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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

I don't think people understand that gojo is literally thanos, like anypoint in the story, take them out and have them 1v1 again
Sukuna will die
Sure hes got the wits-end in their canon fight but isnt it impossible to replicate it again? Thanos got beaten 1 out of 14mil, and this is the same situation
 
Full power Rika is relative to Yuta, said statement was made by someone who fought both of them, I don't know where these people are getting "Massively stronger" from
Even during the Shinjuku arc, Sukuna went out of his way to envelope his hands with slashes to avoid getting in contact with Yuta sword, when he doesn't do that Yuta cuts entire chunks off his body
It's funny because Yuta's Cleave barely does any significant damage to Sukuna, yet we take Sukuna covering his body with slashes as if Yuta would have seriously harmed him. I just see it as Sukuna being cautious about Yuta possibly using an unknown cursed tool. I don't think he was blocking Yuta's sword with slashes because it would have done serious damage.
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I mean even dura neg attack from Yuta barely does this
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We are talking about raw strength here so the sword point is kind of irrelevant. Rika can throw around Ishigori and crack his skull and Ryu is stronger than Yuta. She was also the one pressing Sukuna the most during the domain fight and straight up overpowers him several times.

Way stronger might be an exaggeration but there is clear gap in strength between them
Same Ryu that Yuta can draw blood from and Ryu is also stronger than Rika
Plus Yuta can hold the same Ryu in place for a redirected Granite blast to hit him
Because she's one of the characters that can float and most of Yuta attacks in that domain was CT based which overpowered Sukuna
Plus Ryu the person who fought both Rika and Yuta says both are relative, there's no clear gap between them
 
It's funny because Yuta's Cleave barely does any significant damage to Sukuna, yet we take Sukuna covering his body with slashes as if Yuta would have seriously harmed him. I just see it as Sukuna being cautious about Yuta possibly using an unknown cursed tool. I don't think he was blocking Yuta's sword with slashes because it would have done serious damage.
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I mean even dura neg attack from Yuta barely does this
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Counterpoint: We do see what happens when he doesn't block
Sukuna loses a chunk of his arms
Cleave can be as a result of him using it for the first time (maybe) and Freshly learned technique have low output
Have no explanation for sky manipulation
 
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Counterpoint: We do see what happens when he doesn't block
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Sukuna loses a chunk of his arms
Cleave can be as a result of him using it for the first time (maybe) and Freshly learned technique have low output
Have no explanation for sky manipulation

But that's a Sukuna who got punched by a lot of Yuji's soul punches and had his output dropped considerably which would affect his reinforcement as well.

Especially since I do think there's a moment in the fight that Sukuna is blocking Yuta's sword with his arm with no issue at all.
 
But that's a Sukuna who got punched by a lot of Yuji's soul punches and had his output dropped considerably which would affect his reinforcement as well.

Especially since I do think there's a moment in the fight that Sukuna is blocking Yuta's sword with his arm with no issue at all.
All blocks sukuna did was with dismantle
He never blocked Yuta blade without it
There's always a "KLNG" SFX when sukuna blocks his slash with dismantle
 
All blocks sukuna did was with dismantle
He never blocked Yuta blade without it
There's always a "KLNG" SFX when sukuna blocks his slash with dismantle
Not really, since when Sukuna gets one of his arms immobilized by Yuji after Rika throws him at Sukuna, he blocks one of Yuta's attack with his palm, only after he starts to use Dismantle to swat other attacks away.

And when he goes for a Cleave on Yuji, we can see him blocking Yuta's sword with his arm with no sound affect.
 
