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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Da3ggman said:
I have a fun little question for you all:

Where do you guys think these verse would be in speed on the site if Naoyo’s Mach 3 statement didn’t exist?
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We probably would scale the God tiers like Sukuna and Gojo to Kashimo's EM waves, and the top tiers would probably be at minimum MHS+ because of Kashimo's lightning and Black Flash.

Basically, if it wasn't for Naoya (and Gege) screwing everything up, Kashimo would carry the speed meta.

Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot we accept Jacob's Ladder as lightspeed. I've seen sub-relativistic to relativistic calcs for Sukuna jumping up it, so maybe the end of series top tiers would scale to that.
 
Granted, does Curse Naoya really stop the speed meta? He gets beaten, and all of the characters get stronger after the fight with him, so at least for the end of the series, there isn't really a contradiction for higher end speed feats (at least, from what I remember).
 
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XSOULOFCINDERX said:
What was this supposed to be since it isn't loading?
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Alright I just finished a Paleontology assignment and have a lot of free time, so imma prove to yall that Mahito absolutely deserves to be in the top 10 discussions

Stats

Some notes:
  • Yuta was holding back against Yuji: This is as far as I can tell completely unsupported by the fight. Yuta's mission was to kill Yuji to complete his BV with the higher ups and revive him with RCT, there is no reason for him to hold back in anyway here. Yuta is also surprised several times by Yuji's speed and even admits that this was never going to be an easy fight. Infact the person that's stated outright to have been holding back during the fight wasn't Yuta, it was Yuji and that's on top of him not having fully recovered physically from Shibuya.
    • A common counter argument to CG Yuji = CG Yuta in stats (one that I've actually used in the past) is that a stronger Yuji that fought Meguna was still weaker than Maki. The answer is simply that Maki is stronger than CG Yuta in stats, I mean the main deal of HR is giving you high stats in exchange for no CE.
  • While Yuji was weakened physically, spiritually and mentally while fighting Mahito, by the time he entered ISBODK they where both at their limit so it evens out.
  • Gege states that Kenjaku would have a really hard time capturing Mahito and Jogo, cementing further that Mahito is a threat to even the top tiers. Also since capturing high level curses requires that you suffeciently weaken them first, Gege is very much talking about Kenny struggling against Mahito and Jogo in a fight.
Idle Transfiguration/ Self-Embodiment of Perfection

  • Mahito can alter other peoples souls by touching them. While Nanami and other sorcerers can subconciously defend against IT, with Mahito needing 3 or 4 hits to fully alter the former this was also the absolute weakest form of Mahito. Later just 0.2 seconds of exposure to IT where enough to transfigure Todo's arm and would have likely killed him had he not cut it off.
  • Mahito can use Idle Transfiguration to maintain the shape of his soul meaning that only attacks to his soul can actually damage him. No matter how strong the attack, even if his entire body is destroyed, as long as his soul is fine he won't be hurt. The only ways of getting around this are being aware of the soul and thus able to damage it, negating his Cursed Technique entirely or draining Mahito of CE so that he won't be able to use his CT. All of these are very limited wincons, there's like 6 people in the whole verse that can damage the soul directly (and no incarnated sorcerers do not count, Yuji and Sukuna are a special case when it comes to their soul awareness), the only things that have been shown negating CTs are RCT output, ISoH, Black Rope and Angel's CT and Mahito has some of the highest CE reserves in the verse having used IT 1000 times on the people in the train and still having enough in the tank to do literally everything else he did in Shibuya. Genuinely this abilitiy is so absurd that I think it puts Mahito in top 10 convos just by itself.
    • There is the possible wincon of beating Mahito in a domain fight and attacking him while he is on cooldown but considering how durable he is and how quickly he can recover from cooldown most people wouldn't be able to take him out in this window.
  • Self-Embodiment of Perfection is a pretty straight forward domain with IT as the sure hit, the main thing to note about it is it's activation speed. Mahito is able to fuse the two step process of forming the barrier and activating the CT into one, this means that if he calshes with another domain, most of the time, Mahito will be able to strike his opponent with IT before they activate their own sure hit. The activation speed is so fast Todo wasn't able to open his SD in time to defend himself and it's even used as a benchmark for Hakari's non-lethal domain.
Matchups

