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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Sir_Marvulous said:
I think a calc reviewer said you can't get durability from the black hole feat

That tracks tbh. The black hole feats page says interaction with black holes is treated as resistance rather than High 3-A durability

Not that Kenny would get the former anyway
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Mr Agnaa told us resisting the black hole wouldn't give us any durability feat so we calculated PE based on kenjaku movement against the pull
Mr Agnaa reviewed it and said the calc method was valid but didn't check the Number side of the calc
 
I thought Abaddon also calced that for something much lower, but if that calc ends up working out we might get some solid support to help boost out of 8-A.

By the way, do we have any actual AP calcs for Max Output Blue for Teen Gojo? I know we got lifting strength from it for a while, but I imagine that would at least give some solid 8-C to 8-B range for him.
 
Arkenis said:
Just saw this Mechmaru ultimate cannon calc, and they get L7C for it. Besides the use of granite, what is wrong with this? https://the-lounges-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DcDoesPhysics/Mechamaru_Blasts_Panda
Here's our version
vsbattles.fandom.com

Ultimate Cannon - Jujutsu Kaisen

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Low 7-C vaporization calc
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"granite"
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Duedate8898 said:
I thought Abaddon also calced that for something much lower, but if that calc ends up working out we might get some solid support to help boost out of 8-A.

By the way, do we have any actual AP calcs for Max Output Blue for Teen Gojo? I know we got lifting strength from it for a while, but I imagine that would at least give some solid 8-C to 8-B range for him.
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If you mean the Naoya thing, nah I never calced that destruction.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
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Yeah... And I looked at some other calcs, the guy assumed Sukuna's domain destroyed everything like latent heat of vaporization for rocks. What was worse was Yuki scales to it on site. It's two years old so I doubt they still agree.
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah... And I looked at some other calcs, the guy assumed Sukuna's domain destroyed everything like latent heat of vaporization for rocks. What was worse was Yuki scales to it on site. It's two years old so I doubt they still agree.
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I just thought it was funny that "Low 7-C vap calc" and "granite" were in the same message. Cuz y'know the original granite blast calc
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah... And I looked at some other calcs, the guy assumed Sukuna's domain destroyed everything like latent heat of vaporization for rocks. What was worse was Yuki scales to it on site. It's two years old so I doubt they still agree.
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Actually, that does remind me. I do remember we have the Sukuna Calc from his low HP Fire Arrow, but does his original fire arrow change any now that we know he turns everything he cuts within his domain into fuel for his explosion?
 
Duedate8898 said:
Actually, that does remind me. I do remember we have the Sukuna Calc from his low HP Fire Arrow, but does his original fire arrow change any now that we know he turns everything he cuts within his domain into fuel for his explosion?
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Probably not. Unless we attribute a certain amount of explosive energy per volume it would still end up just being the fireball and whatever destruction values

Btw if I remember I’ll check out the Naoya calc and eval it
 
PowerToScale said:
after a long time it has been done, the calc has been evaluated and it....


is said to be good
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Slight nitpick. The calc should be adjusted just a bit cuz it claims Geto is 190 cm and sources the JJK wiki which has him listed as "over 180 cm"

Just use the Tokyo-Kyoto characters height chart. It has him between 190 and 180 cm, so 185 cm. An insignificant change, really
 
Quick Question:

I asked about true sukuna vs 19F Meguna because true form sukuna is supposed to be stronger, and was told that true sukuna is only small town level because a "fresh true form sukuna is only stronger than heavily damaged Meguna"

But it seems to me like true form Sukuna has still retained the same depreciated CE output as meguna from this



Also is this not accepted for scaling Miguel to Gojo? Its stated by Gojo himself



By this, wouldn't true form sukuna (after he landed a black flash that replenished his CE) be high 7-C / Scale to characters that are High 7-C?

There's some other things that might help my argument but I cant the chapters for them
 
Rogue_Forge said:
Quick Question:

I asked about true sukuna vs 19F Meguna because true form sukuna is supposed to be stronger, and was told that true sukuna is only small town level because a "fresh true form sukuna is only stronger than heavily damaged Meguna"

But it seems to me like true form Sukuna has still retained the same depreciated CE output as meguna from this



Also is this not accepted for scaling Miguel to Gojo? Its stated by Gojo himself



By this, wouldn't true form sukuna (after he landed a black flash that replenished his CE) be high 7-C / Scale to characters that are High 7-C?

There's some other things that might help my argument but I cant the chapters for them
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True form is stronger but not the one we see fight, he's far weaker than when he was Meguna because of the Gojo fight. If he didn't get messed up from the Gojo fight he'd be just as strong as Meguna or stronger since its his own body now.

