Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

He said Gojo and Kenjaku were both equal in h2h

Oh! Even better

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This changes little. Yuta gains nothing but a few ct that Kenjaku’s csm spam or gravity counters. His small domain only makes it a h2h fight where Kenjaku’s better in h2h.

And significantly better CE reinforcement, going from around Base Kashimo level to around MBA Kashimo.

I genuinely think people forget Kenjaku has possibly 10+ special grades to throw at Yuta, ones with their own domains and Ganesha who counters domains and ct. Yuta’s ct use becomes useless until Rika kills Ganesha, if she can.

Ganesha is pretty featless, there's nothing saying how well he could fare in a pure battle of brawn against Yuta or Rika.

Oh! Even better

Without CE, so that's pretty useless given that most of Yuta's strength comes from his CE. He'd even be inferior to CG Higuruma in cqc without CE.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Not really sure about using that distance since that was the original one PowerToScale used but he was advised to change it by a few people. Not entirely sure as to the full context/reasons so best to ask him

Yeah
The issue was that the calc was done before the chapter officially came out
Originally it was assumed that kenjaku didn't put him in the deepest area of the Japanese trench so we had to calculate the distance without said findings
But when the chapter came out and we found out kenjaku did put him at the deepest area, no one attempted to recalc it (probably forgot)
Summary of my yap: The former calc uses incomplete data to form, that's why I'm recalcing it

 

[Arkenis]

And significantly better CE reinforcement, going from around Base Kashimo level to around MBA Kashimo.

scale Mba without mentioning Sukuna.

Ganesha is pretty featless, there's nothing saying how well he could fare in a pure battle of brawn against Yuta or Rika.

It just negates ct use, doesn’t need to fight.

Without CE, so that's pretty useless given that most of Yuta's strength comes from his CE. He'd even be inferior to CG Higuruma in cqc witho

Its about skill. And Kenjaku would have better manipulation than Yuta so he’d be the better fight even with ce.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I left for a moment and came back to see people pushing the Kenjaku> Yuta agenda

 

[Arkenis]

I left for a moment and came back to see people pushing the Kenjaku> Yuta agenda

The other calc does two different methods. Which did you do? The method was another issue iirc

 

[MinatoSparkle]

scale Mba without mentioning Sukuna.

Pretty much the CT equivalent of a death binding vow, also just shows a notably better performance than his base

It just negates ct use, doesn’t need to fight.

I'm saying that there's nothing suggesting it'd be able to survive against them, and if it dies then that effect would be gone

Its about skill. And Kenjaku would have better manipulation than Yuta so he’d be the better fight even with ce.

"strength ranking"

Why does he have better manipulation?

 

[Arkenis]

Pretty much the CT equivalent of a death binding vow, also just shows a notably better performance than his base

So zero

I'm saying that there's nothing suggesting it'd be able to survive against them, and if it dies then that effect would be gone

How do they get near it if its already targeting them?

Why does he have better manipulation?

Idk besides the fact he’s one of the smartest in verse, has a special grades body, has centuries of experience in sorcery …. Oh yeah Yuta’s manipulation is considered sloppy by Gojo. Or the fact he literally just relies on his amount to fight rather than actually manipulating it properly to defend.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I always forget how insanely framed Kenjaku is after the Yuki fight. Being in the same grouping as Gojo and Sukuna, saying if they gang up on him they might win.


This changes little. Yuta gains nothing but a few ct that Kenjaku’s csm spam or gravity counters. His small domain only makes it a h2h fight where Kenjaku’s better in h2h.

I genuinely think people forget Kenjaku has possibly 10+ special grades to throw at Yuta, ones with their own domains and Ganesha who counters domains and ct. Yuta’s ct use becomes useless until Rika kills Ganesha, if she can.

