Gigante are only killing several Ganados at once and smashing a rock (which is not a reason to scale El Gigante as Top Tier, even though it has the largest result in the story, not counting the size calculations of large B.O.W.s).

For all these reasons, I propose that the Boss-level enemies from Resident Evil 4 onwards should be scaled to be above El Gigante. But if the reasons provided for scaling them to El Gigante aren't convincing enough, I have additional support. Mendez in his second form is described as "a highly dangerous opponent, the biggest threat Leon has ever faced up until now," which clearly shows that El Gigante isn't much of a threat for Leon.
not how that works, this isn't dragon ball or something where the next villains to show are suddenly stronger than the next or where our character undergo significant stat upgrades thus upscaling those who they face later so we shouldn't treat it as such. There is no real reason outside of your own headcanons to even remotely consider that line of thinking.
Mendez First and Second Forms: I still think that the first form should also be scaled because he possesses the Dominant Plaga Species in his body. According to Krasuer’s explanation, this places him in the Superhuman category, and he is able to easily harm both Leon and Ada during the events of Resident Evil 4. Both of them should be significantly stronger than their Resident Evil 2 counterparts. His level of power should be above that of Tyrants and Nemesis, which are Umbrella’s B.O.W.s, known to have power comparable to that of the cult’s B.O.W.s (although, technically, El Gigante should be stronger than both of these).

https://www.projectumbrella.net/inside-of-biohazard-the-darkside-chronicles.html#:~:text=They%20also%20conducted%20advanced%20research%20and%20finally%20created%20Bio%20Organic%20Weapons%20with%20power%20equal%20to%20Umbrella%20B.O.W.'s

Additionally, Mendez should surpass G. William (the G-Virus mutant) who is also considered stronger than the Tyrant and Nemesis. Moreover, he is described as being loyal to Saddler, and his loss was somewhat disheartening for him, even though it was not easy to replace. (Saddler had already lost four El Gigante creatures, but it seemed to not concern him.) He also holds the False Eye, which is necessary to open the door to the castle.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Our_Plan#:~:text=the loss of my loyal men is a bit disheartening. But I will deal with it. Replacing that loss will not come easy
"Should" is headcanon, there is no evidence or concrete reasoning provided that says he "should" scale above them at all and unlike El Gigante who was a brute who killed their own goons and just raged around, Mendez was actually able to lead hordes of their guys and controlled the towns people and his district of town something El Gigante can not do as its raging unintelligent mess so that would of course make Mendez more valuable than a pure brainless brute.

Krauser First and Second Forms: Krauser gains power from the Dominant Plaga Species and becomes Superhuman. He is significantly stronger than Leon in a knife fight, even though Leon can still injure him physically. Unlike El Gigante, Krauser should at least be scaled accordingly or at the very least be scaled similarly to El Gigante in his second form, based on his abilities and strength compared to Mendez in his second form.
Check Krauser's Durability he already upscales El Gigante, in fact here I'll post it below:
Building level (Krauser's body survived this explosion), Large Building level with his mutated arm (Can block shots from Leon's rocket launcher, which would put him above El Gigante)
Post-Resident Evil 4 Bosses:

Ndesu: Clearly superior to El Gigante by design and function.

U-8: Should scale to Ndesu and is likely far above Saddler in terms of power and durability.

Uroboros-based Bosses: These are described as the most dangerous B.O.W.s, specifically created to surpass both the T-Veronica and G-Virus B.O.W.s.

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Jill_Valentine_(file)#:~:text=the most terrible bioweapon of all

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Tricell_Researcher_Miguel's_Journal_-_No._2#:~:text=Our%20current%20aim%20is%20to%20develop%20a%20virus%20that%20surpasses%20the%20potential%20of%20both%20the%20G-Virus%20and%20T-Veronica%20virus

Irving: Since he injected himself with a Dominant Plaga Species, his power level should be above U-8.

Other Boss Characters Post-Resident Evil 5: Additional bosses introduced after the events of Resident Evil 5 should also scale accordingly.

Main Character Upgrades:
Provide actual evidence for any of this scaling
Therefore, these three (Maria, Diego, Glenn) should be significantly above El Gigante and scaled at least to Pre-Uroboros Wesker levels, if not beyond.

