Rimuru tempest (LN) VS Mori dan

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Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel)

Rimuru Tempest (リムル＝テンペスト, Rimuru Tenpesuto?), formerly known as Satoru Mikami (三上みかみ悟さとる, Mikami Satoru?), is the main protagonist of Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. He is an Otherworlder reincarnated as a slime, and the sworn friend of the Storm Dragon Veldora Tempest. He is the founder and...

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Mori Dan

17 years after Mujin Park's betrayal, Mori Jin became a name of infamy and terror. Forced into hiding, Mori Jin became Mori Dan to protect both him and his adopted sister, Ahan Dan. After revealing his identity to the world, he - with assistance from allies - would go on to wage war against...

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Speed is Equal

Blood rush

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[M2u12]

 

[M2u12]

How many layers of Resistance to Fear Manipulation does Rimuru have? From what I can see in his profile, he only has base line Resistance, while Mori has 4 accept layers of Fear Manipulation.

And if Rimuru only has base line Resistance, how strong is his Willpower?

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

How many layers of Resistance to Fear Manipulation does Rimuru have? From what I can see in his profile, he only has base line Resistance, while Mori has 4 accept layers of Fear Manipulation.

And if Rimuru only has base line Resistance, how strong is his Willpower?

He’s baseline resistance to fear but he has pasive law and cm1 5 layers

 

[AlexSamDen]

How many layers of Resistance to Fear Manipulation does Rimuru have? From what I can see in his profile, he only has base line Resistance, while Mori has 4 accept layers of Fear Manipulation.

And if Rimuru only has base line Resistance, how strong is his Willpower?

Does his fear manip affect robots? About Willpower: pretty much the whole verse has Supernatural Willpower

 

[Robo432343]

rimuru has more layers

 

[M2u12]

He’s baseline resistance to fear but he has pasive law and cm1 5 layers

i can only see 4 layers of Cm1 and i don't see law/Cm1 list as Passive on his profile too.

 

[AlexSamDen]

i can only see 4 layers of Cm1 and i don't see law/Cm1 list as Passive on his profile too.

Check the verse's layered hax blog

 

[M2u12]

Does his fear manip affect robots?

As far as I know, no.

About Willpower: pretty much the whole verse has Supernatural Willpower

Yeah, I saw it in his profile, I asked this because Supernatural Willpower can Resist Fear Manip and Fear Manip in goh is so strong that it can make people who already have Resist to Fear Manip lose consciousness, Which would be much worse if it was Mori who had 4 layers of Fear Manip. So it required Extreme willpower to withstand it.

I don't know if Rimuru has that much willpower to withstand mori Fear Manip.

 

[M2u12]

Check the verse's layered hax blog

you mean this, right?

Layered Hax for Tensura

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Yeah i see it now but I still don't see it listed as Passive, can you mark where it is listed?

 

[AlexSamDen]

As far as I know, no.

Yeah, I saw it in his profile, I asked this because Supernatural Willpower can Resist Fear Manip and Fear Manip in goh is so strong that it can make people who already have Resist to Fear Manip lose consciousness, Which would be much worse if it was Mori who had 4 layers of Fear Manip. So it required Extreme willpower to withstand it.

I don't know if Rimuru has that much willpower to withstand mori Fear Manip.

About robots: then, if fear manip would work on Rimuru, Ciel would just take over, and there you have it

About Supernatural willpower: if that thing had layers, Rimuru would actually have 2, as there are characters who have it, without a Unique Skill, then we have Unique skill users superior to them in willpower, and then we have Ultimate Skill users superior to even them, but that's just speculations

Fear resistances should actually be layered, but I guess no one bothered to. Maybe that's because Nihility Collapse abilities were deleted and now are undefined, as I'm pretty sure it had some layers of fear manip with it.

An actual important question: would resistance to empathic manip count as a resistance to fear, as empathic includes fear

Also does it actually work on AE and Incorporeality?

 

[AlexSamDen]

you mean this, right?

Layered Hax for Tensura

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Yeah i see it now but I still don't see it listed as Passive, can you mark where it is listed?

