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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Eh, idk it doesn't follow everyone's suddenly got the power to push Maki & Toji how he did. I'd just go with Hanami being that durable, we know Jogo isn't durable as Hanami, and we know Dagon's stronger than Nanami, one of the stronger 1st Grades.
Hanami could be damaged by Goodwill Yuji (I'm talking about normal Yuji, black flash Yuji put holes in Hanami)
Beginning of Shibuya Yuji is relative in power to Nanami
And Hanami attacks can put holes in his Body
Which tracks with observation that Disaster curses AP scales higher than Thier durability
Naoya is honestly only relevant because of his speed
Any of the disaster curses would have folded him senseless if not because of that
 
Currently on mobile so I don't have the tools to calc it
You can ask @PowerToScale or @Arkenis tho
But that would be a good feat for Top tiers as well
Don't know if lower tiers would scale to it tho
The primary material didn't show us the destruction, so we can use this movie to get it
If I remember secondary material is valid as long as it doesn't contradict the source material
 
Hanami could be damaged by Goodwill Yuji (I'm talking about normal Yuji, black flash Yuji put holes in Hanami)
Yeah but its nothing noticeable. Hanami also says Yuji's strength is disappointing. Main point is that scaling them fully to Hanami who scales above Naoya who the calc is for who pushed Maki would be a contradiction in scaling.
 
Yeah but its nothing noticeable. Hanami also says Yuji's strength is disappointing. Main point is that scaling them fully to Hanami who scales above Naoya who the calc is for who pushed Maki would be a contradiction in scaling.
But like....
That's before he got black flash and then got to taste his cursed energy
Hanami then proceeded to call Yuji and Todo hits heavy(not as heavy as black flash mind you) and said they both have the power to damage him "individually"
From disappointing strength to a heavy hit, Yuji got boosted in said fight and in Shibuya Yuji strength "might be on Nanami level"
It wouldn't be a contradiction for None of them
There was two times we got to see how naoya fared when speed wasn't a factor in said fight
1. Choso: Got folded by supernova, a technique that an offguard Yuji took (Naoya was surprised but still)
2. First Maki fight, instantly layed out by a heavy punch from Maki, a HR user
Toji who has a body equal to Maki with a cursed tool that explicitly boost one's AP couldn't exorcise Dagon with a single hit
3. Honory mention is Kamo, someone who's piercing blood could only scrape Hanami but can tear through naoya flesh in curse form

All grade 1s should scale to this feat there's enough interactions with Naoya and with disaster curses to know that naoya is on easily below them, and grade 1s are capable of hanging with disaster curses with the exception of domain expansions and Outliers like Jogo
 
But like....
That's before he got black flash and then got to taste his cursed energy
So what? We're scaling him regularly, not a temp amp.

There was two times we got to see how naoya fared when speed wasn't a factor in said fight
1. Choso: Got folded by supernova, a technique that an offguard Yuji took (Naoya was surprised but still)
2. First Maki fight, instantly layed out by a heavy punch from Maki, a HR user
I'm talking about Cursed Naoya. We're talking about Cursed Naoya here not human.

Toji who has a body equal to Maki with a cursed tool that explicitly boost one's AP couldn't exorcise Dagon with a single hit
So what???

All grade 1s should scale to this feat there's enough interactions with Naoya and with disaster curses to know that naoya is on easily below them, and grade 1s are capable of hanging with disaster curses with the exception of domain expansions and Outliers like Jogo
Say out loud "I think all 1st grades should scale to FR Maki" and tell me if you think the manga demonstrates that.
 