Sukuna stating they've all tightened Thier defense
Arkenis: He gained nothing

Special grades vs Special grade sorcerers always ends at special grade sorcerers winning 10 out of 10 times
Plus Yuta has the equivalent special grade sorcerer in the form of Rika

Rika handles the curses while Yuta throws hands with kenjaku

People forget that Kenjaku Curses don't have the domain refinement to exclude people from Thier sure-hit, Yuta kills the curse while casting simple domain

Domain for Domain, Yuta stalls
Gojo basketball domain strategy and he can damage kenjaku to the point he can't manage his domain

 

[Giannysmag]

Yall making me wanna write out another big ass post about Yuta vs Kenny

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Both Kenjaku comparisons are based on the assumption Yuta and Yuki are on the same level (that's an argument for another day, we aren't ready for Yuta> Yuki)

It has no bearing on a Yuta that can just release Jacobs ladder and all kenjaku kit becomes useless

 

[Gokukid2005]

Gege told us he’s second to Gojo in h2h, but you’re right Gokukid2005, Yuta’s better.

It says strength ranking.
Geto = Gojo has been a prevalent thing since they were teens and Gojo only fully gets past him thanks to Jujutsu shenanigans.
Kenny in Geto's body is said to have better grip strength than Gojo. And Gege also says in a strength ranking with no CE he'd be around Gojo's level which again is in line with those two being very relative when no Jujutsu stuff is involved.
That may seem off topic but my point is that statement really does nothing for our argument because by feats Kenjaku was the least drained in that altercation and he still struggled against Choso who was near dead, Yuki who was near dead and Garuda that was weakened to hell because of Yuki's injuries.
At no point in the fight did Kenjaku have a clear advantage because of h2h skill

 

[Arkenis]

Sukuna stating they've all tightened Thier defense
Arkenis: He gained nothing

Me when its still below Ryu, the same guy he could harm during cg.

Yuta kills the curse while casting simple domain

When did he get sd?

Domain for Domain, Yuta stalls
Gojo basketball domain strategy and he can damage kenjaku to the point he can't manage his domai

Kenjaku does that before Yuta does.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

The other calc does two different methods. Which did you do? The method was another issue iirc

Toge earthquake calc?
I didn't do it
@AbaddonTheDisappointment said @PowerToScale should correct his calculations and he'll evaluate it

 

[Arkenis]

Toge earthquake calc?
I didn't do it
@AbaddonTheDisappointment said @PowerToScale should correct his calculations and he'll evaluate it

Gojo’s

 

[Gokukid2005]

Both Kenjaku comparisons are based on the assumption Yuta and Yuki are on the same level (that's an argument for another day, we aren't ready for Yuta> Yuki)

I've been ready for it.
We have author statements and narrator statements telling us that only three months after JJK0, Yuta singlehandedly worked his way back from Grade 4 to being the second strongest sorcerer in the modern era only surpassed by Gojo Satoru. This isn't accounting for the time he spent in Africa under the tutelage of Miguel.
Everything else said in the series comes from people who's sources I can't exactly take over the WOG.
Tengen puts Yuki, Yuta and Choso on about the same level to protect her and also believes she can rival Kenjaku in barrier tech. I don't think I need to explain why that's shaky.
Maki's statement about Kenjaku being a tough opponent is used to rank Yuta lower but her statement is based solely on the fact that Yuki and Yuta are both Special Grade. That's it.
Kenjaku believes Yuta's CE comes solely from Rika and he can't become the next Gojo. Again, self explanatory.
There's others but my personal fave is Ogi believing the reason he couldn't be head of Zenin is cause of his daughters but Gege just flat out says that if he and Naobito fought he'd get low diffed.

 

[Arkenis]

It says strength ranking.
Geto = Gojo has been a prevalent thing since they were teens and Gojo only fully gets past him thanks to Jujutsu shenanigans.
Kenny in Geto's body is said to have better grip strength than Gojo. And Gege also says in a strength ranking with no CE he'd be around Gojo's level which again is in line with those two being very relative when no Jujutsu stuff is involved.
That may seem off topic but my point is that statement really does nothing for our argument because by feats Kenjaku was the least drained in that altercation and he still struggled against Choso who was near dead, Yuki who was near dead and Garuda that was weakened to hell because of Yuki's injuries.
At no point in the fight did Kenjaku have a clear advantage because of h2h skill

I’ll go look at the raws later. It does show better skill though. He’s weighed down and countering both them while he’s also weakened. If you remember correctly both Kenjaku and Yuki had to rct and its mentioned how rct and domain chipped at his ce. Neither are near death.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Me when its still below Ryu, the same guy he could harm during cg.

Nah it doesn't surpass Ryu
Not that it's below

When did he get sd?