Rika is just a lot stronger than Yuta tbh, even during the domain fight in Shinjuku she was literally picking up Sukuna and throwing him around.
Rika is just a lot bigger than Yuta. That's it. Because of her large size it makes all the things she does so much easier.
One of her fingers can wrap around his leg. One of her hands takes up True Form Sukuna's entire body. It's why its much easier to show her just throwing shit around and causing lots of environmental damage even though other characters are easily capable of doing the same thing and do on multiple occasions.
Yuji throws Sukuna around later in the fight too, does that make him stronger than Yuta or equal to Rika? Yuji also throws that car at Yuta the first time they met and Yuta instantly regains himself and throws it right back no problem.
He has the CE to boost his physicals to do these things, it's just not his m.o which is why you see it less but he consistently hangs with people who can perform such feats e.g Yuji, Hakari, Ryu, Rika and Sukuna.
The only time I can agree she's way stronger is after she's gotten mad she was separated from Yuta, so she opened her eye and her output raised again. She got strong enough to the point that a single one of her hits was able to make Ryu bleed like crazy from his head.
Also I always interpreted the "we are playing around" line as him trying to calm Rika down so that she doesn't crush Yuji to death before he can output RCT into him
That's a fair interpretation but I still think Yuta doesn't try much still tbh.
He knows about Yuji's mental state and wants to end the fight as quick as possible but he underestimated Yuji multiple times, but it was still pretty clear that there was a real discrepancy in their strength.
And Yuji knew that, which is why he assumed Yuta would be able to handle 16F Sukuna.
At least that's my interpretation.
 
SO you agree with they are comparable or you still in belief that she is way below Yuta's level? Yuta's feats are not anything relative to Kenny's. They themselves admits all of them need to jump on him.
This isn't about Kenjaku and Yuta, its about Yuki's skill in comparison to Yuta's.

They just talk about how Yuta's defence is based on CE pool and Ryu having geat offence and speed nothing about any skills though.
Look at the fight, he's pushing Yuta and keeping him on the defensive.
Also heavily implied Ryu doesn't want fight in CQC and He blasted Yuta wish CE blast next page. So I don't see him being in good comparison to any top tiers.
Yuta says this and then gets beat up close.

Oh brother he was focused because Yuji was not adjusted to infuse Cursed into objects at that point and needed to be in guard everytime.
Yuta says "you're too focused on my katana", that's what I'm talking about.

We literally see him breaking Yuta's sword and was confident enough to beat him up if it wasn't for his sword and Yuta has no other feat for overshadowing Yuji's CQC skills.
That's not a good thing if every time an opponent with a sword comes along you have to disarm them because otherwise you can't fight against it. Being confident means nothing.

Why are you ignoring the fact she was injured again and again? Also Kenjaku character doesn't just stand down if he is confident enough to beat his opponents down. His body is slightly influenced by Geto's character also who is good in CQC and who also engaged Yuta in CQC. Geto only lost due to Sts. Also Kenny was beating Choso up in Hand to Hand in same fight before.
She got injured because she made a bad decision. That makes her look worse in cqc. No one said he stands down, I said waiting for his ct to come back is the smarter choice. Reread the fight, its a lot of Yuki making bad decisions and Kenjaku making good ones and always ending up countering or getting meaningful hits in.

Yuji wasn’t on defense—he was constantly on the offensive against Sukuna. It was Yuta who was playing defense, and Rika was just throwing punches.
I am talking about Yuji vs Yuta.

Yuki also lead Kenny to the point where he gets stuck by Garuda and Choso tagging him up there is enough IQ feat except Kenny was just too much for her. But that's doesn't mean Kenny and Yuta's CQC skills are on same level.
Yuki was analysing Kenny throughout the fight. So If you claim it's about environment and other stuff she also does have enough IQ feats.
This isn't even a response to what I said lmao. I told you you're confused on what cqc means and explained how everything Kenjaku did was beneficial. Kenjaku getting caught by Garuda isn't some high IQ play by Yuki, he has no other way to get it off that's the only reason it worked. All her analyzing failed; thought she should keep pushing him instead of just rcting, ended up losing Garuda's hold on him. If she had rct'ed then put Garuda on him she'd have fought him healed, Garuda on him and Choso fighting too. She figured out Gravity tech had a cooldown, but thinks she should keep pushing him, and ends up forgetting he's got csm and gets destroyed by Uzumaki.
 
This isn't about Kenjaku and Yuta, its about Yuki's skill in comparison to Yuta's.
Yeah? Who said otherwise? I was talking about how your argument that "Yuta fought someone, so his skills should be on their level" is completely wrong.
Look at the fight, he's pushing Yuta and keeping him on the defensive.

