Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[LIGHTYW]

The "20 meters away"

Also manages to turn around and block the dismantle despite it being obscured by a car.


As offguard as being explicitly told an attack is coming with chants being done beforehand and Sukuna straight up pointing at you and still somehow getting his hand ripped in half by it.

I really dont care about random and casual diamantes that sukuna was using with low output
As i Said already.. thats why she gets blasted by dismantle when sukuna actually uses it serious and with a higher output

And it doesnt matter if kashimo was warned, how would kashimo know that this attack would literally just spawn on him ?
ALL kashimo knew was that an attack was coming, but he did got off guarded that the attack would literally spawn on him, and he still dodged it, despite not knowing about WCS, as this was first time sukuna uses it with hand signs and chants...
Just stop hating hin

 

[Arkenis]

And it doesnt matter if kashimo was warned, how would kashimo know that this attack would literally just spawn on him ?

The attack doesn't spawn on you..

 

[LIGHTYW]

He almost died to it lol

Almost died?, it only cut his hand? Thats not almost dying...
Just stop hating kashimo

 

[LIGHTYW]

The attack doesn't spawn on you..

My point is that kashimo didnt knew it would be a WCS ( the same attack that killed gojo ) despite getting warned, he couldnt knew it would be the same attack that finished the top 2, and still dodged it

 

[Arkenis]

Almost died?, it only cut his hand? Thats not almost dying...
Just stop hating kashimo

A couple inches to the right and he'd be dead.

My point is that kashimo didnt knew it would be a WCS ( the same attack that killed gojo ) despite getting warned, he couldnt knew it would be the same attack that finished the top 2, and still dodged it

Wow

 

[Duedate8898]

Why tf is Yuji being brought up lmao? We aren't talking about Sukuna, this is about Kenjaku being stopped by them. All their special abilities can do that. It's that simple, idk how this output thing got brought up when Maki literally has no output, so what its only output for Hakari and Yuta but for Maki its not?

Because Maki's main strength is that she's super strong and fast due to her complete lack of cursed energy. She's a heavy hitter in large part because she's one of the physically strongest people in the world. If her heavenly restriction was just giving her super senses, Maki wouldn't be a heavy hitter. I brought up Yuji because he was on the double spread with the other three for that promo piece is all, he's not important to the overall point anyway.

Heavy hitter in of itself a term about power, you don't call something a heavy hitter because it has a special ability you call it heavy hitter because it has heavy hits. Yuta even with how his efficency not being the best still has a large output as a sorcerer, Hakari only able to rely on litterally beating people with his fist needs a great output in order to be this threat. As i've said before if heavy hitter was truly 99% abilities, then Higuruma and Angel should've qualified. And Kenjaku was aware of both of them but didn't treat either as a potential important factor. Higuruma maybe because he didn't know his ability well, but Kenjaku definitely knew what Angel could do and that she was still alive.

There's no way heavy hitter is just about abilities when the abilities of most of the heavy hitters aren't really that dangerous on their own.

Cursed Speech doesn't do well if you're far weaker than your opponent as Toge showed both against Hanami and Sukuna. Extinguish means little if your output is too low as established with Hana. Hakari showed exactly why Future Sight without the power and speed to back it up isn't particularly good. Sky manipulation might be the exception but we haven't seen anyone with it who has poor output. Druv's ability has its uses but it isn't a definer either. And most importantly, Yuta can't really effecitvely combo these abilities without high output and reserves.

Hakari's immortality isn't what makes his Jackpot state dangerous, its his elevated output as just getting automatic RCT wouldn't do much if his opponent is also stronger and faster than him logistically speaking.

Yuta isn't interested in himself so no he isn't an authority on himself. And why is Yuta's statement more reliable than the feats we've seen for Hakari?

Yuta should be a far more qualified authority than Maki on this subject is my main point. While Yuta is of course humble, that doesn't make his statement unreliable. And I'm not saying the statement is more reliable than Hakari's feats, but that Hakari's feats don't detract from the statement. As he only fights other top tiers in the verse, there isn't any contradiction and he's put on a similar level as Yuta in terms of statements mean it should be an easy thing to believe that Hakari is relative to Yuta.

My point was that your example is Uraume's best showing and its with her max output, this doesn't make Uraume top tier now. The guy can regenerate lmao, so yeah he's not overwhelmed by it. But this supports my point that their special abilities are what made them heavy hitters not their high output.