Additionally, the Resident Evil verse may potentially reach 8-B scaling based on these three feats, which I consider seismic-type attacks:

The alligator zombie from RE: Darkside Chronicles: Caused tremors in the underground sewers of the city, strong enough for Leon, Claire, and Sherry to feel. Plaster fragments fell, and Claire even questioned whether it was an earthquake. Although Leon denied it, the overall effect resembled a seismic-type attack.

(I’m not sure whether this is considered canon or not)



V-Complex from RE: Darkside Chronicles: Caused tremors in the underground warehouse, strong enough for Leon, Krauser, and Manuela to feel, with debris falling as well.



U-3 from RE4: Caused tremors in a deep cave, strong enough for Leon to feel, and fragments of rock fell.



If all three of these pass, then the following characters from later events should be scaled accordingly:

RE4: El Gigante, Verdugo, Mendez, Krauser, Verdugo, Saddler

RE5: Uroboros Boss, Ndesu, U-8, Irving, Uroboros Aheri, Albert Wesker

RE6: Deborah Harper, Brzak, Iluzija, Ustanak, Ogroman, Derek Simmons, HAOS

RE7: Eveline Final Form, Jack Baker 2nd to 3rd Form

RE8: Miranda, Alcina, Moreau, Heisenberg, Rosemary Winters

RE Degeneration: G-Curtis

RE Infinite Darkness: Tyrant Jason

RE Damnation: Tyrant

RE Vendetta - Death Island: Glenn Arias, Maria Gomez, Diego Gomez, Monster Dylan

RE Revelations: Malacoda Whale, Jack Norman

RE Revelations 2: Monster Neil, Monster Alex

provide actual proof for any of this, you can't because it doesn't exist FYI so I vehemently disagree with this CRT and the premise is already extremely fault from the start or doesn't even know the scaling that we already have on the profiles to begin with
 
Wish you'd actually ask in the discussion thread about certain topics before making CRTs... El Gigante isn't considered Top tier and plenty other games already scale to High 8-C via their own feats, the El Gigante feat is only 8-C+ so characters like Wesker and Aheri you mentioned already upscale them or have their own feats that give them their tiers.

not how that works, this isn't dragon ball or something where the next villains to show are suddenly stronger than the next or where our character undergo significant stat upgrades thus upscaling those who they face later so we shouldn't treat it as such. There is no real reason outside of your own headcanons to even remotely consider that line of thinking.

"Should" is headcanon, there is no evidence or concrete reasoning provided that says he "should" scale above them at all and unlike El Gigante who was a brute who killed their own goons and just raged around, Mendez was actually able to lead hordes of their guys and controlled the towns people and his district of town something El Gigante can not do as its raging unintelligent mess so that would of course make Mendez more valuable than a pure brainless brute.


Check Krauser's Durability he already upscales El Gigante, in fact here I'll post it below:


Provide actual evidence for any of this scaling

provide actual proof for any of this, you can't because it doesn't exist FYI so I vehemently disagree with this CRT and the premise is already extremely fault from the start or doesn't even know the scaling that we already have on the profiles to begin with
"I’ve already provided video clips as evidence. Please check them before claiming there’s no proof."
 
Bro it keeps on going....
Where's the proof for 95% of this? "Should" is not "is".
Also link the links properly.
 
"I’ve already provided video clips as evidence. Please check them before claiming there’s no proof."
dawg not a single scan says X goons is above El Gigante nor do they even correlate to what you're arguing. you're just showing individual separate feats for characters who literally have 0 relation to El Gigante or lore connecting them. Like be real what kind of scaling statements does Jack Baker in resident evil 7 in the middle of Louisiana have that he even knows or scales to El Gigante in spain in a Isolated incident never connected to each other separated by many years in-between
 
"I’ve already provided video clips as evidence. Please check them before claiming there’s no proof."
Dog, those videos arent sufficient, hard statements by reliable sources or direct 1:1 scaling is what we need. A lot of this is vibes ngl.
 