Yuta says this and then gets beat up close.
That just means Yuta isn't good enough that's all.
Yuta says "you're too focused on my katana", that's what I'm talking about.
Because Yuji had to worry about the huge stat gap between them, and that was a cursed tool. He regained his confidence after he broke the sword; even before that, Yuta was struggling to land a proper hit

Manga made it clear Yuji can easily predict Yuta's moment it just his blows are strong he might get cooked if even one lands
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That's not a good thing if every time an opponent with a sword comes along you have to disarm them because otherwise you can't fight against it. Being confident means nothing.
Yuta, even with a sword, barely did anything based on skill. Lmao, you’re just exaggerating things here. Yuji obviously has the upper hand in the skill department.
She got injured because she made a bad decision. That makes her look worse in cqc. No one said he stands down, I said waiting for his ct to come back is the smarter choice. Reread the fight, its a lot of Yuki making bad decisions and Kenjaku making good ones and always ending up countering or getting meaningful hits in.
Yuki marking Bad Decisions ❎Tengen bum made the bad decision✅
Yuki was about to engage in a Domain battle, and even by Kenny's own words, it would have been a better choice for her. It was stopped by Tengen, not by Yuki's own decision.
I am talking about Yuji vs Yuta.
I'm talking about this 👇
It's more that he's able to move around with Yuji, coordinate and assist one another that demonstrates his quality of cqc.
This isn't even a response to what I said lmao. I told you you're confused on what cqc means and explained how everything Kenjaku did was beneficial. Kenjaku getting caught by Garuda isn't some high IQ play by Yuki, he has no other way to get it off that's the only reason it worked.
She led him to that. Not he intentionally got caught.
All her analyzing failed; thought she should keep pushing him instead of just rcting, ended up losing Garuda's hold on him. If she had rct'ed then put Garuda on him she'd have fought him healed, Garuda on him and Choso fighting too. She figured out Gravity tech had a cooldown, but thinks she should keep pushing him, and ends up forgetting he's got csm and gets destroyed by Uzumaki.
It seems you are too focused on your agenda and forgot that the plan was made by Tengen, not to use her own Domain. It's not Yuki's fault, as Tengen hyped up Kenjaku's advantages. Still, Kenny was able to complement her skills.

Her knowing Curse Manipulation doesn't mean anything, as she was countering them. The only issue was that there was no way to predict Kenny was about to spam mini Uzumaki, and there was no way for us to know if it was Geto's original technique or Kenny's improvement over Curse Manipulation.

Also, you are making up headcanons about her forgetting Curse Manipulation—she never forgot it. Like I said, the turning point here is the mini Uzumaki, not Curse Manipulation itself, as she was indeed countering his curses.
 
Kashimo probably takes it even in base. Jogo isn't very liberal with his domain expansions so he's likely to end up in CQC, build up charge, and then get destroyed. If he fought more from a range and tried to keep his distant he could probably eek out a win or if he hit domain expansion to start and kept his distant before HWB was worn down, but Jogo just doesn't fight like that so he loses more often than not
 
I think Kashimo's just too fast for any tactics of Jogo's to matter but ik people here have very different opinions on stat cliffing in the series than me
 
Because Yuji had to worry about the huge stat gap between them, and that was a cursed tool. He regained his confidence after he broke the sword; even before that, Yuta was struggling to land a proper hit

Manga made it clear Yuji can easily predict Yuta's moment it just his blows are strong he might get cooked if even one lands
You don't have to worry about something if you can fight around it. Yuji couldn't. Manga says that then Yuji goes onto focus too much on the sword and gets kicked, this means Yuji wasn't balancing his focus properly.

Yuta, even with a sword, barely did anything based on skill. Lmao, you’re just exaggerating things here. Yuji obviously has the upper hand in the skill department.
Nothing's being exaggerated. Having to disarm when you fight against someone with a weapon is a sign you aren't capable as other in those scenarios.

Yuki marking Bad Decisions ❎Tengen bum made the bad decision✅
Yuki was about to engage in a Domain battle, and even by Kenny's own words, it would have been a better choice for her. It was stopped by Tengen, not by Yuki's own decision.
Nothing I said had to do with Domains, I'm talking about after.

She led him to that. Not he intentionally got caught.
I didn't say it was intentional.