I presume he got it from Yuji after gaining it from Kusakabe

Kenjaku does that before Yuta does.

Kenjaku doesn't have the Curses necessary to do that

Kenjaku releasing all the curses he had in lake gosho and Rika was able to handle then

Tbh Cursed manipulation isn't a very good technique against special grades

 

[Gokukid2005]

I’ll go look at the raws later. It does show better skill though. He’s weighed down and countering both them while he’s also weakened. If you remember correctly both Kenjaku and Yuki had to rct and its mentioned how rct and domain chipped at his ce. Neither are near death.

Kenjaku did see a decrease in efficiency cause like you said he had to RCT his wounds against Yuki's initial punch and he used a domain.
But the actual fight took place between Kenjaku with a fresh body and Yuki knocking on deaths door.
Her first punch blew off an arm and nearly blew off the other while also damaging Kenjaku's face. Now he can parry both her punches and kicks and Garuda at the same time with no visible damage. That's an insane difference in output.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Gojo’s

Already explained to @AbaddonTheDisappointment why the former calc works on inaccurate distance
He hasn't replied tho
I used 633km for distance based on Gojo being placed in the deepest part of the Japan trench

 

[Gokukid2005]

Tbh Cursed manipulation isn't a very good technique against special grades

How Rika and Yuta are gonna do them curses

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So zero

Not zero, hard to quantify but reasonably it's a significant gap.

How do they get near it if its already targeting them?

Now that I'm looking at the description of it again, where did you get that it disables CTs? Kenjaku kinda suggests that with his comment of Star Rage's concept not being containable but that means it can't handle overwhelming extents of concepts, so it's not really disablement so much as resistance to a certain level.

Idk besides the fact he’s one of the smartest in verse, has a special grades body, has centuries of experience in sorcery …. Oh yeah Yuta’s manipulation is considered sloppy by Gojo. Or the fact he literally just relies on his amount to fight rather than actually manipulating it properly to defend.

Gojo clearly is implied to be extra hard on Yuta which is probably because he's trying to get him to reach his level, so I wouldn't say that means his manipulation is actually sloppy in general. If it was, he wouldn't be a top tier, given that his pure physicals are weak. At best, Gojo may mean he's inefficient and burns more energy than he needs to, not that his reinforcement/output is lacking.

 

[Arkenis]

Kenjaku did see a decrease in efficiency cause like you said he had to RCT his wounds against Yuki's initial punch and he used a domain.
But the actual fight took place between Kenjaku with a fresh body and Yuki knocking on deaths door.
Her first punch blew off an arm and nearly blew off the other while also damaging Kenjaku's face. Now he can parry both her punches and kicks and Garuda at the same time with no visible damage. That's an insane difference in output.

She wasn’t almost dead. She was exhausted more than anything. Still doesn’t show being weaker significantly more. Yuki can have lost output due to control rather than output itself while Kenjaku has lost ce itself. We just don’t know for her.

Not zero, hard to quantify but reasonably it's a significant gap.

This is speculation with zero to show. You said he did better but what we saw in base Kashimo was him generally beating Hakari and mba then is him struggling to land hits on Sukuna or reacting so I can’t go off that.

Now that I'm looking at the description of it again, where did you get that it disables CTs? Kenjaku kinda suggests that with his comment of Star Rage's concept not being containable but that means it can't handle overwhelming extents of concepts, so it's not really disablement so much as resistance to a certain level.

Disable, entangle, word doesn’t really matter, it interferes with the ct to bypass its affect or interact with it and it would do the same with Yuta’s.

Gojo clearly is implied to be extra hard on Yuta which is probably because he's trying to get him to reach his level, so I wouldn't say that means his manipulation is actually sloppy in general. If it was, he wouldn't be a top tier, given that his pure physicals are weak. At best, Gojo may mean he's inefficient and burns more energy than he needs to, not that his reinforcement/output is lacking.

But we know by Yuta himself and through his Ryu fight, he relies on his reserve for defense rather than good reinforcement. Yuji talks about how he’s reinforcing himself like everyone else and how his moves can be read but the issue is how much ce is running through him. And Ryu punching him says he’s punching against a massive amount.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is speculation with zero to show. You said he did better but what we saw in base Kashimo was him generally beating Hakari and mba then is him struggling to land hits on Sukuna or reacting so I can’t go off that.