Uruame showcases she's also capable of hurting Hakari physically as seen when she literally throws an icicle through him. And the issue with the ice isn't just a matter of regeneration as Uruame could just in-case him like she did everyone at Shibuya and she attempted to do in their fight. If Hakari didn't have his high output (especially as RCT relies on a high output to work properly) then he wouldn't be able to survive as long in their fight.

 

[Arkenis]

Uruame showcases she's also capable of hurting Hakari physically as seen when she literally throws an icicle through him.

That's not output.

 

[Duedate8898]

Unless Uruame has a heavily restriction, she's need enough output to augment her strength enough to throw the icicle through Hakari.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I really dont care about random and casual diamantes that sukuna was using with low output
As i Said already.. thats why she gets blasted by dismantle when sukuna actually uses it serious and with a higher output

And it doesnt matter if kashimo was warned, how would kashimo know that this attack would literally just spawn on him ?
ALL kashimo knew was that an attack was coming, but he did got off guarded that the attack would literally spawn on him, and he still dodged it, despite not knowing about WCS, as this was first time sukuna uses it with hand signs and chants...
Just stop hating hin

Yeah, everyone not named Gojo gets blasted by Sukuna when he gets serious and actually starts to apply himself. That was the whole point of why he lost. He literally could’ve won at any time but he ****** around and found out.

Dismantles have never spawned on anyone. Where the hell did you get that idea? Hell, it’s probably the most telegraphed WCS in the entire series. Not only did Sukuna say the chants, point, and make the hand sign, he straight up told Kashimo to “look out” and then the slash started cutting into the ground so he knew exactly where it was coming from and yet somehow he still got clipped by it. Also not sure why you’re using the WCS as an example of him being powerful when it would’ve straight up killed him if it actually hit a few inches closer to his torso.

Also I’m not hating on Kashimo. Hell I think he’s around top 7 or so and only held back by the fact that he doesn’t have RCT. I’m hating on your argument

 

[DarkRuler234]

Actually I think Sukuna started to get serious when Yuji started to use Dismantle on the barrier between the souls, but it was already too late and he wasn't capable of simply blitzing Yuji and one-shotting him like before (but he could still outpace him tho).

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Actually I think Sukuna started to get serious when Yuji started to use Dismantle on the barrier between the souls, but it was already too late and he wasn't capable of simply blitzing Yuji and one-shotting him like before (but he could still outpace him tho).

Realistically, yeah around that point it would’ve been harder for him to win cause he was getting weaker and his CT kept getting burned out and wasted (after the black flash chain and after Yujo) but if he actually just kept going he still would’ve won. The final nail in the coffin for his defeat was Nobara striking his finger. Had that not happened then he still would’ve won just through attrition.

 

[DarkRuler234]

Realistically, yeah around that point it would’ve been harder for him to win cause he was getting weaker and his CT kept getting burned out and wasted (after the black flash chain and after Yujo) but if he actually just kept going he still would’ve won. The final nail in the coffin for his defeat was Nobara striking his finger. Had that not happened then he still would’ve won just through attrition.

I'm still impressed he could still use his domain after refreshing his CT again during his fight in Yuji's Domain, like didn’t he reached his limit when he did that (like what happened with Gojo) or I simply didn’t count right the amount of times he did that.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I'm still impressed he could still use his domain after refreshing his CT again during his fight in Yuji's Domain, like didn’t he reached his limit when he did that (like what happened with Gojo) or I simply didn’t count right the amount of times he did that.

Gojo used it 5 times and on the 5th time he crippled his DE. Meanwhile from what I can tell, Sukuna only did it around 3-4 times cause on the second domain clash, MS never broke and Gojo had to restore his CT to do another clash and do basket ball domain for the first time. Sukuna may have restored it again after the Mahoraga bit but I’m not sure about that one since he would’ve had no reason to risk it but he may have so he could get it over with quickly which is why it’s potentially 4 times. Sukuna also had much more time for his brain to heal after UV as well as creating a new circuit to create domains in his brain which could be why he could do it again

 

[Da3ggman]

Is there a reason we don't use JJK: Phantom Parade? It's official media that doesn't contradict the story, and it's seemingly been worked on by Gege (Hell, he designed two new characters for it).