It seems you are too focused on your agenda and forgot that the plan was made by Tengen, not to use her own Domain. It's not Yuki's fault, as Tengen hyped up Kenjaku's advantages. Still, Kenny was able to complement her skills.
Again we aren't talking about the domain, we're talking about what Yuki did afterwards. You're shifting blame on Tengen when Yuki was the one fighting after the domain got broken and made the bad decisions.

Her knowing Curse Manipulation doesn't mean anything, as she was countering them. The only issue was that there was no way to predict Kenny was about to spam mini Uzumaki, and there was no way for us to know if it was Geto's original technique or Kenny's improvement over Curse Manipulation.
Also, you are making up headcanons about her forgetting Curse Manipulation—she never forgot it. Like I said, the turning point here is the mini Uzumaki, not Curse Manipulation itself, as she was indeed countering his curses.
I don't mean she actually forgot, she became less wary of it is all. So she knows he has Uzumaki, sorcerers sense the spark of activation, yet there's no way to predict? As I said this is a bad showing of her analyzing her opponent. However you wanna spin it, it's still Yuki making these decisions and getting destroyed for it.
 
You don't have to worry about something if you can fight around it. Yuji couldn't. Manga says that then Yuji goes onto focus too much on the sword and gets kicked, this means Yuji wasn't balancing his focus properly.
You need to worry if you're opponents is stronger than you and can land a decision blow Arkenis. Idk why you are bringing difference in status stuff here as a good CQC skills for Yuta.
Nothing's being exaggerated. Having to disarm when you fight against someone with a weapon is a sign you aren't capable as other in those scenarios.
I Literally sent the scan for Yuji easily predicting Yuta's moment but scared of his output. At this point you are making headcanon about Yuta out skilling Yuji here.
Nothing I said had to do with Domains, I'm talking about after.


I didn't say it was intentional.


Again we aren't talking about the domain, we're talking about what Yuki did afterwards. You're shifting blame on Tengen when Yuki was the one fighting after the domain got broken and made the bad decisions.
Dude if she healed he would have regained his domain and they would be back to square one so that's one of the option they had you are pushing your own stuff on here nothing about that was a bad decision. It was one of the option that's all. Tengen knows more about Kenjaku so even if Tengen suggested Yuta that he would have done the same thing as far as I see.
I don't mean she actually forgot, she became less wary of it is all. So she knows he has Uzumaki, sorcerers sense the spark of activation, yet there's no way to predict? As I said this is a bad showing of her analyzing her opponent. However you wanna spin it, it's still Yuki making these decisions and getting destroyed for it.
What you are arguing is a skill feat for Kenjaku sneaking up Uzumaki also even if she got the spark it's too late because Uzumaki is a energy blast he had already created that compressed.

By your logic Gojo sucks at CQC because he couldn't predict Sukuna's spark when using WCS? By letting his guard down
Now what Kusakabe, Maki and others who can predict WCS with sparks > Gojo in CQC?
 
We spend to much time complaining about how bad the verse is without attempting to upgrade it
Don't know if we should do a Megathread to implement all our evaluated calcs.
I'm thinking 7A for the top tiers (via @PowerToScale kenjaku calc, if it goes through)
Then God tiers should scale to H7A via the Gojo's earthquake (The reason for that distance used in that calc was disproved in the chapter itself, gojo was placed in the deepest area of the Japan trench)
 
I'm thinking 7A for the top tiers (via @PowerToScale kenjaku calc, if it goes through)
Then God tiers should scale to H7A via the Gojo's earthquake (The reason for that distance used in that calc was disproved in the chapter itself, gojo was placed in the deepest area of the Japan trench)
Was there anything to suggest gojo caused it? Couldn’t it just have been from the prison realm breaking tbf
 
I'm thinking 7A for the top tiers (via @PowerToScale kenjaku calc, if it goes through)
Then God tiers should scale to H7A via the Gojo's earthquake (The reason for that distance used in that calc was disproved in the chapter itself, gojo was placed in the deepest area of the Japan trench)
would the depth gojo was placed in matter? Also couldn't the kenny feat be concluded as an outlier anyway's?
 