Well I was answering to layers, it's not passive, but more like instantly activating. Also I don't see resintances to corruption and madness on his profile, which are passive

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah i see it now but I still don't see it listed as Passive, can you mark where it is listed?

It's listed as passive under the Spiritual Life Form Page, and in this case, it would be Digital Lifeform One.

Also, the layers for the skills and magic are not in what they "affected", but rather their nature and authority.

Yeah, I saw it in his profile, I asked this because Supernatural Willpower can Resist Fear Manip and Fear Manip in goh is so strong that it can make people who already have Resist to Fear Manip lose consciousness, Which would be much worse if it was Mori who had 4 layers of Fear Manip. So it required Extreme willpower to withstand it.

I don't know if Rimuru has that much willpower to withstand mori Fear Manip.

Tensura Willpower in everything, to affect beings with any kind of mind hax, they must first have a higher authority than the user, and in this case, ultimate skill.
So yeah, I don't think not having enough "will power" is an issue, since they have more than enough, and also extra layers of defences.

Not to mention how the soul and mind work in tensura.





(Have a broken keyboard so it's a pain to write.)

 

[M2u12]

About robots: then, if fear manip would work on Rimuru, Ciel would just take over, and there you have it

Could you elaborate? The reason why fear manip doesn't work on Rimuru could simply be because he has a higher resistance than the other character fear manip.

About Supernatural willpower: if that thing had layers, Rimuru would actually have 2, as there are characters who have it, without a Unique Skill, then we have Unique skill users superior to them in willpower, and then we have Ultimate Skill users superior to even them, but that's just speculations

If that's true, his supernatural willpower should help him withstand Mori Fear Manip ig.

Fear resistances should actually be layered, but I guess no one bothered to. Maybe that's because Nihility Collapse abilities were deleted and now are undefined, as I'm pretty sure it had some layers of fear manip with it.

If it's not more than 4 layers, it's probably useless.

An actual important question: would resistance to empathic manip count as a resistance to fear, as empathic includes fear

i mean, if someone has resist to empathic manip and gets resist to fear too do to that, we've probably seen character profiles that have resist to fear from resist to empathic manip in every verse.

Also does it actually work on AE and Incorporeality?

Hmm, IDK about that, but Mori Fear Manip probably isn’t a wincon for him anymore, so it’s something we shouldn’t focus on anymore.

 

[M2u12]

So is Law and CM1 5 Layers actually passive or not? One person says it’s more like activates instantly, while another says it’s passive, and it’s also listed in the profile too.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So is Law and CM1 5 Layers actually passive or not? One person says it’s more like activates instantly, while another says it’s passive, and it’s also listed in the profile too.

It's not passive or active, just the nature of all their abilities and authority.

The passive stuff is in the physiology page.

 

[M2u12]

It's not passive or active, just the nature of all their abilities and authority.

The passive stuff is in the physiology page.

Well if it is not passive or active, then Mori can dodge it, how much range does it have?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well if it is not passive or active, then Mori can dodge it, how much range does it have?

As mentioned, it is not an "attack", but rather what all of his abilities are at it's core, meaning, all of his attacks are with these abilities.

So when talking about the "range," is comes down to what attack he uses.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

But yeah, Rimuru always starts with analysis and copying the abilities of his opponent.

 

[M2u12]

As mentioned, it is not an "attack", but rather what all of his abilities are at it's core, meaning, all of his attacks are with these abilities.

So when talking about the "range," is comes down to what attack he uses.

So all Rimuru attacks have law+Cm1 layer 5? Damm that sucks for Mori , Well can Mori attack/stop him before he can attack?

Rimuru only seems to have Perception Speed Amp while Mori has 250,000× Amp which increases all his stats.

• Unconventional Statistics Amplification (Mori is capable of drawing out his body's full potential even without using jeabongchim acupuncture. The full potential of a person is 250,000x greater than the power they can normally use)

 

[DavidTPPM]

What evil sin have I committed to deserve a 3rd haxlord match up for Mori in a week

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Rimuru only seems to have Perception Speed Amp while Mori has 250,000× Amp which increases all his stats.