Dog, those videos arent sufficient, hard statements by reliable sources or direct 1:1 scaling is what we need. A lot of this is vibes ngl.
I'm truly sorry. The previous links are not accessible. I will compile the non-working links here:

Mendez:

Krauser:

Evidence that shows characters should become stronger through training:

A Virus:

Diego:

Maria's durability:https://imgur.com/gallery/IVHLUAf

Diego, Glenn, and Maria—were able to survive the detonation of a high-performance explosive weighing 87 kilograms even before being injected with the virus:https://imgur.com/gallery/icQG4TD
 
สุนัข วิดีโอพวกนั้นไม่เพียงพอ เราต้องการคำชี้แจงที่ชัดเจนจากแหล่งข้อมูลที่เชื่อถือได้หรือการปรับอัตราส่วน 1:1 โดยตรง สิ่งเหล่านี้ล้วนเป็นความรู้สึกดี

I'm truly sorry. The previous links are not accessible. I will compile the non-working links here:

Mendez:

Krauser:

Evidence that shows characters should become stronger through training:

A Virus:

Diego:

Maria's durability:https://imgur.com/gallery/IVHLUAf

Diego, Glenn, and Maria—were able to survive the detonation of a high-performance explosive weighing 87 kilograms even before being injected with the virus:https://imgur.com/gallery/icQG4TD

Additional Evidence Regarding the Training of Characters:https://imgur.com/gallery/Uk8wcMi
 
Gonna tackle these one by one
I'm truly sorry. The previous links are not accessible. I will compile the non-working links here:

Mendez:

This statement kinda exist in a void and should not be applicable to previous RE games so if this is where you're getting Mendez > G and Nemesis then this doesn't work however since El Gigate was fought prior to this in 4 it could work as a likely or possibly as greatest threat is a pretty broad term that can mean he's threatening in any number of ways that don't necessitate physical might alone.

Again you gotta listen, Krauser already upscales El Gigante I posted the quote from the profile already, please actually familiarize yourself with the profiles before commenting on certain things.
Evidence that shows characters should become stronger through training:

Nothing here suggest Rebecca is having some dragonball training effects where she is seeing significant state increases or scaling off of shit like El Gigante lol, they in fact say despite her training whoever she is fighting is not a normal person and that her attacks have no effect so it works in contrast your point

This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.

Not sure what this is supposed to showing, just says Diego got blown to bits by the weaponry which means he doesn't scale to it?
This again is a isolated statement that has nothing to do with El Gigante and just says the chick is somewhat Superhuman so it still doesn't prove why she would upscale
Diego, Glenn, and Maria—were able to survive the detonation of a high-performance explosive weighing 87 kilograms even before being injected with the virus:https://imgur.com/gallery/icQG4TD
Do you actually have a scan of them supposedly surviving this point blank? and even then 87kg of Explosives is just 0.0959 Tons of TNT (Small Building level) where the characters already scale being 9-B+ up to 9-A+ generally so it again does not prove anything and again has nothing to do with upscaling El Gigante

so again the premise of this CRT and characters all upscaling El Gigante is not something I can agree with as there is nothing besides vibes that you provided that really concretely if at all provides anything of substance to them scaling to any degree
 
Gonna tackle these one by one

This statement kinda exist in a void and should not be applicable to previous RE games so if this is where you're getting Mendez > G and Nemesis then this doesn't work however since El Gigate was fought prior to this in 4 it could work as a likely or possibly as greatest threat is a pretty broad term that can mean he's threatening in any number of ways that don't necessitate physical might alone.

Again you gotta listen, Krauser already upscales El Gigante I posted the quote from the profile already, please actually familiarize yourself with the profiles before commenting on certain things.

Nothing here suggest Rebecca is having some dragonball training effects where she is seeing significant state increases or scaling off of shit like El Gigante lol, they in fact say despite her training whoever she is fighting is not a normal person and that her attacks have no effect so it works in contrast your point

This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.

Not sure what this is supposed to showing, just says Diego got blown to bits by the weaponry which means he doesn't scale to it?

