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Rimuru tempest (LN) VS Mori dan

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Does it also resist the power nullification that comes with it?
Surprisingly, I don't see resistance to PNull in Mori's page, so maybe. Though Pnull exists in the verse, so there's a chance he resists it.
(Due to us still being very much a work in progress, worse we havne't had time to fully get it straight.)
But it should be at least 3 layers, since it can affect even ultimate skill users. (That have accepted 3 layers of defence against it)
The problem is that they are not accepted. I guess that's why we shouldn't make matches for outdated profiles, but here we are.
Due to reforms, NDd only grants resistance in the abilities they have duality over. Meaning, for example, and duality in fire and non-fire, would only have a resistance against fire attacks, and duality for existence and non-existence would only cover attacks like EE and void manipulation.

Do you see where I am going?
...Which for Mori would include pretty much everything in his verse? He encompasses Yin-Yang and all that nonsense, so like, what I said before still stands.
50 at least.
Damn. Alr he has the range.
 
Surprisingly, I don't see resistance to PNull in Mori's page, so maybe. Though Pnull exists in the verse, so there's a chance he resists it.
The classic, I feel you man...
The problem is that they are not accepted. I guess that's why we shouldn't make matches for outdated profiles, but here we are.
Yep..
...Which for Mori would include pretty much everything in his verse? He encompasses Yin-Yang and all that nonsense, so like, what I said before still stands.
Sadly, it doesn't work like that, as I said.
To summarize again, it only grants resistance towards specifically the duality, and not the abilities under it. The new standard made ND a lot weaker
 
I've heard many, many conflicting things about ND. Someone really gotta make a thread to clarify it.

Can you send me the thread about the ND?
 
The main stuff should be mentioned here

There is a reason why this ability is the most confusing on the wiki...
Jesus, so the verse itself has to specify that the nondual shit grants immunities, or at least implies it. Though if an ability is inherently just part of the duality (ie instead of just being tied, they are directly related to the duality) then It's fair game and can assume immunity. The problem is that, how the hell would you show that?

Shitty power, ngl. At least my goat Wang Wei is safe, I think.

Anyways, now idk who to vote. I'll wait for other knowledgeable members before deciding to vote.
 
Anyways, now idk who to vote. I'll wait for other knowledgeable members before deciding to vote.
I have yet to even have time to debate for Rimuru's wincon...

Jesus, so the verse itself has to specify that the nondual shit grants immunities, or at least implies it. Though if an ability is inherently just part of the duality (ie instead of just being tied, they are directly related to the duality) then It's fair game and can assume immunity. The problem is that, how the hell would you show that?

Shitty power,
yep
At least my goat Wang Wei is safe, I think.
No idea.
 
To summarize again, it only grants resistance towards specifically the duality, and not the abilities under it. The new standard made ND a lot weaker
Bruh if it was type 1 that only include specific duality then maybe yes, but mori have ND type 2 that literally outside duality in general or all duality. You cannot affect such a being without have same or higher logical state, this being literally outside the duality of affect and not-affected
General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.

Soo the enemy's ability must be proved that it can affect such a being or possess same level of nonduality
 
Bruh if it was type 1 that only include specific duality then maybe yes, but mori have ND type 2 that literally outside duality in general or all duality. You cannot affect such a being without have same or higher logical state, this being literally outside the duality of affect and not-affected


Soo the enemy's ability must be proved that it can affect such a being or possess same level of nonduality
Let's pretend that Rimuru's attacks actually are under dualities mentioned on his profile ('cause I'm pretty sure some are not). What does he have against BFR, sealing and Fate manip?
 
Let's pretend that Rimuru's attacks actually are under dualities mentioned on his profile ('cause I'm pretty sure some are not). What does he have against BFR, sealing and Fate manip?
What does BFR and fate manip can if it doesnt give any effect to being that literally beyond affected and not-affected?
 
Bruh if it was type 1 that only include specific duality then maybe yes, but mori have ND type 2 that literally outside duality in general or all duality. You cannot affect such a being without have same or higher logical state, this being literally outside the duality of affect and not-affected


Soo the enemy's ability must be proved that it can affect such a being or possess same level of nonduality
nonduality useless ability
 
Let's pretend that Rimuru's attacks actually are under dualities mentioned on his profile ('cause I'm pretty sure some are not). What does he have against BFR, sealing and Fate manip?
Type 2 covers all general dualities, not just specific ones.
nonduality useless ability
We talked about this in 3 different threads now and I'm saying for the 3rd time that Mori's nonduality is specifically linked to him being impossible to reach for anyone not in the same state of existence. So no it's not useless it's only useless if there's no implication that it grants immunity. How many more times do we have to have this conversation 😭?
 
Anyway I don't think it matters. If Mori is immune to everything Rimuru throws at him it's either an incon or a stomp (probably incon but I'm not reading Rimurus 500 resistances to see if there's some niche bs that Mori has which Rimuru doesn't resist) and if not then Rimuru most likely stomps with his goofy layered law and concept shenanigans. There is a reason why Rimuru was above Mori in the top 15 non smurfs before his tier 1 upgrade and the best his current profile can try to change about it is a cheap incon.