Gojo isn't talking about Miguel being on his level of output. He's only saying that if they fought no ct then Miguel would do good in a short burst and in the long run Gojo would win due to how they fight. Think of it as Miguel fights for style, Gojo fights for lethality.
 
Arkenis said:
Gojo isn't talking about Miguel being on his level of output. He's only saying that if they fought no ct then Miguel would do good in a short burst and in the long run Gojo would win due to how they fight. Think of it as Miguel fights for style, Gojo fights for lethality.
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Gojo is still implying that Miguel is in the same range as him, at least physically, Gojo obviously wins on endurance because of the six eyes and he has better CE output and CT but he stated that Miguel has incredible physical strength even compared to him mostly due to his insane amount of muscle mass compared to Japanese people

And Gojo is still physically rated as Large Town Level so being physically as strong as him is still High 7-C
 
Arkenis said:
True form is stronger but not the one we see fight, he's far weaker than when he was Meguna because of the Gojo fight. If he didn't get messed up from the Gojo fight he'd be just as strong as Meguna or stronger since its his own body now.

Gojo isn't talking about Miguel being on his level of output. He's only saying that if they fought no ct then Miguel would do good in a short burst and in the long run Gojo would win due to how they fight. Think of it as Miguel fights for style, Gojo fights for lethality.
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That's not really what line and point movements are
 
It's also just the occam's razor explanation considering Miguel barely did anything to a mortally wounded, low output Sukuna
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Well take it up with Lightning then. He's the best individual translator for JJK and said as much
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1. Pretty sure Lightning is a she?
2. Lightning can give interpretations based on reasoning, but being a great translator doesn't change the meaning of words, and point/line movements are just different fighting styles/aspects of fighting. The fact that CE reinforcement is specifically mentioned makes it p clear stats are at least part of the comparison.
Sir_Marvulous said:
It's also just the occam's razor explanation considering Miguel barely did anything to a mortally wounded, low output Sukuna
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Lands every hit and doesn't get tagged once
 
MinatoSparkle said:
1. Pretty sure Lightning is a she?
2. Lightning can give interpretations based on reasoning, but being a great translator doesn't change the meaning of words, and point/line movements are just different fighting styles/aspects of fighting. The fact that CE reinforcement is specifically mentioned makes it p clear stats are at least part of the comparison.
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1. Idk
MinatoSparkle said:
Lands every hit and doesn't get tagged once
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Hits that only affect him as much as those of a character that is, clearly, comparable and only comparable. That's my point. Nothing about those interactions scream Gojo level power if that's all he manages to do to a Sukuna who is entirely worse for wear
 
Also wouldn't the soil be pulverized and not violent fragmented? We're given quite a bit of dust from the impact and dragging Maki went through, and there doesn't appear to be anything resembling small chunks once the dust clears. Then again, not sure how soil is pulverized
 
Duedate8898 said:
Also wouldn't the soil be pulverized and not violent fragmented? We're given quite a bit of dust from the impact and dragging Maki went through, and there doesn't appear to be anything resembling small chunks once the dust clears. Then again, not sure how soil is pulverized
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Yeah I figured this but where's all of it within the path? Its just a clear path no dust besides where he stopped.
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah I figured this but where's all of it within the path? Its just a clear path no dust besides where he stopped.
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I mean I'm assuming it got carried towards the final place of impact as the wall Maki got slammed into doesn't really have that significant of damage to it, so the dust couldn't have come from it. Plus, there isn't any displace soil around her or Naoya when we see them after everything has cleared so its essentially disappeared
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
1. Idk

Hits that only affect him as much as those of a character that is, clearly, comparable and only comparable. That's my point. Nothing about those interactions scream Gojo level power if that's all he manages to do to a Sukuna who is entirely worse for wear
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1. Sukuna honestly just has very high durability/endurance, and besides, blood did get impacted out of Sukuna's body from Miguel's hits
2. I don't necessarily think there's a MASSIVE physical gap between weakened TF Sukuna and Meguna, though it's obviously significant
 
Hmm, this feat should offer some solid values for Teen Gojo and Toji now, and might also be used to do a general upgrade of our mid tiers since the Naoya that did this would be not as tough as Hanami. Though the latter might be a bit more of a longshot.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Hmm, this feat should offer some solid values for Teen Gojo and Toji now, and might also be used to do a general upgrade of our mid tiers since the Naoya that did this would be not as tough as Hanami. Though the latter might be a bit more of a longshot.
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Eh, idk it doesn't follow everyone's suddenly got the power to push Maki & Toji how he did. I'd just go with Hanami being that durable, we know Jogo isn't durable as Hanami, and we know Dagon's stronger than Nanami, one of the stronger 1st Grades.
 
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