This again is a isolated statement that has nothing to do with El Gigante and just says the chick is somewhat Superhuman so it still doesn't prove why she would upscale

Do you actually have a scan of them supposedly surviving this point blank? and even then 87kg of Explosives is just 0.0959 Tons of TNT (Small Building level) where the characters already scale being 9-B+ up to 9-A+ generally so it again does not prove anything and again has nothing to do with upscaling El Gigante

so again the premise of this CRT and characters all upscaling El Gigante is not something I can agree with as there is nothing besides vibes that you provided that really concretely if at all provides anything of substance to them scaling to any degree
Did you read the full information about Diego? Because in the story, Diego didn't get killed by the RPG; he survived it and was only immobilized. He started recovering after that and was able to fight again. Later, he merged with Arias and became a stronger form. So, he wasn’t destroyed by the RPG but instead became even stronger afterward.
 
Gonna tackle these one by one

This statement kinda exist in a void and should not be applicable to previous RE games so if this is where you're getting Mendez > G and Nemesis then this doesn't work however since El Gigate was fought prior to this in 4 it could work as a likely or possibly as greatest threat is a pretty broad term that can mean he's threatening in any number of ways that don't necessitate physical might alone.

Again you gotta listen, Krauser already upscales El Gigante I posted the quote from the profile already, please actually familiarize yourself with the profiles before commenting on certain things.

Nothing here suggest Rebecca is having some dragonball training effects where she is seeing significant state increases or scaling off of shit like El Gigante lol, they in fact say despite her training whoever she is fighting is not a normal person and that her attacks have no effect so it works in contrast your point

This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.

Not sure what this is supposed to showing, just says Diego got blown to bits by the weaponry which means he doesn't scale to it?

This again is a isolated statement that has nothing to do with El Gigante and just says the chick is somewhat Superhuman so it still doesn't prove why she would upscale

Do you actually have a scan of them supposedly surviving this point blank? and even then 87kg of Explosives is just 0.0959 Tons of TNT (Small Building level) where the characters already scale being 9-B+ up to 9-A+ generally so it again does not prove anything and again has nothing to do with upscaling El Gigante

so again the premise of this CRT and characters all upscaling El Gigante is not something I can agree with as there is nothing besides vibes that you provided that really concretely if at all provides anything of substance to them scaling to any degree
And the feats I mentioned, have you seen them? I think this is quite interesting. Chris Redfield survived an RPG explosion, and I believe we should scale his durability to H8-C, along with his physical power. This shows that characters like him can withstand intense attacks and should be considered for a higher tier in evaluating their strength.
 
Did you read the full information about Diego? Because in the story, Diego didn't get killed by the RPG; he survived it and was only immobilized. He started recovering after that and was able to fight again. Later, he merged with Arias and became a stronger form. So, he wasn’t destroyed by the RPG but instead became even stronger afterward.
He was literally blown to its by it verbatim, he does not scale to something that can do that to him even if he survives it and regens from it. it does not change it one shot his body.
And the feats I mentioned, have you seen them? I think this is quite interesting. Chris Redfield survived an RPG explosion, and I believe we should scale his durability to H8-C, along with his physical power. This shows that characters like him can withstand intense attacks and should be considered for a higher tier in evaluating their strength.
The explosion does not directly hit Chris dead on so he does not scale to its full yield, it hits the elevator throwing them away
 
Gonna tackle these one by one

This statement kinda exist in a void and should not be applicable to previous RE games so if this is where you're getting Mendez > G and Nemesis then this doesn't work however since El Gigate was fought prior to this in 4 it could work as a likely or possibly as greatest threat is a pretty broad term that can mean he's threatening in any number of ways that don't necessitate physical might alone.

Again you gotta listen, Krauser already upscales El Gigante I posted the quote from the profile already, please actually familiarize yourself with the profiles before commenting on certain things.

Nothing here suggest Rebecca is having some dragonball training effects where she is seeing significant state increases or scaling off of shit like El Gigante lol, they in fact say despite her training whoever she is fighting is not a normal person and that her attacks have no effect so it works in contrast your point

This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.

Not sure what this is supposed to showing, just says Diego got blown to bits by the weaponry which means he doesn't scale to it?