At the very least, we should treat it like secondary canon, then we can add some stuff that we never get to see in the series, like Hanami's Full Domain Expansion.

(Also has some cool feats like the main villain creating a big ass tree and a random Cursed Spirit sinking an island, so that would be cool).

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Is there a reason we don't use JJK: Phantom Parade? It's official media that doesn't contradict the story, and it's seemingly been worked on by Gege (Hell, he designed two new characters for it).

At the very least, we should treat it like secondary canon, then we can add some stuff that we never get to see in the series, like Hanami's Full Domain Expansion.

(Also has some cool feats like the main villain creating a big ass tree and a random Cursed Spirit sinking an island, so that would be cool).

Is there any statement for that gege saying something related to that being tied to main story?

 

[Arkenis]

Is there a reason we don't use JJK: Phantom Parade? It's official media that doesn't contradict the story, and it's seemingly been worked on by Gege (Hell, he designed two new characters for it).

At the very least, we should treat it like secondary canon, then we can add some stuff that we never get to see in the series, like Hanami's Full Domain Expansion.

(Also has some cool feats like the main villain creating a big ass tree and a random Cursed Spirit sinking an island, so that would be cool).

Designing some characters isn't a criteria for being able to use secondary canon material. And new feats can't be used.

• Entirely new feats of tertiary canon, like for example new abilities, should be disregarded. Details added to existing fight scenes, such as damage caused to the surroundings, can be accepted for text based media like books.
• Any changes based on tertiary canon will only be accepted if they are not contradicted by any instances of another canon, with regards to either the character power-scale, or logical inconsistencies (and plot holes).

 

[Da3ggman]

Is there any statement for that gege saying something related to that being tied to main story?

Not to my knowledge, unfortunately. But, it is meant to sort of be an offshoot of the actual anime itself, which does have Gege's involvement.

Though, even if it isn't even accepted as canon in any regard, it could still easily have it's own pages and stuff.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Though, even if it isn't even accepted as canon in any regard, it could still easily have it's own pages and stuff.

Well yeah but currently we even struggling to maintain maintain canon stuff. It's hard for to work on Game NGL.

 

[Da3ggman]

Well yeah but currently we even struggling to maintain maintain canon stuff. It's hard for to work on Game NGL.

True, the verse is in a rather….disappointing state right now.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Not to my knowledge, unfortunately. But, it is meant to sort of be an offshoot of the actual anime itself, which does have Gege's involvement.

Though, even if it isn't even accepted as canon in any regard, it could still easily have it's own pages and stuff.

You want JJK Phantom Parade to be considered canon for indexing purposes

I want JJK Phantom Parade to be considered canon because of the character interactions between Gojo and Utahime

We are not the same

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yeah, everyone not named Gojo gets blasted by Sukuna when he gets serious and actually starts to apply himself. That was the whole point of why he lost. He literally could’ve won at any time but he ****** around and found out.

Dismantles have never spawned on anyone. Where the hell did you get that idea? Hell, it’s probably the most telegraphed WCS in the entire series. Not only did Sukuna say the chants, point, and make the hand sign, he straight up told Kashimo to “look out” and then the slash started cutting into the ground so he knew exactly where it was coming from and yet somehow he still got clipped by it. Also not sure why you’re using the WCS as an example of him being powerful when it would’ve straight up killed him if it actually hit a few inches closer to his torso.

Also I’m not hating on Kashimo. Hell I think he’s around top 7 or so and only held back by the fact that he doesn’t have RCT. I’m hating on your argument

Evrryone not named gojo AND.... Kashimo....
Thats the difference between kashimo and others bums, sukuna was trying against him, otherwise, he wouldnt start using WCS, literally anyone else wouldve got oneshotted by the same attack, and its also funny how you guys like to use this argument when sukuna have to say the same things for literally evrryone, sukuna didnt said to kashimo "evade this" after he chants, he was saying at the same time while chanting, him saying evade didnt matter at all as kashimo didnt know what even were those chants and for what technique was for ....