You know that MBA Kashimo did better than Base Kashimo immediately

Disable, entangle, word doesn’t really matter, it interferes with the ct to bypass its affect or interact with it and it would do the same with Yuta’s.

Would that stop smthn like Jacob's Ladder or Love Beam? Idts

But we know by Yuta himself and through his Ryu fight, he relies on his reserve for defense rather than good reinforcement. Yuji talks about how he’s reinforcing himself like everyone else and how his moves can be read but the issue is how much ce is running through him. And Ryu punching him says he’s punching against a massive amount.

He can use his maximum output around his whole body at all times indeed, and that ends up being at a level capable of fighting top tiers

 

[Gokukid2005]

She wasn’t almost dead. She was exhausted more than anything. Still doesn’t show being weaker significantly more. Yuki can have lost output due to control rather than output itself while Kenjaku has lost ce itself. We just don’t know for her.

She could definitely heal, I mean she did later int he fight. But even then her hits weren't having anywhere close to the effect they did at the start of the fight.
Her damage taken from the Domain was monumental to Kenjaku's win as she wasn't able to just blow past his defenses anymore.

 

[Giannysmag]

Yuta Vs Kenjaku because I have nothing better to do with my life

Yuta's Advantages

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• Strength and Durability: Kenny doesn't really have any notable strength or dura feats aside from beating up Choso so Yuta kinda takes this by default. Kenny is still relative to a low output Yuki while being weakened himself so the gap isn't massive but it is certainly there.
• Jacobs Ladder: If it hits it would likely shut off Kenny's body swapping technique and leave him the same way Yujo was after the domain
• RCT Output: Can help quickly deal with Kenny's curses
• CE Reserves: Duh

Kenjaku's Advantages

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• Narrative/ Portayal: Already went over this but there are so many insane statements about Kenny. Can't be defeated through conventional means, if all of Jujutsu High jumped him they may beat him, is at the same level as Gojo and Sukuna (obviously he isn't but the fact that characters in the story see him as closer to those two than anyone else is pretty telling). Now you can poke holes in all of these statements but the point is that Gege is clearly trying to show Kenjaku> any individual in the good guys team.
• Speed: When Yuta sneaked Kenjaku he was able to react to him and nearly activate CTR, with Todo saying that if he hadn't swapped Yuta he may not have succeded. I want you all to understand how crazy that is. An off guard and damaged Kenny who had just gotten out of the (very literal) mindfuck that was the Takaba fight and couldn't sense Yuta until he was right behind him was still relative enough to Yuta in speed that the latter may not have succeded without further outside help.
• CQC: Kenny got jumped 2v1 by Yuki and Choso while also being weighed down by Garuda and was still able to not only fight them off but win. Yes both Yuki and Choso where weakened but so was Kenny. Gravity is also a very useful tool in CQC, allowing Kenny to buy time to heal or make a plan, prevent coordinated attacks with Rika and counters CTs like sky manip or precog that are normally a big tool for Yuta in CQC.
• Experience/ IQ: Kenjaku is the most knowledgeable character in the series without exception, he is the only one to have actively lived through the 1000 years since the Heian Era. He also has memories of Yuta and Rika through Geto. There is genuienly nothing Yuta can throw at him that he wouldn't already know how to counter. Cursed Speach? Protect your ears with CE, Jacobs Ladder? Domain Amplification etc. It's not just stuff he'd seen either, we saw in the Yuki fight how he can plan on the fly against completely new techniques even finding a way to counter a black hole.
• Cursed Spirit Manipulation/ Uzumaki: CSM makes it so that this is one of the rare match ups where Yuta doesn't have the numbers advantage. People bring up how Rika was able to destroy all of Kenny's curses but there's a few things to consider 1. they were just mindlessly rampaging whereass Kenny would use them strategically, 2. they where lined up in a bridge making it significantly easier to just tear through them, 3. Kenny can empower his curses with his own CE. CSM's variety is honestly unnmatched and even the more unnassuming abilities like the curse that makes you think you've fallen would be enough to throw Yuta off guard, let alone the several Special Grades that are straight up just a big offensive threat (see the Smallpox Diety and it's domain or Kuroshusi and his whole performance in Sendai). Yes Yuta and Rika can both output RCT to destroy them quickly but that still means they have to take away their attention from Kenny which as we saw in the Yuki fight can prove lethal. Which brings us to Uzumaki, an attack that with just Geto's 4000+ curses would have overpowered the death binding vow Pure Love Beam let alone Kenjaku's 10 million curses. Mini Uzumaki is arguably even more dangerous since it can be concealed and thus catch Yuta or Rika off guard, making it Kenny's best weapon in terms of pure offence.
• Domain Expansion: Kenjaku is the second best barrier user in the world behind only Tengen himself and is one of only two people to have achieved an open barrier DE. His DE is so strong it instantly started tearing apart Yuki's SD while she was still holding the stance. For reference Sukuna's incomplete domain in 258 took like 90 seconds to destroy Yuji's SD and Yuta later went on to clash evenly with that incomplete DE. While he didn't seem to showcase this in the Yuki fight, considering his level of skill I'm sure he'd also be able to target innanimate objects allowing him to tear domains from the outside. Now to Yuta's credit he does have a very refined barrier himself and he learned basketball domain from Gojo but this would honestly only buy him time. If Yuta loses the domain fight it's basically over, Yuki got several of her limbs mangled and had internal damage despite her being exposed to the sure hit for less than a second since Tengen dismantled the DE.