So what? We're scaling him regularly, not a temp amp.
What do you mean an amp?
Todo who never landed any black flash was capable of landing heavy blows and hurting Hanami
Said temp amp doesn't exist in this case


Say out loud "I think all 1st grades should scale to FR Maki" and tell me if you think the manga demonstrates that.
No
What I actually mean is;
I know Grade 1 sorcerers scale to Curse womb Naoya, because they can land heavy blows on Hanami a person who is more durable that fully formed naoya who's above curse womb Naoya in dura
Only Curseya actually made Maki bleed internally with a bullrush that increases his toughness
Naoya relevance in said story is his technique, all evidence points to a naoya that is weaker than grade 1s but can push off his weight class using speed
And naoya never scaled to Fully restricted Maki, anytime Maki landed a hit naoya lost chunks of his body. She was stronger than him but wasn't as fast
 
Note
Said Dura goes like this;
Hanami> Curseya > Cursed womb Naoya who did said feat
Goodwill Yuji can damage Hanami and Hanami herself calls him and Todo blows heavy and acknowledge they can hurt her
Shibuya arrives, ino who saw Yuji strength firsthand thinks it might be on Nanami level
What makes this even funnier is that Anytime Maki lands a successful blow Naoya loses chunks of his body, which makes it evident that she's straight up superior to him in Strength, only speed is the problem
Even kamo can damage Curse womb Naoya and even Curseya
Toji a HR user couldn't do the same with Dagon (the weakest of the curses) with a curse tool that amps attacks and had to kill him by spamming blows
They straight up scale
 
What do you mean an amp?
Todo who never landed any black flash was capable of landing heavy blows and hurting Hanami
Said temp amp doesn't exist in this case
BF gives the sorcerer a zone amp where manipulating ce is easier, Yuji fought Hanami with that for majority of the fight. Todo would still be weaker than Hanami.

No
What I actually mean is;
I know Grade 1 sorcerers scale to Curse womb Naoya, because they can land heavy blows on Hanami a person who is more durable that fully formed naoya who's above curse womb Naoya in dura
Only Curseya actually made Maki bleed internally with a bullrush that increases his toughness
Naoya relevance in said story is his technique, all evidence points to a naoya that is weaker than grade 1s but can push off his weight class using speed
And naoya never scaled to Fully restricted Maki, anytime Maki landed a hit naoya lost chunks of his body. She was stronger than him but wasn't as fast
Landing heavy blows does not mean they now scale to Hanami fully. How is Naoya weaker than grade 1s when he is a grade 1.

They still hurt Hanami while Naoya's rush didn't hurt himself despite being significantly less durable than Hanami at that point
I don't disagree they can harm Hanami. What I disagree is fully scaling majority of the verse's mid tiers to Hanami when she's noted to be one of the most durable curses. Contextually Yuji's feats on Hanami are attributed to his BF zone amp, not him in Goodwill in general meaning Yuji doesn't scale normally. Todo's outright called weaker than Hanami so there's no reason to say he scales to her fully. We would just leave them where they are or down scale them at best.

Note
Said Dura goes like this;
Hanami> Curseya > Cursed womb Naoya who did said feat
Goodwill Yuji can damage Hanami and Hanami herself calls him and Todo blows heavy and acknowledge they can hurt her
Shibuya arrives, ino who saw Yuji strength firsthand thinks it might be on Nanami level
What makes this even funnier is that Anytime Maki lands a successful blow Naoya loses chunks of his body, which makes it evident that she's straight up superior to him in Strength, only speed is the problem
Even kamo can damage Curse womb Naoya and even Curseya
Toji a HR user couldn't do the same with Dagon (the weakest of the curses) with a curse tool that amps attacks and had to kill him by spamming blows
They straight up scale
You're leaving out way more: Hanami > Jogo > Naobito ~ Dagon > Nanami = Shibuya Yuji > Zone Amped Yuji > Goodwill Yuji
 
Isn't the Hanami statement about Curseya about his durability when he's not retreating into his shell? He never harmed Maki to any real degree without accelerating nor did he withstand any attacks from her.
 
Isn't the Hanami statement about Curseya about his durability when he's not retreating into his shell?
Yea.

He never harmed Maki to any real degree without accelerating nor did he withstand any attacks from her.
Even pushing her is a feat of its own. And he gets kicked by her, but regardless her attacks don't hurt because no ce in them.
 