This again is a isolated statement that has nothing to do with El Gigante and just says the chick is somewhat Superhuman so it still doesn't prove why she would upscale

Do you actually have a scan of them supposedly surviving this point blank? and even then 87kg of Explosives is just 0.0959 Tons of TNT (Small Building level) where the characters already scale being 9-B+ up to 9-A+ generally so it again does not prove anything and again has nothing to do with upscaling El Gigante

so again the premise of this CRT and characters all upscaling El Gigante is not something I can agree with as there is nothing besides vibes that you provided that really concretely if at all provides anything of substance to them scaling to any degree
His durability has been upgraded, which is good, but he should also receive an upgrade to his physical strength, as he is superior to El Gigante.
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Krauser's durability has been upgraded, which is good, but he should also receive an upgrade to his physical strength, as he is superior to El Gigante.
 
His durability has been upgraded, which is good, but he should also receive an upgrade to his physical strength, as he is superior to El Gigante.
he should not nothing suggest he is stronger than El Gigante specifcally, not a single scan you have provided says that he is
Krauser's durability has been upgraded, which is good, but he should also receive an upgrade to his physical strength, as he is superior to El Gigante.
You have yet to prove his attack potency scales above El Gigante
 
he should not nothing suggest he is stronger than El Gigante specifcally, not a single scan you have provided says that he is

You have yet to prove his attack potency scales above El Gigante
"You're talking as if El Gigante is a top-tier character in the verse, which is honestly pretty ridiculous. From what you're saying, you're acting like other characters can't scale to him—which is fine, I guess."
 
he should not nothing suggest he is stronger than El Gigante specifcally, not a single scan you have provided says that he is

You have yet to prove his attack potency scales above El Gigante
I have another point that seems very inconsistent. Ustanak was able to knock out Jake, who has building-level durability, yet he's only rated as 9-A. And Jake Muller, who managed to knock Ustanak into lava, is only rated 9-A+ in physical strength—that’s really strange. We should also upgrade the physical strength of the other main characters to 8-C as well.
 
"You're talking as if El Gigante is a top-tier character in the verse, which is honestly pretty ridiculous. From what you're saying, you're acting like other characters can't scale to him—which is fine, I guess."
No I'm not literally no evidence you provided has been concrete enough to support the claim that El Gigante was used as a metric for scaling for anyone you mentioned outside of Mendez who even then is dubious

I have another point that seems very inconsistent. Ustanak was able to knock out Jake, who has building-level durability, yet he's only rated as 9-A. And Jake Muller, who managed to knock Ustanak into lava, is only rated 9-A+ in physical strength—that’s really strange
This is THE FIRST and thing you've said that's actually substantial and that seems like it was an oversight both of them should scale to each other and be 8-C, I can agree there but still neither of them again as of yet have evidence saying they are > El Gigante
 
We should also upgrade the physical strength of the other main characters to 8-C as well.
Also Jake is > the other physically by a decent margin so no there is no backscaling
 
"I still have many questions. P30 Jill was able to take down both Chris and Sheva in RE5, yet her physical strength is rated as only 9-A+, which seems questionable. And Leon and Chris can fight on equal footing, yet their physical stats are also just 9-A+. That doesn’t make much sense."
Also Jake is > the other physically by a decent margin so no there is no backscaling
 
"I still have many questions. P30 Jill was able to take down both Chris and Sheva in RE5, yet her physical strength is rated as only 9-A+, which seems questionable. And Leon and Chris can fight on equal footing, yet their physical stats are also just 9-A+. That doesn’t make much sense."
What about that doesn't make sense? Jill just scales higher into 9-A+? And yeah two relative characters can harm each other.

Nothing there is out of the ordinary
 
What about that doesn't make sense? Jill just scales higher into 9-A+? And yeah two relative characters can harm each other.

Nothing there is out of the ordinary
"Didn't characters already get 8-C durability scaling since RE4? If so, why don't they have 8-C physical strength too, especially when they can visibly harm each other?"
 
What about that doesn't make sense? Jill just scales higher into 9-A+? And yeah two relative characters can harm each other.