The Fight

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The way I see the fight going is them having a brief exchange at the start and Kenjaku just saying "**** it" and opening his domain like he did with Yuki. From there there's two possibilities:

1. Kenny can attack from the outside so Yuta counters with the basketball domain. Through a combination of his superior speed, CSM and Gravity as well as attacking the internal barrier (because remember the basketball domain is flipped and thus weak to attacks from the inside) Kenny manages to stall Yuta and Rika for a few minutes until the domain cracks and they get taken out by the sure hit.
2. Kenjaku's domain can't attack from the outside so they are placed in a normal tag of war with Kenny at an advantage due to his superior domain refinment. They fight until eventually Kenny hits Yuta with a Mini Uzumaki, either killing him immedeatly or causing his domain to collapse from the damage. Even if Yuta somehow manages to damage Kenjaku enough to destroy his domain he would still have multiple curses with their own domains as well as high level SD and HWB to keep going until he can pull off the Mini Uzumaki.

If it's option 1 then Kenny takes it mid to high diff, if it's option 2 then it's extreme diff.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Will write a counter to your agenda later

 

[Giannysmag]

Will write a counter to your agenda later

There's no agenda here, just facts

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Crazy how Kenjaku is coming back

 

[Giannysmag]

Crazy how Kenjaku is coming back

Holy shit you are alive I mean...

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yuta Vs Kenjaku because I have nothing better to do with my life

Yuta's Advantages

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• Strength and Durability: Kenny doesn't really have any notable strength or dura feats aside from beating up Choso so Yuta kinda takes this by default. Kenny is still relative to a low output Yuki while being weakened himself so the gap isn't massive but it is certainly there.
• Jacobs Ladder: If it hits it would likely shut off Kenny's body swapping technique and leave him the same way Yujo was after the domain
• RCT Output: Can help quickly deal with Kenny's curses
• CE Reserves: Duh