I think I've established pretty well that Mahito has the raw stats to keep up with the high-top tiers and the hax to pose a threat to basically everyone in the verse, so I'm gonna go over some winning match ups of his to solidify that he is absolutely in the top 15 and should be at the very least considered for top 10
  • Kashimo (Base or MBA): Can't damage Mahito and gets killed by DE
  • Uraume: Same deal as Kashimo. She does have the possible wincon of keeping Mahito contained in ice and winning by sealing but unless she is perpetually maintains the ice Mahito is gonna break out and if she did do that she'd probably run out of CE before he does
  • Hakari: This one is closer to a 50/50 because Hakari is one of the few people that might be able to stall Mahito long enough to compltely drain his CE pool but he needs to be able to land every Jackpot and also not get taken out while fighting in the domain. There's also the whole thing about if Jackpot can heal soul damage or not since it's subconciouss, I don't think it can personally but even without that it would take a lot of hits for Mahito to transfigure Hakari due to his CE pool.
  • Other top 15 people I think he beats for similair reasons: Jogo, Ryu, Uro, Curseya and probably Miguel too
TLDR: Respect Mahito, the True Human
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Giannysmag said:
Alright I just finished a Paleontology assignment and have a lot of free time, so imma prove to yall that Mahito absolutely deserves to be in the top 10 discussions

Stats

Some notes:
  • Yuta was holding back against Yuji: This is as far as I can tell completely unsupported by the fight. Yuta's mission was to kill Yuji to complete his BV with the higher ups and revive him with RCT, there is no reason for him to hold back in anyway here. Yuta is also surprised several times by Yuji's speed and even admits that this was never going to be an easy fight. Infact the person that's stated outright to have been holding back during the fight wasn't Yuta, it was Yuji and that's on top of him not having fully recovered physically from Shibuya.
    • A common counter argument to CG Yuji = CG Yuta in stats (one that I've actually used in the past) is that a stronger Yuji that fought Meguna was still weaker than Maki. The answer is simply that Maki is stronger than CG Yuta in stats, I mean the main deal of HR is giving you high stats in exchange for no CE.
  • While Yuji was weakened physically, spiritually and mentally while fighting Mahito, by the time he entered ISBODK they where both at their limit so it evens out.
  • Gege states that Kenjaku would have a really hard time capturing Mahito and Jogo, cementing further that Mahito is a threat to even the top tiers. Also since capturing high level curses requires that you suffeciently weaken them first, Gege is very much talking about Kenny struggling against Mahito and Jogo in a fight.
Idle Transfiguration/ Self-Embodiment of Perfection

  • Mahito can alter other peoples souls by touching them. While Nanami and other sorcerers can subconciously defend against IT, with Mahito needing 3 or 4 hits to fully alter the former however this was also the absolute weakest form of Mahito. Later just 0.2 seconds of exposure to IT where enough to transfigure Todo's arm and would have likely killed him had he not cut it off.
  • Mahito can use Idle Transfiguration to maintain the shape of his soul meaning that only attacks to his soul can actually damage him. No matter how strong the attack or even if his entire body is destroyed, as long as his soul is fine he won't be hurt. The only ways of getting around this are being aware of the soul and thus able to damage it, negating his Cursed Technique entirely or draining Mahito of CE so that he won't be able to use his CT. All of these are very limited wincons, there's like 6 people in the whole verse that can damage the soul directly (and no incarnated sorcerers do not count, Yuji and Sukuna are a special case when it comes to their soul awareness), the only things that have been shown negating CTs are RCT output, ISoH, Black Rope and Angel's CT and Mahito has some of the highest CE reserves in the verse having used IT 1000 times on the people in the train and still have enough in the tank to do literally everything else he did in Shibuya. Genuienly this abilitiy is so absurd that I think it put Mahito in top 10 convos just by itself.
    • There is the possible wincon of beating Mahito in a domain fight and attacking him while he is on cooldown but considering how durable he is and how quickly he can recover from cooldown most people wouldn't be able to take him out in this window
  • Self-Embodiment of Perfection is a pretty straight forward domain with IT as the sure hit, the main thing to note about it is it's activation speed. Mahito is able to fuse the two step process of forming the barrier and activating the CT into one, this means that if he calshes with another domain, most of the time, Mahito will be able to strike his opponent with IT before they have activated their own sure hit. The activation speed is so fast Todo wasn't able to open his SD in time to defend himself and it's even used as a benchmark for Hakari's non-lethal domain.
Matchups