Rimuru is quite literally not a physical attacker, so other amps are relevant, but the Speed amp is 100 million times faster. Though the rest of the speed feats are quite weird atm, due to the current "downgrade"

Edit - How often does Mori start with it?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

What evil sin have I committed to deserve a 3rd haxlord match up for Mori in a week

Nothing, People have made over 5 matchups vs Rimuru in under a day...

 

[AlexSamDen]

Could you elaborate? The reason why fear manip doesn't work on Rimuru could simply be because he has a higher resistance than the other character fear manip.

If that's true, his supernatural willpower should help him withstand Mori Fear Manip ig.

If it's not more than 4 layers, it's probably useless.

i mean, if someone has resist to empathic manip and gets resist to fear too do to that, we've probably seen character profiles that have resist to fear from resist to empathic manip in every verse.

Hmm, IDK about that, but Mori Fear Manip probably isn’t a wincon for him anymore, so it’s something we shouldn’t focus on anymore.

Elaboration on Ciel: Basically, you said that it doesn't work on robots and if you wanna really simplify it, it's an A.I. residing in Rimuru's soul, and in case of an emergency, it can take over

About empaphic: actually, reasonings to empaphic and fear are separate. There is a character with empathic unique skill that affects characters with fear res, then we have a unique skill user resisting it, and then we have a resistance of ultimate. So with that we can bring fear res to 3 layers for all ultimate skill characters, and if Nihility Collapse will be returned with it's fear manip, we can get a fourth for Rimuru

 

[M2u12]

But yeah, Rimuru always starts with analysis and copying the abilities of his opponent.

Mori here is Blood rush too right? He has fought someone like that before, so as soon as he sees Rimuru trying to copy his ability, he will do everything to prevent Rimuru from doing so.

Also, Rimuru not have resistant to Power Mimicry 1 layer, so if Rimuru copies him, Mori can copy him back too.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Mori here is Blood rush too right? He has fought someone like that before, so as soon as he sees Rimuru trying to copy his ability, he will do everything to prevent Rimuru from doing so.

How would he detect that Ciel power mimics him?

Also, Rimuru not have resistant to Power Mimicry 1 layer, so if Rimuru copies him, Mori can copy him back too.

Wrong, they have an unconventional resistance toward it, the same as Power Null.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Mori here is Blood rush too right? He has fought someone like that before, so as soon as he sees Rimuru trying to copy his ability, he will do everything to prevent Rimuru from doing so.

Also, Rimuru not have resistant to Power Mimicry 1 layer, so if Rimuru copies him, Mori can copy him back too.

Check his first key resistances in absorption part

 

[M2u12]

the Speed amp is 100 million times faster.

It only increases his Perception Speed, His attack/combat Speed doesn't increase too So it doesn't matter whether he is a physical attacker or not because Rimuru still needs to use attack speed to attack Mori.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It only increases his Perception Speed, His attack/combat Speed doesn't increase too So it doesn't matter whether he is a physical attacker or not because Rimuru still needs to use attack speed to attack Mori.

It does, though, his attack speed directly correlated with his perception speed (this is true for quite a few of his attacks). (His reaction and fighting speed also get "boosted" but as a by-product of his mind working faster.

Not to mention the passives.

 

[M2u12]

You know what, I’ll vote for Rimuru. I’m too lazy to analyze the complex abilities of both characters that I don't enjoy it at all, so let’s just end it here.

 

[AlexSamDen]

It only increases his Perception Speed, His attack/combat Speed doesn't increase too So it doesn't matter whether he is a physical attacker or not because Rimuru still needs to use attack speed to attack Mori.