Kenjaku's Advantages

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• Narrative/ Portayal: Already went over this but there are so many insane statements about Kenny. Can't be defeated through conventional means, if all of Jujutsu High jumped him they may beat him, is at the same level as Gojo and Sukuna (obviously he isn't but the fact that characters in the story see him as closer to those two than anyone else is pretty telling). Now you can poke holes in all of these statements but the point is that Gege is clearly trying to show Kenjaku> any individual in the good guys team.
• Speed: When Yuta sneaked Kenjaku he was able to react to him and nearly activate CTR, with Todo saying that if he hadn't swapped Yuta he may not have succeded. I want you all to understand how crazy that is. An off guard and damaged Kenny who had just gotten out of the (very literal) mindfuck that was the Takaba fight and couldn't sense Yuta until he was right behind him was still relative enough to Yuta in speed that the latter may not have succeded without further outside help.
• CQC: Kenny got jumped 2v1 by Yuki and Choso while also being weighed down by Garuda and was still able to not only fight them off but win. Yes both Yuki and Choso where weakened but so was Kenny. Gravity is also a very useful tool in CQC, allowing Kenny to buy time to heal or make a plan, prevent coordinated attacks with Rika and counters CTs like sky manip or precog that are normally a big tool for Yuta in CQC.
• Experience/ IQ: Kenjaku is the most knowledgeable character in the series without exception, he is the only one to have actively lived through the 1000 years since the Heian Era. He also has memories of Yuta and Rika through Geto. There is genuienly nothing Yuta can throw at him that he wouldn't already know how to counter. Cursed Speach? Protect your ears with CE, Jacobs Ladder? Domain Amplification etc. It's not just stuff he'd seen either, we saw in the Yuki fight how he can plan on the fly against completely new techniques even finding a way to counter a black hole.
• Cursed Spirit Manipulation/ Uzumaki: CSM makes it so that this is one of the rare match ups where Yuta doesn't have the numbers advantage. People bring up how Rika was able to destroy all of Kenny's curses but there's a few things to consider 1. they were just mindlessly rampaging whereass Kenny would use them strategically, 2. they where lined up in a bridge making it significantly easier to just tear through them, 3. Kenny can empower his curses with his own CE. CSM's variety is honestly unnmatched and even the more unnassuming abilities like the curse that makes you think you've fallen would be enough to throw Yuta off guard, let alone the several Special Grades that are straight up just a big offensive threat (see the Smallpox Diety and it's domain or Kuroshusi and his whole performance in Sendai). Yes Yuta and Rika can both output RCT to destroy them quickly but that still means they have to take away their attention from Kenny which as we saw in the Yuki fight can prove lethal. Which brings us to Uzumaki, an attack that with just Geto's 4000+ curses would have overpowered the death binding vow Pure Love Beam let alone Kenjaku's 10 million curses. Mini Uzumaki is arguably even more dangerous since it can be concealed and thus catch Yuta or Rika off guard, making it Kenny's best weapon in terms of pure offence.
• Domain Expansion: Kenjaku is the second best barrier user in the world behind only Tengen himself and is one of only two people to have achieved an open barrier DE. His DE is so strong it instantly started tearing apart Yuki's SD while she was still holding the stance. For reference Sukuna's incomplete domain in 258 took like 90 seconds to destroy Yuji's SD and Yuta later went on to clash evenly with that incomplete DE. While he didn't seem to showcase this in the Yuki fight, considering his level of skill I'm sure he'd also be able to target innanimate objects allowing him to tear domains from the outside. Now to Yuta's credit he does have a very refined barrier himself and he learned basketball domain from Gojo but this would honestly only buy him time. If Yuta loses the domain fight it's basically over, Yuki got several of her limbs mangled and had internal damage despite her being exposed to the sure hit for less than a second since Tengen dismantled the DE.

The Fight

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The way I see the fight going is them having a brief exchange at the start and Kenjaku just saying "**** it" and opening his domain like he did with Yuki. From there there's two possibilities:

1. Kenny can attack from the outside so Yuta counters with the basketball domain. Through a combination of his superior speed, CSM and Gravity as well as attacking the internal barrier (because remember the basketball domain is flipped and thus weak to attacks from the inside) Kenny manages to stall Yuta and Rika for a few minutes until the domain cracks and they get taken out by the sure hit.
2. Kenjaku's domain can't attack from the outside so they are placed in a normal tag of war with Kenny at an advantage due to his superior domain refinment. They fight until eventually Kenny hits Yuta with a Mini Uzumaki, either killing him immedeatly or causing his domain to collapse from the damage. Even if Yuta somehow manages to damage Kenjaku enough to destroy his domain he would still have multiple curses with their own domains as well as high level SD and HWB to keep going until he can pull off the Mini Uzumaki.

If it's option 1 then Kenny takes it mid to high diff, if it's option 2 then it's extreme diff.

Don't agree with all the points but I agree with a majority and the result. If Yuta uses 5 minute mode + DE at the same time (with him probably having access to the DE katanas even without his domain winning the clash) I could see some scenarios where he does enough damage to Kenny before his domain falls but I wouldn't call it likely

 

[Arkenis]

• Speed: When Yuta sneaked Kenjaku he was able to react to him and nearly activate CTR, with Todo saying that if he hadn't swapped Yuta he may not have succeded. I want you all to understand how crazy that is. An off guard and damaged Kenny who had just gotten out of the (very literal) mindfuck that was the Takaba fight and couldn't sense Yuta until he was right behind him was still relative enough to Yuta in speed that the latter may not have succeded without further outside help.