I think I've established pretty well that Mahito has the raw stats to keep up with the high-top tiers and the hax to pose a threat to basically everyone in the verse, so I'm gonna go over some winning match ups of his to solidify that he is absolutely in the top 15 and should be at the very least considered for top 10
  • Kashimo (Base or MBA): Can't damage Mahito and gets killed by DE
  • Uraume: Same deal as Kashimo. She does have the possible wincon of keeping Mahito contained in ice and winning by sealing but unless she is perpetually maintains the ice Mahito is probably gonna break out and she did do that she'd probably run out of CE before he does
  • Hakari: This one is closer to a 50/50 because Hakari is one of the few people that might be able to stall Mahito long enough to compltely drain his CE pool but he needs to be able to land every Jackpot and also not get taken out while fighting in the domain. There's also the whole thing about if Jackpot can heal soul damage or not since it's subconciouss, I don't think it can personally but even without that it would take a lot of hits for Mahito to transfigure Hakari due to his CE pool.
  • Other top 15 people I think he beats for similair reasons: Jogo, Ryu, Uro, Curseya and probably Miguel too
TLDR: Respect Mahito, the True Human
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I agree with everything apart from Yuta not holding back
Reasons?
It Affects my agenda hence its not true
 
Giannysmag said:
  • Self-Embodiment of Perfection is a pretty straight forward domain with IT as the sure hit, the main thing to note about it is it's activation speed. Mahito is able to fuse the two step process of forming the barrier and activating the CT into one, this means that if he calshes with another domain, most of the time, Mahito will be able to strike his opponent with IT before they have activated their own sure hit. The activation speed is so fast Todo wasn't able to open his SD in time to defend himself and it's even used as a benchmark for Hakari's non-lethal domain.
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Definitely an issue for some, but a big counter is what Todo did, and given so many have rct in the t10, its gonna be countered and then they de or sd to null it if he keeps it up. And a counter to this is that soul attacks can't be rct'ed without knowing the contours of the soul, well most of the t10 should have that like Kenjaku, Kashimo, Uraume, Yuji, Yuta, Gojo, Yorozu, Yuki, so they'd be fine. And on the time activation, Yuta and Higuruma noticed the slight difference in activation speed within less than a 0.01s difference, not far fetched to say this is above Mahito's own activation speed, but the fact Todo reacted quick enough his entire body wasn't soul haxxed, and others with de or sd of their own are faster than Todo would let them counter better.


Giannysmag said:
Gege states that Kenjaku would have a really hard time capturing Mahito and Jogo,
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Together they'd be hard, individually they wouldn't.
 