Nothing there is out of the ordinary
Uroboros Wesker is rated at High 8-C.
Chris and Jill fought against him in Resident Evil 5.
Jill was thrown a great distance by Wesker, yet she was still able to get up and help Chris.
Chris also took several direct hits from Wesker during their fight.
And yet, neither of them is rated as having High 8-C durabil
ity.

feat here:
 
"Didn't characters already get 8-C durability scaling since RE4? If so, why don't they have 8-C physical strength too, especially when they can visibly harm each other?"
No only Krauser's 8-C dura comes from 4, apparently 8-C for everyone else is weird since it seems the 8-C dura comes from surviving a few hits from wesker albiet being seriously injured which would mean they shouldn't scale to him at all in that case

They'd just lose at most 8-C if they were seriously injured from a few hits of Wesker since ya shouldn't scale to something that'd heavily injure you
 
No only Krauser's 8-C dura comes from 4, apparently 8-C for everyone else is weird since it seems the 8-C dura comes from surviving a few hits from wesker albiet being seriously injured which would mean they shouldn't scale to him at all in that case

They'd just lose at most 8-C if they were seriously injured from a few hits of Wesker since ya shouldn't scale to something that'd heavily injure you
I find this quite inconsistent. You're saying Jake should have 8-C AP for defeating Ustanak, and Ustanak should also be 8-C for knocking Jake out in one hit — which means you're using combat scaling between characters.

But then you claim characters like Chris and Jill shouldn't scale to Wesker despite surviving multiple blows and continuing to fight — just because they were injured? That’s the exact same logic you're using for Jake and Ustanak.

Also, let’s not forget — Jake’s durability scaling ultimately comes from Krauser in RE4 just like everyone else's. If you accept that scaling for him, then rejecting it for the others is just cherry-picking. You can’t have it both ways.
 
I find this quite inconsistent. You're saying Jake should have 8-C AP for defeating Ustanak, and Ustanak should also be 8-C for knocking Jake out in one hit — which means you're using combat scaling between characters.
they can trade blows relatively to each other so yes
Also, let’s not forget — Jake’s durability scaling ultimately comes from Krauser in RE4 just like everyone else's. If you accept that scaling for him, then rejecting it for the others is just cherry-picking. You can’t have it both ways.
There is no cherry picking, the explosion that Krauser scales to can and will literally kill Leon should he not escape it in time, Krauser's body is durable enough to have withstood that so the others literally can't scale.

This seems more an oversight more than anything else from the recent CRT tbh having others scale to something that literally kills them. Looking back at the CRT, I did somehow miss this in my evaluation of the thread. The correct course of action isn't to upgrade everyone to something that kills them, it means that they should rather lose the At Most 8-C scaling and go to 9-A+ dura
But then you claim characters like Chris and Jill shouldn't scale to Wesker despite surviving multiple blows and continuing to fight — just because they were injured? That’s the exact same logic you're using for Jake and Ustanak.
Also to address this, taking a blow from something that heavily or severely injures you means you literally do not scale to it or massively downscale. A human wouldn't scale to a car that slams into their body with wall level force just because they didn't die albeit having been seriously injured so neither should Chris or Jill if we're going by the current justification wording of them being heavily injured by Wesker's blows. Jake and Ustanak can trade blows and fight equally so them scaling to each other works
 
This seems more an oversight more than anything else from the recent CRT tbh having others scale to something that literally kills them. Looking back at the CRT, I did somehow miss this in my evaluation of the thread. The correct course of action isn't to upgrade everyone to something that kills them, it means that they should rather lose the At Most 8-C scaling and go to 9-A+ dura
"You said other characters can't scale to Krauser because the explosion he survived would’ve killed Leon. If that's the case, then Jake and Ustanak shouldn't be 8-C either. Giving them that rating contradicts your own logic."
 
"You said other characters can't scale to Krauser because the explosion he survived would’ve killed Leon. If that's the case, then Jake and Ustanak shouldn't be 8-C either. Giving them that rating contradicts your own logic."
reading comprehension is cooking you right now man, no they can not scale to the Krauser 8-C feat however I am clarifying why Jake and Ustanak fighting each other differs from the Wesker vs Chris and Jill fight.