They (Yuta wankers) are going to do olympic gymnastics over this point. I am going to update Kenjaku's page a lot was simply left out.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The way I see the fight going is them having a brief exchange at the start and Kenjaku just saying "**** it" and opening his domain like he did with Yuki. From there there's two possibilities:

1. Kenny can attack from the outside so Yuta counters with the basketball domain. Through a combination of his superior speed, CSM and Gravity as well as attacking the internal barrier (because remember the basketball domain is flipped and thus weak to attacks from the inside) Kenny manages to stall Yuta and Rika for a few minutes until the domain cracks and they get taken out by the sure hit.

The compressed domain isn't flipped. The size just means even the weaker outside becomes stupidly tough

 

[MinatoSparkle]

They (Yuta wankers) are going to do olympic gymnastics over this point. I am going to update Kenjaku's page a lot was simply left out.

With a CRT?

 

[Arkenis]

With a CRT?

With an executive order

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Uh

 

[PowerToScale]

I'll fix the calc when i get home

Yeah
The issue was that the calc was done before the chapter officially came out
Originally it was assumed that kenjaku didn't put him in the deepest area of the Japanese trench so we had to calculate the distance without said findings
But when the chapter came out and we found out kenjaku did put him at the deepest area, no one attempted to recalc it (probably forgot)
Summary of my yap: The former calc uses incomplete data to form, that's why I'm recalcing it

Not really sure about using that distance since that was the original one PowerToScale used but he was advised to change it by a few people. Not entirely sure as to the full context/reasons so best to ask him

The thing with the the Gojo one is that he is not only placed in the deepest part but specificslly in the subduction zone which is on the underside inbetween the tectonic plates in the trench, so when Gojo broke free he shifted the plates causing the earthquake just like how irl earthquakes japan earthquakes are causwd by the faultline

My original calc had that in mind and it came out island level. There was a discussion about that too, essentially it need to be baby fed

Although i can fix mine with an updated distance and i geuss we can have another discussion with more people

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

* A hakari fan
We know what you are Eldemade
Join the Winning team before it's too late

I'm not Hakari fan but Yuta ain't him

 

[Da3ggman]

The feat is calcing the total energy of the tree's caloric value, but sustaining a tree would use a different method which I believe we don't use anymore. Besides the fact the feat's already in a game, done by a non canon character in a noncanon arc, and we don't understand how he's sustaining it, or presuming its done through CE, how much CE is needed every second. If Phantom Parade ever got accepted, I think what would be okay is just taking the total value and dividing it by 60s which we get 5.959166667 Megatons. If it took less then we just divide by that amount.

Tbh even if it isn’t an upgrade for the Top Tiers, he’s stayed to be around 2-3 worth of Sukuna’s Fingers, which definitely upgrades all the mid-tiers significantly if it’s accepted.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Yuta Vs Kenjaku because I have nothing better to do with my life

Yuta's Advantages

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• Strength and Durability: Kenny doesn't really have any notable strength or dura feats aside from beating up Choso so Yuta kinda takes this by default. Kenny is still relative to a low output Yuki while being weakened himself so the gap isn't massive but it is certainly there.
• Jacobs Ladder: If it hits it would likely shut off Kenny's body swapping technique and leave him the same way Yujo was after the domain
• RCT Output: Can help quickly deal with Kenny's curses
• CE Reserves: Duh