Giannysmag said:
Alright I just finished a Paleontology assignment and have a lot of free time, so imma prove to yall that Mahito absolutely deserves to be in the top 10 discussions

Stats

Some notes:
  • Yuta was holding back against Yuji: This is as far as I can tell completely unsupported by the fight. Yuta's mission was to kill Yuji to complete his BV with the higher ups and revive him with RCT, there is no reason for him to hold back in anyway here. Yuta is also surprised several times by Yuji's speed and even admits that this was never going to be an easy fight. Infact the person that's stated outright to have been holding back during the fight wasn't Yuta, it was Yuji and that's on top of him not having fully recovered physically from Shibuya.
    • A common counter argument to CG Yuji = CG Yuta in stats (one that I've actually used in the past) is that a stronger Yuji that fought Meguna was still weaker than Maki. The answer is simply that Maki is stronger than CG Yuta in stats, I mean the main deal of HR is giving you high stats in exchange for no CE.
  • While Yuji was weakened physically, spiritually and mentally while fighting Mahito, by the time he entered ISBODK they where both at their limit so it evens out.
  • Gege states that Kenjaku would have a really hard time capturing Mahito and Jogo, cementing further that Mahito is a threat to even the top tiers. Also since capturing high level curses requires that you suffeciently weaken them first, Gege is very much talking about Kenny struggling against Mahito and Jogo in a fight.
Idle Transfiguration/ Self-Embodiment of Perfection

  • Mahito can alter other peoples souls by touching them. While Nanami and other sorcerers can subconciously defend against IT, with Mahito needing 3 or 4 hits to fully alter the former this was also the absolute weakest form of Mahito. Later just 0.2 seconds of exposure to IT where enough to transfigure Todo's arm and would have likely killed him had he not cut it off.
  • Mahito can use Idle Transfiguration to maintain the shape of his soul meaning that only attacks to his soul can actually damage him. No matter how strong the attack, even if his entire body is destroyed, as long as his soul is fine he won't be hurt. The only ways of getting around this are being aware of the soul and thus able to damage it, negating his Cursed Technique entirely or draining Mahito of CE so that he won't be able to use his CT. All of these are very limited wincons, there's like 6 people in the whole verse that can damage the soul directly (and no incarnated sorcerers do not count, Yuji and Sukuna are a special case when it comes to their soul awareness), the only things that have been shown negating CTs are RCT output, ISoH, Black Rope and Angel's CT and Mahito has some of the highest CE reserves in the verse having used IT 1000 times on the people in the train and still having enough in the tank to do literally everything else he did in Shibuya. Genuinely this abilitiy is so absurd that I think it puts Mahito in top 10 convos just by itself.
    • There is the possible wincon of beating Mahito in a domain fight and attacking him while he is on cooldown but considering how durable he is and how quickly he can recover from cooldown most people wouldn't be able to take him out in this window.
  • Self-Embodiment of Perfection is a pretty straight forward domain with IT as the sure hit, the main thing to note about it is it's activation speed. Mahito is able to fuse the two step process of forming the barrier and activating the CT into one, this means that if he calshes with another domain, most of the time, Mahito will be able to strike his opponent with IT before they activate their own sure hit. The activation speed is so fast Todo wasn't able to open his SD in time to defend himself and it's even used as a benchmark for Hakari's non-lethal domain.
Matchups

I think I've established pretty well that Mahito has the raw stats to keep up with the high-top tiers and the hax to pose a threat to basically everyone in the verse, so I'm gonna go over some winning match ups of his to solidify that he is absolutely in the top 15 and should be at the very least considered for top 10
  • Kashimo (Base or MBA): Can't damage Mahito and gets killed by DE
  • Uraume: Same deal as Kashimo. She does have the possible wincon of keeping Mahito contained in ice and winning by sealing but unless she is perpetually maintains the ice Mahito is gonna break out and if she did do that she'd probably run out of CE before he does
  • Hakari: This one is closer to a 50/50 because Hakari is one of the few people that might be able to stall Mahito long enough to compltely drain his CE pool but he needs to be able to land every Jackpot and also not get taken out while fighting in the domain. There's also the whole thing about if Jackpot can heal soul damage or not since it's subconciouss, I don't think it can personally but even without that it would take a lot of hits for Mahito to transfigure Hakari due to his CE pool.
  • Other top 15 people I think he beats for similair reasons: Jogo, Ryu, Uro, Curseya and probably Miguel too
TLDR: Respect Mahito, the True Human
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I don't agree with some stuff (particularly SI Yuji being at all relevant in stats to top tiers), but I can understand the arguments
 