And you TALKING about the most telegraphed when yuta couldnt dodge it while sukuna was 1 meter away from him, was being held by rika, had to heal his arms first literally right infront of yuta, say the chants, point to him and only then fire the wcs and all of that while having his output and body CONTROL lowered
Dont compare them bro, apples and oranges bro

 

[Arkenis]

And you TALKING about the most telegraphed when yuta couldnt dodge it while sukuna was 1 meter away from him, was being held by rika, had to heal his arms first literally right infront of yuta, say the chants, point to him and only then fire the wcs and all of that while having his output and body CONTROL lowered

Being closer doesn't make it easier to dodge, it makes it harder. He didn't heal the arm btw its still got the cut Yuta did, saying the chants has never been an issue even against Gojo. Sukuna's anywhere from supersonic to hypersonic, not sure how pointing takes time.

 

[DarkRuler234]

Cry as much as you want nobody will believe that Kashimo is Top 3, because he is not and never will be.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

still waiting for high 3-A ftl meta.

 

[Giannysmag]

Evrryone not named gojo AND.... Kashimo....
Thats the difference between kashimo and others bums, sukuna was trying against him, otherwise, he wouldnt start using WCS, literally anyone else wouldve got oneshotted by the same attack, and its also funny how you guys like to use this argument when sukuna have to say the same things for literally evrryone, sukuna didnt said to kashimo "evade this" after he chants, he was saying at the same time while chanting, him saying evade didnt matter at all as kashimo didnt know what even were those chants and for what technique was for ....

And you TALKING about the most telegraphed when yuta couldnt dodge it while sukuna was 1 meter away from him, was being held by rika, had to heal his arms first literally right infront of yuta, say the chants, point to him and only then fire the wcs and all of that while having his output and body CONTROL lowered
Dont compare them bro, apples and oranges bro

Kashimo glaze in ginormous 2025 is absurd, my brother in Gege we get an explicit statement that Sukuna was holding back on everyone after Gojo and before Maki

 

[Arkenis]

Muzan vs Sukuna

A year ago the match was done and a ton of stuff was different/missing back then so lets see how fair this will be now. Muzan vs Sukuna Using 16f Meguna Sukuna Speed Equalized Natural Disaster: CastoriceTheFifth, Catbowtie, DarkRuler234, YeahhBoyee, karo_senpaii, Passersby, Pearly0nsams...

vsbattles.com

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[DarkRuler234]

So it begins, now we can't trust anyone.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Is there a reason we don't use JJK: Phantom Parade? It's official media that doesn't contradict the story, and it's seemingly been worked on by Gege (Hell, he designed two new characters for it).

At the very least, we should treat it like secondary canon, then we can add some stuff that we never get to see in the series, like Hanami's Full Domain Expansion.

(Also has some cool feats like the main villain creating a big ass tree and a random Cursed Spirit sinking an island, so that would be cool).

Agreed. It also gives more insight into some cool things like character interactions, and just like you said, it doesn't contradict anything in the main story. Gege working on it makes it even more valid, too.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

At least we know that the Q&A about Gojo vs Sukuna is true and still happening.

 

[Arkenis]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

HWB doesn't need 4 hands lol. But I agree with Kashimo being a bum compared to Yuji.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do you guys think Shibuya Mahito can beat Three Fingers Sukuna? If so, the version of him before or after he gets his Black Flash boost?

 

[Arkenis]

Do you guys think Shibuya Mahito can beat Three Fingers Sukuna? If so, the version of him before or after he gets his Black Flash boost?

Gets smacked around and domained.

 

[Giannysmag]

Do you guys think Shibuya Mahito can beat Three Fingers Sukuna? If so, the version of him before or after he gets his Black Flash boost?

Smacks around and dominates

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Do you guys think Shibuya Mahito can beat Three Fingers Sukuna? If so, the version of him before or after he gets his Black Flash boost?

He was scared of 3F Sukuna one shoting him so no.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He was scared of 3F Sukuna one shoting him so no.

I mean we do have Shibuya Mahito as a tier above 3 Finger Sukuna though, at least with his transformed state.

 

[Arkenis]

I mean we do have Shibuya Mahito as a tier above 3 Finger Sukuna though, at least with his transformed state.

A difference of barely several times. And iirc these tiers are outdated due to several calcs.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

A difference of barely several times. And iirc these tiers are outdated due to several calcs.

How behind are we?

 

[Arkenis]

How behind are we?

Months I believe. I remember seeing several potential mid end 8-A calcs that Sukuna and Mahito scale to.