??? This statement doesn't connect at all to your premise that Ch 234-235 Sukuna scales to FP Gojo
As I showed in the statements I sent, his output was still low, just like how Sukuna's output was still low after hitting Black Flashes
In the humongous 2025
It does because sukuna was holding back..
Literally proving me right?..Let's really starting read the manga.
I repeat:
No difference in strength between 233 and 234
You're not reading the manga, I already sent 2 statements saying Gojo's output was low, which was after he hit Black Flash the first time
See the issue with that is that Hakari's scaling is also vague lmao
Hakari scaling isn't vague, we're acting like this man doesn't have a statement of relativness to Yuta, hurting Yuji, and fighting Uraume. I swear its only with JJK where we try to be super ultra strict about scaling
Yuji scaling is not really important to what his implied level is. He's shown to be above Early CG Yuji? Yeah, I would HOPE so
Statements are solid scaling"Do you have feats and solid scaling?"
"We got statements"
I agree with that. But my point is that the statements only really suggest a level of comparability in power to which can't properly apply specifics
I'm confused what specifics do we need applying?
If there showings of power against Hakari and Yuta are anything to go by, Ryu has greater strength
The heavy hitters statement is 99% about their special abilities. And the on a roll statement was shut down by Maki, Hakari struggling with Uraume also doesn't help. Its not even strict, this happens across a lot of verses on site, some verses just have a general biased for a certain form of scaling that gets passed because everyone accepts it.
And maki was so strong that sukuna had to nerf and hold himself back limited to punches only, otherwise, she would get halfed withouth even realizing what happened...
You do realize that they're talking about physical's right? Like while quite a few characters have some neat little techinques, what is king in JJK is physical output more than anything else. Sure Yuta has multiple techinques which he has copied, but Yuta's strength as sorcerer isn't just his copy ability but the amount of CT and the power he has with it. Hakari also only has his output to rely on, his immortality with Jackpot doesn't mean anything if he isn't also a physical threat.
The narrative is for Kashimo to overall be the strongest of his era
I said there's no difference between 233 and 234, not 235
TCB says output in general, and either way Gojo says his output is low in reference to Red
That's what Sukuna needed to regain RCT after he was seemingly completely unable to use it for a while, it's never stated that that restored his CE output to 100%. Besides, 235 Sukuna is significantly slower than 235 Gojo anyways.
You mean the same Maki that was consistently dodging dismantles and only got hit by them literally after taking a direct black flash? The same Maki that also earlier took a cleave to the gut and kept fighting a few pages later? That Maki?And maki was so strong that sukuna had to nerf and hold himself back limited to punches only, otherwise, she would get halfed withouth even realizing what happened...
Kashimo truly is the
Im talking about gojo, it was stated that gojo needed 2 black flashes to fully recovers his RCT output back, and i mentioned the wrong chapter, is chap 258, Sorry
Nope. Kenjaku is talking about their special abilities. He's wary about that more than anything.
Those abilities aren't good compared to what the trio got. We can agree to disagree to but Maki's senses helped her dodge dismantle better than others, Yuta's copy essentially changed the whole fight, and Hakari stalled Uraume who would've been a problem without him.
So then we can only go by feats? If you're saying she hasn't seen either then that applies to Yuta who left and trained a whole year.
Kills them through her ct, not through strength. And she caught Maki off guard with her max output, how is this a good example of her overall power?
Reacting to something thats 20meters away isnt that impressive..
He almost died to it lol
Kashimo's place in that narrative is going unchallenged throughout his natural lifetime. Meanwhile, Ryu himself never had a fight that pushed him to the limit. There's nothing that specifically compares the two. And if anything, Ryu being stated by the narrator to have highest output is a plus in his favor. There's nuances to this that you're ignoring
None of their special abilities makes them specifically dangerous without them being powerful as well. For example, all the techinques Yuta has copied mean nothing if his output isn't high enough to be effective with them. As established with Cursed Speech and Extinguish especially. Maki isn't a threat just because of her senses or invinsibility, she's also dangerous because she's a physical monster. The only person whose special abilities really sticks out for a heavy hitter is Yuji funnily enough, as he has some of the perfect abilities to deal with Sukuna, that said not only does Kenjaku not know about any of this but also Yuji still is one of the most physically impressive members of the Sukuna Suppression squad.
Maki's senses are only one part of her kit and alone aren't enough to make her dangerous.
Yuta is an authority on himself, this should be obvious Ark because that's just how that works. There's a reason I also pointed out she's never seen Yuta go all out because Yuta was there when he went all out in his battle against Geto. That's why his statement should be more reliable than hers. Because Yuta should know himself better than everyone except maybe Gojo.
Because her output is directly tied to her power is why. Uruame isn't a proper threat if her output with her CT isn't anything special, and regardless of whether or not Maki is offguard she was still overwhelmed by Uruame's ice. Hakari clearly didn't have that issue during their battle even though multiple times we see him covered in frost over the course of their offscreen fight.
The "20 meters away"
As offguard as being explicitly told an attack is coming with chants being done beforehand and Sukuna straight up pointing at you and still somehow getting his hand ripped in half by it.
Thank you for reminding me that I want to reread this chapter as well. This is one of my top ten chapters in Shinjuku Showdown, its only problem (if I remember correctly) is that I still haven't read the version that has the redraws completeThe "20 meters away"
Yuta ain't beating Kenny one on one.
You still using Maki statement to cope?
This is about Kashimo.You still using Maki statement to cope?
Why tf is Yuji being brought up lmao? We aren't talking about Sukuna, this is about Kenjaku being stopped by them. All their special abilities can do that. It's that simple, idk how this output thing got brought up when Maki literally has no output, so what its only output for Hakari and Yuta but for Maki its not?
Okay it's Maki's HR in its entirety that's a problem, thanks for pointing that out.
Yuta isn't interested in himself so no he isn't an authority on himself. And why is Yuta's statement more reliable than the feats we've seen for Hakari?
My point was that your example is Uraume's best showing and its with her max output, this doesn't make Uraume top tier now. The guy can regenerate lmao, so yeah he's not overwhelmed by it. But this supports my point that their special abilities are what made them heavy hitters not their high output.