Arkenis said:
Definitely an issue for some, but a big counter is what Todo did, and given so many have rct in the t10, its gonna be countered and then they de or sd to null it if he keeps it up.
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Idk how helpful RCT would be here since Todo's arm blows up after he cuts it off so that part of their soul might just straight up not exist anymore
Arkenis said:
And a counter to this is that soul attacks can't be rct'ed without knowing the contours of the soul, well most of the t10 should have that like Kenjaku, Kashimo, Uraume, Yuji, Yuta, Gojo, Yorozu, Yuki, so they'd be fine.
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Yorozu, Kashimo, Uraume and Yuta don't have soul awareness
Arkenis said:
And on the time activation, Yuta and Higuruma noticed the slight difference in activation speed within less than a 0.01s difference, not far fetched to say this is above Mahito's own activation speed,
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It is faster but that doesn't mean that they would be able to activate their own domains that fast
Arkenis said:
but the fact Todo reacted quick enough his entire body wasn't soul haxxed, and others with de or sd of their own are faster than Todo would let them counter better.
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Fair on this
Arkenis said:
Together they'd be hard, individually they wouldn't.
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"If they were one-on-one fights. But I think he'd have a really hard time with Jogo and Mahito"
 
Giannysmag said:
Idk how helpful RCT would be here since Todo's arm blows up after he cuts it off so that part of their soul might just straight up not exist anymore
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Not how Idle works.

Giannysmag said:
Yorozu, Kashimo, Uraume don't have soul awareness
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Yuta should have it, but that's okay if you don't think he could.

Giannysmag said:
It is faster but that doesn't mean that they would be able to activate their own domains that fast
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They'd have the faster reactions, and Yuta learned from Gojo so yeah he'd definitely have. Higuruma at best can just DA.

Giannysmag said:
"If they were one-on-one fights. But I think he'd have a really hard time with Jogo and Mahito"
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Yeah we're reading the same thing, Gege's saying individually him gaining control, aka beating them in a fight would be no problem, but together it'll be hard. Not sure where the confusion is.
 
Arkenis said:
Not how Idle works.
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Wdym?
Arkenis said:
Yuta should have it, but that's okay if you don't think he could.
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Because of being inside Gojo? Also this is just wrong, Choso is an incarnated sorcerer like the others and he can't sense the outline of the soul
Arkenis said:
They'd have the faster reactions, and Yuta learned from Gojo so yeah he'd definitely have. Higuruma at best can just DA.
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Again I don't think reaction speed would translate to activation speed. Funnily enough I do actually agree Higi could beat Mahito tho just cause of how good of a much up he has on him
Arkenis said:
Yeah we're reading the same thing, Gege's saying individually him gaining control, aka beating them in a fight would be no problem, but together it'll be hard. Not sure where the confusion is.
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We seem to be interpreting this differently. To me it reads that Kenny would be able to capture any of the DCs if he fought them 1v1 but in those 1v1s he would struggle against Jogo and Mahito
 
Giannysmag said:
Wdym?
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The part of the soul doesn't stop existing just because he blew it up. Think of his analogy, the soul is the shaper or the body is the mold, Todo's soul hand just got mangled is all.

Giannysmag said:
Because of being inside Gojo? Also this is just wrong, Choso is an incrnated sorcerer like the others and he can't sense the outline of the soul
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No, more to do with Rika. Why can't Choso do that? Am I forgetting something?

Giannysmag said:
Again I don't think reaction speed would translate to activation speed. Funnily enough I do actually agree Higi could beat Mahito tho just cause of how good of a much up he has on him
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying reaction speed being faster than Mahito's activation speed, and lets be honest his reaction speed as well, would give them the advantage in their own activation speed.

Giannysmag said:
We seem to be interpreting this differently. To me it reads that Kenny would be able to capture any of the DCs if he fought them 1v1 but in those 1v1s he would struggle against Jogo and Mahito
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That doesn't read like what we know in the story though. Kenjaku's capable of fighting people stronger than them and has several SGC that would probably kill any one of the DC together. So why would he struggle against Jogo who he's considerably faster and stronger than?
 