Point is that either way you take this, it's a mismatch. We would just be arguing about whether it's a mismatch in favor of Mori or in favor of Rimuru.
 
nonduality useless ability
Bro this thread doesnt make a ability can affect a nondual state by default. Because nondual also outside the duality of affected and not affected. Soo how can a ability affected the being that outside the "affected" it self
 
Type 2 covers all general dualities, not just specific ones.

We talked about this in 3 different threads now and I'm saying for the 3rd time that Mori's nonduality is specifically linked to him being impossible to reach for anyone not in the same state of existence. So no it's not useless it's only useless if there's no implication that it grants immunity. How many more times do we have to have this conversation 😭?
bro what
so????
it doesn't change the fact that someone can just use a hax that the person with nonduality has not been shown to be immune to and just win
 
Jeez, nonduality type 2 really smacks rimuru that hard huh, I had a similar thread (Rimuru from Granblue) and he's also incapable of doing anything to Ishmael's nonduality type 2 lol

I'm leaning towards incon, what are both of their wincons?
 
Because nondual also outside the duality of affected and not affected.
Don'tTalkDT said:
Heck, being immune to something is a dual matter, as it means that upon being attacked you are in the dual state of "not affected by the attack". This is basically postulating that all nondual characters have to be dual in a certain aspect.
Did you actually read the thread?
 
bro what
so????
it doesn't change the fact that someone can just use a hax that the person with nonduality has not been shown to be immune to and just win
It changes the fact that it's not useless. You constantly spamming the same "nonduality is useless" comment just so we have to have the same "it's not actually useless" discussion is genuinely getting annoying.

Like no offense or anything but this is the 3rd time in the past like 7 days we are going over the exact same thing
 
It changes the fact that it's not useless. You constantly spamming the same "nonduality is useless" comment just so we have to have the same "it's not actually useless" discussion is genuinely getting annoying.

Like no offense or anything but this is the 3rd time in the past like 7 days we are going over the exact same thing
it is useless tho
not for mori but for characters who hasn't been shown to be immune
actually where is the statement that shows that because of his nd type 2, he's able to be immune to hax
 
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it is useless tho
not for mori but for characters who hasn't been shown to be immune
That's okay, any hax can be useless depending on context. But then why are we having this conversation when talking about Mori again?

Like I can understand if there was something new that you found about the topic or it was relevant but this just seems pointless and repetitive
 
Why? Pretty sure any hax that has a beginning and/or end is still bound by that duality for example
Does it? There we have causality and fate combined and they can alter the beginning and the end. Beginning/end duality is kind of complicated, can you link something explaining it?
 
Isn't Nonduality Type 2 limited to what extent that the scope has been shown inverse instead of the opposite? Like, if the fiction is like that then it should be fine, else. It just sounds like NLF.
 
I mean, assuming his hax aren't active nonstop throughout all of time and space then I'd assume they must be bound by beginning and/or end since it has to start and/or end.
There we have causality and fate combined and they can alter the beginning and the end. Beginning/end duality is kind of complicated, can you link something explaining it?
Yeah it's definitely complicated (it's one of the reasons I hate talking about Mori's last key lmao).

Idk if there's any specific link that's explains it, I'm honestly going off of what's written in the ND page and in the manhwa
 
Istg I'll rat some debunk to Mori's ND just so I don't have to deal with it anymore

Anyway like I said, I'm pretty sure this is a mismatch regardless
 
I mean, assuming his hax aren't active nonstop throughout all of time and space then I'd assume they must be bound by beginning and/or end since it has to start and/or end.
Well, then Law and CM1 shouldn't fall under that, due to them being tensura's constants
 
Also a question: can't Rimuru BFR Mori to EOTAS? This thing, due to its nature should bypass most, if not all, Mori's dualities
 
Bro it literally mean nondual beyond affected and not affected. Are you wanna say now it can still affected by
Being outside the daulity of "affected" and "not affected" does not mean that "it will not be affected", because the "not affected" state is still a dual state. This is exactly why Don'tTalkDT thinks that being "not affected" shouldn't be an assumption and that the verse should indicate immunity. If you have a problem with that, make a CRT.
 
Being outside the daulity of "affected" and "not affected" does not mean that "it will not be affected", because the "not affected" state is still a dual state. This is exactly why Don'tTalkDT thinks that being "not affected" shouldn't be an assumption and that the verse should indicate immunity. If you have a problem with that, make a CRT.
Bro so you wanna say it can be affected because it beyond "not-affected"? I say the ability must have proof if it can interact with nondual state, because it was a vague state of existence, a ability by default cannot affect that state
 
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So Rimuru should win this match, right? The only issue he had was Jin Mori’s ND2, but after reading DT’s thread, it’s clear that Jin’s ND2 doesn’t actually protect him from Rimuru, Rimuru should win, since his hax layers are above Mori Dan’s
 
One thing that could give Mori a chance to win and prevent this match from being a complete stomp is removing "Speed is Equal", so he at least has a chance to react when he's about to get hit by a brainrot passive with 800,000,000,000,000,000 layers that one-shots him 🥀
 
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