I don't disagree they can harm Hanami. What I disagree is fully scaling majority of the verse's mid tiers to Hanami when she's noted to be one of the most durable curses. Contextually Yuji's feats on Hanami are attributed to his BF zone amp, not him in Goodwill in general meaning Yuji doesn't scale normally. Todo's outright called weaker than Hanami so there's no reason to say he scales to her fully. We would just leave them where they are or down scale them at best.
We aren't fully scaling them to Hanami tho. We are downscaling them from Hanami who upscales from Curseya so it evens out. Also like @OjeTheArcher15 pointed out before Todo isn't in the zone during the fight, it's his base form and Yuji is relative to Todo so the actual gap between base GW Yuji and zone amped Yuji isn't that significant
 
You're leaving out way more: Hanami > Jogo > Naobito ~ Dagon > Nanami = Shibuya Yuji > Zone Amped Yuji > Goodwill Yuji
Jogo doesn't scale above Naobito or Dagon in strength or durability tho, he is a glass canon while Dagon is a tank
 
BF gives the sorcerer a zone amp where manipulating ce is easier, Yuji fought Hanami with that for majority of the fight. Todo would still be weaker than Hanami.
But Yuji still scales above Todo in strength
And Todo being weaker than Hanami is unimportant, what matters is the fact he can damage Hanami
Which means he scales above Curse womb Naoya


Landing heavy blows does not mean they now scale to Hanami fully. How is Naoya weaker than grade 1s when he is a grade 1.
Damaging Hanami is what makes them scale
Weaker than the Grade 1 we see in the story that's what I mean


I don't disagree they can harm Hanami. What I disagree is fully scaling majority of the verse's mid tiers to Hanami when she's noted to be one of the most durable curses. Contextually Yuji's feats on Hanami are attributed to his BF zone amp, not him in Goodwill in general meaning Yuji doesn't scale normally. Todo's outright called weaker than Hanami so there's no reason to say he scales to her fully. We would just leave them where they are or down scale them at best.
Hanami based that analysis on his overall cursed energy which although plays a factor isn't the best judge of strength.
Example is Yuta and Gojo
Plus she immediately states that his blows are heavy
Harming Hanami is precisely why they should get such scaling, since the difference in dura Hanami and cursed womb Naoya is still large
They should scale above or be at least relative and leaving them where they are is ignoring the narrative
Hanami is the most durable curse that's why harming her puts them above Naoya who can be damaged by Kamo arrows

You're leaving out way more: Hanami > Jogo > Naobito ~ Dagon > Nanami = Shibuya Yuji > Zone Amped Yuji > Goodwill Yuji
This scaling doesn't really make sense tho
Is this based on AP? Cause I agree thier attacks scale above Thier dura anyway
Even ignoring Hanami, they should at least scale via kamo arrows piercing through cursed womb naoya and his piercing Blood tearing chuncks out his Full form
I think;
1. ultimate mechamaru
2. Todo
3. All disaster curses
4. Shibuya Yuji
5. Choso (his piercing blood is above kamo)
6. Nanami, Mei Mei and kusakabe
Should scale above that feat
 
Tbh, why are we downscaling them from Curse womb Naoya?
Especially when kamo of all people can damage him with arrows
Said kamo implicitly stated that he's weaker than before
 
There’s the City Level calc for Jogo’s Meteor that should help support Mountain Level since it’s pretty close to the baseline (79.5 Megatons, only 25% away).
People might say it contradicts the damage of the attack in the manga
Let me check if we can find a statement that jogo concentrated his attacks or implied he did
In the meantime it would be good if someone calculated this;
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NnY7KFtkVvr74nxK3NlXBdxEfzf-Jp1xGRcI5aL0Vgs/edit?tab=t.0 can someone recalc this because I looked at yuta's jjk0 profile and turns out we do use the movie lol
 
Should we get UES on board first?
because from what I'm seeing, we might not have enough feats for the mid tiers to scale to
 
Ryu's the only sorcerer capable of unleashing the same power with or without a technique
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