Arkenis said:
The part of the soul doesn't stop existing just because he blew it up. Think of his analogy, the soul is the shaper or the body is the mold, Todo's soul hand just got mangled is all.
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Ngl I don't get the anology. Maybe it wouldn't sieze to exist but it would be like scattered in pieces which still wouldn't be healable for anyone without soul awareness
Arkenis said:
No, more to do with Rika. Why can't Choso do that? Am I forgetting something?
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Arkenis said:
I'm not saying that. I'm saying reaction speed being faster than Mahito's activation speed, and lets be honest his reaction speed as well, would give them the advantage in their own activation speed.
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Like they'd be able to open their domain before him? I agree with that
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That doesn't read like what we know in the story though. Kenjaku's capable of fighting people stronger than them and has several SGC that would probably kill any one of the DC together. So why would he struggle against Jogo who he's considerably faster and stronger than?
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Maybe cause Jogo just is fast and strong enough to pose a threat to Kenny. Besides the DCs are on a different level compared to normal Special Grade curses, Jogo is supposed to be stronger than 3F Sukuna and just the CE leaking out of Sukuna's finger can creat SG curses. Legit I think all of the DCs beat Kuroushusi mid diff.
 
Culling Games Yuji had his physiology augmented by Kenjaku and is remarked by Choso to have control of Cursed Energy that's on an entirely different level compared to when they fought, so his feats against Yuta and Hakari don't scale to Mahito. The Piercing Blood Choso used against Uraume was condensed to the utmost extent above any other he'd ever used, and it still only scratched her hand whereas a weaker Piercing Blood straight up drilled a hole in Yuji's arm. Shibuya Yuji also only had physical strength roughly on Overtime Nanami's level so if he scales to heavy hitter level physicals, practically everyone in the verse who isn't total fodder would scale to at least some extent.

Unfortunately basically every single disaster curse is a massive power creep victim on account of them all being killed off in the last arc where simply being a Grade 1 Sorcerer was a big deal by itself. Jogo is almost an exception but then he has glass bones and paper skin in comparison to like every single top tier.
 
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I decided to do a tier list for the verse and realized that the Smallpox deity seems to have the weakest domain expansion of all. As its sure-hit has way too many steps to be lethal and even without an anti-domain techinque you could probably kill it if you just muscle through enough
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yuta case is different than others he was only had Gojo's body for 5 minutes also you can't just say that much time is enough to visualise the soul
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You could argue he has an intuitive understanding through his ability to curse Rika's soul as he did.
 
Duedate8898 said:
I decided to do a tier list for the verse and realized that the Smallpox deity seems to have the weakest domain expansion of all. As its sure-hit has way too many steps to be lethal and even without an anti-domain techinque you could probably kill it if you just muscle through enough
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What are the current rankings?
 
Giannysmag said:
Alright I just finished a Paleontology assignment and have a lot of free time, so imma prove to yall that Mahito absolutely deserves to be in the top 10 discussions

Stats

Some notes:
  • Yuta was holding back against Yuji: This is as far as I can tell completely unsupported by the fight. Yuta's mission was to kill Yuji to complete his BV with the higher ups and revive him with RCT, there is no reason for him to hold back in anyway here. Yuta is also surprised several times by Yuji's speed and even admits that this was never going to be an easy fight. Infact the person that's stated outright to have been holding back during the fight wasn't Yuta, it was Yuji and that's on top of him not having fully recovered physically from Shibuya.
    • A common counter argument to CG Yuji = CG Yuta in stats (one that I've actually used in the past) is that a stronger Yuji that fought Meguna was still weaker than Maki. The answer is simply that Maki is stronger than CG Yuta in stats, I mean the main deal of HR is giving you high stats in exchange for no CE.
  • While Yuji was weakened physically, spiritually and mentally while fighting Mahito, by the time he entered ISBODK they where both at their limit so it evens out.
  • Gege states that Kenjaku would have a really hard time capturing Mahito and Jogo, cementing further that Mahito is a threat to even the top tiers. Also since capturing high level curses requires that you suffeciently weaken them first, Gege is very much talking about Kenny struggling against Mahito and Jogo in a fight.
Idle Transfiguration/ Self-Embodiment of Perfection