One entails two people of trading blows relatively performing similar against the other while the other scenario has two people getting heavily/severely injured by casual strikes from someone else, that's what separates their scaling. Otherwise you are correct no one unless warranted should be scaling to the Krauser durability feat without sufficient evidence suggest as such and since it kills Leon it should not work for that scaling to everyone else
 
reading comprehension is cooking you right now man, no they can not scale to the Krauser 8-C feat however I am clarifying why Jake and Ustanak fighting each other differs from the Wesker vs Chris and Jill fight.

One entails two people of trading blows relatively performing similar against the other while the other scenario has two people getting heavily/severely injured by casual strikes from someone else, that's what separates their scaling. Otherwise you are correct no one unless warranted should be scaling to the Krauser durability feat without sufficient evidence suggest as such and since it kills Leon it should not work for that scaling to everyone else
"Yes, Jake and Ustanak fought on relatively equal terms, but even so, there's still nothing that confirms Jake has durability equal to or greater than Krauser. If other characters supposedly can't scale to Krauser's 8-C feat, then Jake shouldn't be able to either. There’s no solid proof Jake has the same level of durability, so it would be inconsistent to allow him to scale while denying it to others."
 
"Yes, Jake and Ustanak fought on relatively equal terms, but even so, there's still nothing that confirms Jake has durability equal to or greater than Krauser. If other characters supposedly can't scale to Krauser's 8-C feat, then Jake shouldn't be able to either. There’s no solid proof Jake has the same level of durability, so it would be inconsistent to allow him to scale while denying it to others."
Great we agree he shouldn't scale! Glad we're on the same page since thats literally what I have said about 3 times now :)
 
This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.
"I forgot to respond to this earlier — the destructive power of the A-Virus is clearly stated to surpass any B.O.W. developed in the past. Yet you claim that Maria has nothing comparable to or above El Gigante, even though she’s enhanced by this very virus. That seems contradictory and unreasonable, especially when the virus is explicitly described as being superior."
 
"I forgot to respond to this earlier — the destructive power of the A-Virus is clearly stated to surpass any B.O.W. developed in the past. Yet you claim that Maria has nothing comparable to or above El Gigante, even though she’s enhanced by this very virus. That seems contradictory and unreasonable, especially when the virus is explicitly described as being superior."
they never clarify destructive power and I already addressed this anyways, they say its offensive power which does not necessarily automatically default to physical stats as we are told what specifically it is about the A-Virus that makes it strong
This is not a physical stat statement in reference to the "power" of the A-Virus, the A-Virus's big thing is that the zombies created by it are more social, can use minor degrees of speech and coordination allowing them to control the spread of the outbreak and be highly effective so again not a statement in regards to stats.


With all of those points address I think where we should move on from here is getting the 8-C durability removed from characters pages outside of Krauser
 
they never clarify destructive power and I already addressed this anyways, they say its offensive power which does not necessarily automatically default to physical stats as we are told what specifically it is about the A-Virus that makes it strong
"Never mind that, let's talk about the earthquake feats. I find them interesting. Do you think those feats could actually scale up the characters?"
 
"Never mind that, let's talk about the earthquake feats. I find them interesting. Do you think those feats could actually scale up the characters?"
that depends on what feats you're specifically talking about but regardless this is not the place to discuss those at the moment as the original premise of this thread is El Gigante, you can ask me about those in the general discussion thread but for now are you now done trying to argue the El Gigante scaling. I believer I've generally addressed everything and would like to conclude this
 
that depends on what feats you're specifically talking about but regardless this is not the place to discuss those at the moment as the original premise of this thread is El Gigante, you can ask me about those in the general discussion thread but for now are you now done trying to argue the El Gigante scaling. I believer I've generally addressed everything and would like to conclude this
"Yes, I'm done with that part. But in this thread, I didn't only bring up El Gigante's scaling — if you look back, I also provided other feats earlier that aren't directly related to him."
 
"Yes, I'm done with that part. But in this thread, I didn't only bring up El Gigante's scaling — if you look back, I also provided other feats earlier that aren't directly related to him."
Using our standard earthquake calcs requires that they effect an area of at least 100m wide and these don't have any way to prove they shook at least 100m worth of area and not just the direct vicinity.

There is another earthquake calc method that I'm not familiar with but it does require you know the volume affected and again that can't be done without us knowing the actual full measurements of the area to even begin to calc for volume, basically none of them work.
 
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