Kenjaku's Advantages

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• Narrative/ Portayal: Already went over this but there are so many insane statements about Kenny. Can't be defeated through conventional means, if all of Jujutsu High jumped him they may beat him, is at the same level as Gojo and Sukuna (obviously he isn't but the fact that characters in the story see him as closer to those two than anyone else is pretty telling). Now you can poke holes in all of these statements but the point is that Gege is clearly trying to show Kenjaku> any individual in the good guys team.
• Speed: When Yuta sneaked Kenjaku he was able to react to him and nearly activate CTR, with Todo saying that if he hadn't swapped Yuta he may not have succeded. I want you all to understand how crazy that is. An off guard and damaged Kenny who had just gotten out of the (very literal) mindfuck that was the Takaba fight and couldn't sense Yuta until he was right behind him was still relative enough to Yuta in speed that the latter may not have succeded without further outside help.
• CQC: Kenny got jumped 2v1 by Yuki and Choso while also being weighed down by Garuda and was still able to not only fight them off but win. Yes both Yuki and Choso where weakened but so was Kenny. Gravity is also a very useful tool in CQC, allowing Kenny to buy time to heal or make a plan, prevent coordinated attacks with Rika and counters CTs like sky manip or precog that are normally a big tool for Yuta in CQC.
• Experience/ IQ: Kenjaku is the most knowledgeable character in the series without exception, he is the only one to have actively lived through the 1000 years since the Heian Era. He also has memories of Yuta and Rika through Geto. There is genuienly nothing Yuta can throw at him that he wouldn't already know how to counter. Cursed Speach? Protect your ears with CE, Jacobs Ladder? Domain Amplification etc. It's not just stuff he'd seen either, we saw in the Yuki fight how he can plan on the fly against completely new techniques even finding a way to counter a black hole.
• Cursed Spirit Manipulation/ Uzumaki: CSM makes it so that this is one of the rare match ups where Yuta doesn't have the numbers advantage. People bring up how Rika was able to destroy all of Kenny's curses but there's a few things to consider 1. they were just mindlessly rampaging whereass Kenny would use them strategically, 2. they where lined up in a bridge making it significantly easier to just tear through them, 3. Kenny can empower his curses with his own CE. CSM's variety is honestly unnmatched and even the more unnassuming abilities like the curse that makes you think you've fallen would be enough to throw Yuta off guard, let alone the several Special Grades that are straight up just a big offensive threat (see the Smallpox Diety and it's domain or Kuroshusi and his whole performance in Sendai). Yes Yuta and Rika can both output RCT to destroy them quickly but that still means they have to take away their attention from Kenny which as we saw in the Yuki fight can prove lethal. Which brings us to Uzumaki, an attack that with just Geto's 4000+ curses would have overpowered the death binding vow Pure Love Beam let alone Kenjaku's 10 million curses. Mini Uzumaki is arguably even more dangerous since it can be concealed and thus catch Yuta or Rika off guard, making it Kenny's best weapon in terms of pure offence.
• Domain Expansion: Kenjaku is the second best barrier user in the world behind only Tengen himself and is one of only two people to have achieved an open barrier DE. His DE is so strong it instantly started tearing apart Yuki's SD while she was still holding the stance. For reference Sukuna's incomplete domain in 258 took like 90 seconds to destroy Yuji's SD and Yuta later went on to clash evenly with that incomplete DE. While he didn't seem to showcase this in the Yuki fight, considering his level of skill I'm sure he'd also be able to target innanimate objects allowing him to tear domains from the outside. Now to Yuta's credit he does have a very refined barrier himself and he learned basketball domain from Gojo but this would honestly only buy him time. If Yuta loses the domain fight it's basically over, Yuki got several of her limbs mangled and had internal damage despite her being exposed to the sure hit for less than a second since Tengen dismantled the DE.

The Fight

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The way I see the fight going is them having a brief exchange at the start and Kenjaku just saying "**** it" and opening his domain like he did with Yuki. From there there's two possibilities:

1. Kenny can attack from the outside so Yuta counters with the basketball domain. Through a combination of his superior speed, CSM and Gravity as well as attacking the internal barrier (because remember the basketball domain is flipped and thus weak to attacks from the inside) Kenny manages to stall Yuta and Rika for a few minutes until the domain cracks and they get taken out by the sure hit.
2. Kenjaku's domain can't attack from the outside so they are placed in a normal tag of war with Kenny at an advantage due to his superior domain refinment. They fight until eventually Kenny hits Yuta with a Mini Uzumaki, either killing him immedeatly or causing his domain to collapse from the damage. Even if Yuta somehow manages to damage Kenjaku enough to destroy his domain he would still have multiple curses with their own domains as well as high level SD and HWB to keep going until he can pull off the Mini Uzumaki.

If it's option 1 then Kenny takes it mid to high diff, if it's option 2 then it's extreme diff.

COOK