  • Mahito can alter other peoples souls by touching them. While Nanami and other sorcerers can subconciously defend against IT, with Mahito needing 3 or 4 hits to fully alter the former this was also the absolute weakest form of Mahito. Later just 0.2 seconds of exposure to IT where enough to transfigure Todo's arm and would have likely killed him had he not cut it off.
  • Mahito can use Idle Transfiguration to maintain the shape of his soul meaning that only attacks to his soul can actually damage him. No matter how strong the attack, even if his entire body is destroyed, as long as his soul is fine he won't be hurt. The only ways of getting around this are being aware of the soul and thus able to damage it, negating his Cursed Technique entirely or draining Mahito of CE so that he won't be able to use his CT. All of these are very limited wincons, there's like 6 people in the whole verse that can damage the soul directly (and no incarnated sorcerers do not count, Yuji and Sukuna are a special case when it comes to their soul awareness), the only things that have been shown negating CTs are RCT output, ISoH, Black Rope and Angel's CT and Mahito has some of the highest CE reserves in the verse having used IT 1000 times on the people in the train and still having enough in the tank to do literally everything else he did in Shibuya. Genuinely this abilitiy is so absurd that I think it puts Mahito in top 10 convos just by itself.
    • There is the possible wincon of beating Mahito in a domain fight and attacking him while he is on cooldown but considering how durable he is and how quickly he can recover from cooldown most people wouldn't be able to take him out in this window.
  • Self-Embodiment of Perfection is a pretty straight forward domain with IT as the sure hit, the main thing to note about it is it's activation speed. Mahito is able to fuse the two step process of forming the barrier and activating the CT into one, this means that if he calshes with another domain, most of the time, Mahito will be able to strike his opponent with IT before they activate their own sure hit. The activation speed is so fast Todo wasn't able to open his SD in time to defend himself and it's even used as a benchmark for Hakari's non-lethal domain.
Matchups

I think I've established pretty well that Mahito has the raw stats to keep up with the high-top tiers and the hax to pose a threat to basically everyone in the verse, so I'm gonna go over some winning match ups of his to solidify that he is absolutely in the top 15 and should be at the very least considered for top 10
  • Kashimo (Base or MBA): Can't damage Mahito and gets killed by DE
  • Uraume: Same deal as Kashimo. She does have the possible wincon of keeping Mahito contained in ice and winning by sealing but unless she is perpetually maintains the ice Mahito is gonna break out and if she did do that she'd probably run out of CE before he does
  • Hakari: This one is closer to a 50/50 because Hakari is one of the few people that might be able to stall Mahito long enough to compltely drain his CE pool but he needs to be able to land every Jackpot and also not get taken out while fighting in the domain. There's also the whole thing about if Jackpot can heal soul damage or not since it's subconciouss, I don't think it can personally but even without that it would take a lot of hits for Mahito to transfigure Hakari due to his CE pool.
  • Other top 15 people I think he beats for similair reasons: Jogo, Ryu, Uro, Curseya and probably Miguel too
TLDR: Respect Mahito, the True Human
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Mahito can be cooked by exhausting his CE you don't need to destroy his soul to be fair.
 
Duedate8898 said:
You could argue he has an intuitive understanding through his ability to curse Rika's soul as he did.
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Sukuna even though he can copy the technique Kenjaku used to split his soul he only able to visualise his soul thanks to being inside Yuji.

So I don't think just cursing someone's soul is enough for that
 
Giannysmag said:
Like they'd be able to open their domain before him? I agree with that
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Yeah and so his domain becomes useless for majority of the t10 barring maybe Kashimo.