Was there anything to suggest gojo caused it? Couldn’t it just have been from the prison realm breaking tbf
If the energy came from the Prison Realm breaking then we're left with the question as to why destroying the back didn't also release a lot of energy as it was connected to the prison realm as well. It appears more likely that Gojo in his rapid moving from the trenches released a lot of energy in the process of making his way out. Especially as he was being watched over by a cursed spirit.

would the depth gojo was placed in matter? Also couldn't the kenny feat be concluded as an outlier anyway's?
Depth matters because it determines the strength of the earthquake. And the kenny feat could be an outlier, though if we have two or more feats around that level then it might end up consistent for the top tiers.
 
If the energy came from the Prison Realm breaking then we're left with the question as to why destroying the back didn't also release a lot of energy as it was connected to the prison realm as well. It appears more likely that Gojo in his rapid moving from the trenches released a lot of energy in the process of making his way out. Especially as he was being watched over by a cursed spirit.
1. Couldn't gojo just teleport?

2. https://loinew.com/images/Zb8520cVQoWe1dd0whkQ1712194076.jpg
Kenjaku says he put a CS as a detector, with seals alongside it. Tho there are different translations about the seals being the one to kill gojo or kenjaku doing it, I think the former makes sense so gojo probably just overpowered them causing the earthquake ig
Depth matters because it determines the strength of the earthquake. And the kenny feat could be an outlier, though if we have two or more feats around that level then it might end up consistent for the top tiers.
do tell, I'm not being sarcastic lol i'm curious
 
1. Couldn't gojo just teleport?

2. https://loinew.com/images/Zb8520cVQoWe1dd0whkQ1712194076.jpg
Kenjaku says he put a CS as a detector, with seals alongside it. Tho there are different translations about the seals being the one to kill gojo or kenjaku doing it, I think the former makes sense so gojo probably just overpowered them causing the earthquake ig
Gojo's teleportation affects the environment, hence why he can't utilize it in dense spaces like Shibuya. As it is an application of blue, if he's located within a dense or small space (like a trench within the sea) then in order to do the teleporation he has to impact the space he leaves behind.
do tell, I'm not being sarcastic lol i'm curious
Due to he square inverse law, the force of an earthquake is weaker the further it gets from its origin. So the further down Gojo is located, the stronger the earthquake from his release has to be in order for it to be tangibly felt by the cast
 
Due to he square inverse law, the force of an earthquake is weaker the further it gets from its origin. So the further down Gojo is located, the stronger the earthquake from his release has to be in order for it to be tangibly felt by the cast
what was the other feat?



also vsbw, accept phantom parade as canon and my life is yours
 
would the depth gojo was placed in matter? Also couldn't the kenny feat be concluded as an outlier anyway's?
Yeah the depth increases the distance
For it to be an outlier their must be multiple feats that are consistent
Let's check Kenny total feats
1. Playfully folded jujustu high
2. Got into a fight where said feat came from
3. Fought a reality warper where half of his inventory was useless on and got killed by the No.2 of jujustu high
Yeah not enough feats exist to even call it an outlier

As for who scales to him;
Yuta, Yuki, Maki, Toji Ryu and Uro
We do NOT care about Hakari and Bumshimo scaling (they can low-key die in 8A for all I care)
 
Yeah the depth increases the distance
For it to be an outlier their must be multiple feats that are consistent
Let's check Kenny total feats
1. Playfully folded jujustu high
2. Got into a fight where said feat came from
3. Fought a reality warper and got killed by the No.2 of jujustu high
Yeah not enough feats exist to even call it an outlier
was referring to it being so wildly above everything else in the series bar gojo's earthquake
 
I think a calc reviewer said you can't get durability from the black hole feat

That tracks tbh. The black hole feats page says interaction with black holes is treated as resistance rather than High 3-A durability

Not that Kenny would get the former anyway
 
was referring to it being so wildly above everything else in the series bar gojo's earthquake
I think it would be reviewed by a case by case basis
Even taking it being above everything in the series (again bar Gojo earthquake and actual outliers like the black hole itself and Perfect sphere) that only fulfills one of the five guidelines for a feat to be regarded as an outlier
So we can still get passed that
Edit: I've seen Verses get boosted via one feat that's massively above the rest , so it's all really how the narrative paints it
Based on narrative, kenjaku saw the entire fight as a fun warmup but was constantly monitoring Yuta (HIM) so narrative intent could justify the verse scaling to high feats
 
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