I know that you already left the topic, but I found an argument and felt like saying it: Rimuru has Stat Amp, it's listed in the end of his abilities, as an ability from Benimaru's US

 

[AlexSamDen]

So, if Mori Dan's supporters don't bring anything new to the table, I vote Rimuru

 

[DavidTPPM]

So what exactly are the arguments for Rimuru? If it's some passive conceptual bs then the match up is just a stomp lol

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So what exactly are the arguments for Rimuru? If it's some passive conceptual bs then the match up is just a stomp lol

That's the neat part, we haven't even gotten to that point yet. It's more been a debate so far on what would work on Rimuru, and so far, nothing.

Btw, how does Mori deal with an irregular timestop?

 

[DavidTPPM]

That's the neat part, we haven't even gotten to that point yet. It's more been a debate so far on what would work on Rimuru, and so far, nothing.

Oh yeah can Mori even interact with Rimuru? I see some BDE stuff in the pages I think

Btw, how does Mori deal with an irregular timestop?

You mean this?

• Time Stop (Multiversal+; Suspended World stops time across all worlds)

He resists time manip so unless there's something unique about it he should be fine

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Oh yeah can Mori even interact with Rimuru? I see some BDE stuff in the pages I think

Not sure, I am not knowledgeable about Mori jin to say what he can interact with.

You mean this?

Yeah, but the entire thing is his timestop

Suspended World: An art for Suspended World users.

• Time Stop (Multiversal+; Suspended World stops time across all worlds)

• Physics Manipulation & Durability Negation (There is no concept of "Defense" in the Suspended World, as a result, any attack towards something will make them collapse completely in an instant, as all forces come to a halt without exception, including the force of Inertia, Intermolecular forces, Attraction and Repulsion force extending to all Laws of Physics, allowing only and only one Law to exist in the Suspended World, the Law of Cause and Effect)

• Power Nullification (Suspended World makes it impossible to use any magicule based skills including abilities like regeneration or resurrection, and this would also apply to Digital Lifeforms who are not affected by time and can move in the Suspended World. Suspended World could effectively defeat Diablo by preventing him from resurrecting, and should have stopped Shion's regeneration from working; Rimuru who could perceive the Suspended World admitted that he wouldn't be able to deal with Michael attack and would try to fight again "next time". In other words, he had no choice but to return to a later point only if the Suspended World has been released)

To summarize Time stop in tensura not only Frezzes time fully, Only people with "pure information bodies" can move, it also negate abilities and erases the concept of defence.

The ability even works on Ultimate skill users and true dragons.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Are the layers accepted for time stop? Otherwise Mori simply resists.

Additionally, can Rimuru interact with ND2, or even has the range for Mori?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Are the layers accepted for time stop? Otherwise Mori simply resists.

The thing is not that time stop is "layered", but it works very differently from a normal one. Basically making it unconvetial like most other abilities from this verse.

Additionally, can Rimuru interact with ND2, or even has the range for Mori?

ND is irrelevant since it only protects the user from abilities under its influence. And yes, he has more than enough range.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The thing is not that time stop is "layered", but it works very differently from a normal one. Basically making it unconvetial like most other abilities from this verse.

Ngl, I don't see what makes it that special to the point that Mori can't resist. Not to mention, Mori himself has Info2.

ND is irrelevant since it only protects the user from abilities under its influence. And yes, he has more than enough range.

???
Not sure what you mean, Mori's ND should give him resistance/immunity to pretty much everything in his verse, not sure why we're calling it useless here.
As for range, how many universes can Rimuru affect?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Ngl, I don't see what makes it that special to the point that Mori can't resist. Not to mention, Mori himself has Info2.

Does it also resist the power nullification that comes with it?

(Due to us still being very much a work in progress, worse we havne't had time to fully get it straight.)
But it should be at least 3 layers, since it can affect even ultimate skill users. (That have accepted 3 layers of defence against it)

Not sure what you mean, Mori's ND should give him resistance/immunity to pretty much everything in his verse, not sure why we're calling it useless here.

Due to reforms, NDd only grants resistance in the abilities they have duality over. Meaning, for example, and duality in fire and non-fire, would only have a resistance against fire attacks, and duality for existence and non-existence would only cover attacks like EE and void manipulation.

Do you see where I am going?

As for range, how many universes can Rimuru affect?

50 at least.