Giannysmag said:
Ngl I don't get the anology. Maybe it wouldn't sieze to exist but it would be like scattered in pieces which still wouldn't be healable for anyone without soul awareness
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I don't see why not when we're told people can heal their souls with rct if they have it. And you're assuming pieces scattered.

Edit: Here's what it looked like, still basically intact
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BahamutQ0 said:
What are the current rankings?
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Figuring it out still, Geto is getting a lot higher than I first thought since even without a domain he kinda messes up most of the verse but current list has my top ten as:

Takaba, Sukuna (Overall, not breaking him up), Gojo, Kenjaku, Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, Maki/Toji, Kashimo.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna even though he can copy the technique Kenjaku used to split his soul he only able to visualise his soul thanks to being inside Yuji.

So I don't think just cursing someone's soul is enough for that
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Not sure how solid this line of reasoning is, mainly because we know characters who are not just knowledable of the soul but who mess with souls without having something inhabit their body. Yuki and Yaga for one
 
Yasuda_144 said:
Culling Games Yuji had his physiology augmented by Kenjaku and is remarked by Choso to have control of Cursed Energy that's on an entirely different level compared to when they fought, so his feats against Yuta and Hakari don't scale to Mahito.
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Ngl I know I'm the one who updated Yuji's profile to have that (even tho it was M3X that put it in the sandbox but whatev) but I don't think Kenny empowering people for the Culling Games applies to Yuji. Kenny says he gave people like Yuji strength as vessels, which would be pointless to do on Yuji since he is already a perfect cage for Sukuna, I think Kenny is refering exclusively to the normal humans he had injest cursed objects. As for the CE manip, that's something he improved during the Mahito fight. In effect Yuji during the Mahito fight is the same as the Yuji that fought Hakari and Yuta.
Yasuda_144 said:
The Piercing Blood Choso used against Uraume was condensed to the utmost extent above any other he'd ever used, and it still only scratched her hand whereas a weaker Piercing Blood straight up drilled a hole in Yuji's arm.
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I know Uraume takes a lot less damage, but considering she can take punches from JP Hakari without getting scratched it's still very impressive
Yasuda_144 said:
Shibuya Yuji also only had physical strength roughly on Overtime Nanami's level so if he scales to heavy hitter level physicals, practically everyone in the verse who isn't total fodder would scale to at least some extent.
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That's at the very start of Shibuya and he grows a lot stronger thoughout it, also Nanami is stated to have more raw power than Kusakabe so he is no slouch
Yasuda_144 said:
Unfortunately basically every single disaster curse is a massive power creep victim on account of them all being killed off in the last arc where simply being a Grade 1 Sorcerer was a big deal by itself. Jogo is almost an exception but then he has glass bones and paper skin in comparison to like every single top tier.
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Maybe I need to do posts about all the DCs cause yall can't keep underrating my boys like this. I promise they'd do really well in the Culling Games guys trust me
EldemadeDityjon said:
Mahito can be cooked by exhausting his CE you don't need to destroy his soul to be fair.
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I mentioned that in the post
Arkenis said:
Yeah and so his domain becomes useless for majority of the t10 barring maybe Kashimo.
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Depends on who you have in your top 10 and at what placements. The people that I think could beat Mahito in a domain fight also have other wincons against him anyway
Arkenis said:
I don't see why not when we're told people can heal their souls with rct if they have it.
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People can heal their souls with RCT if they are aware of their souls
Arkenis said:
And you're assuming pieces scattered.

Edit: Here's what it looked like, still basically intact
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Huh never noticed that, I remembered how in the anime it just exploded in a pool of blood
 
Giannysmag said:
I think I've established pretty well that Mahito has the raw stats to keep up with the high-top tiers and the hax to pose a threat to basically everyone in the verse, so I'm gonna go over some winning match ups of his to solidify that he is absolutely in the top 15 and should be at the very least considered for top 10
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YOU ARE SPITTING FACTS MY BROTHER
 
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