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A lot of bleach related stomp matches are mostly due to lack of knowledge on bleach, mostly reiatsu crush tbh
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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This doesn't include the last manga arc right?
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It only goes up to chapter 423
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I'm also surprised that Shunsui doesn't have any scaling for his Bankai in his profile.
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I actually have plans for him to get an upgrade for his Bankai, it's just going take me a while to get it out lol (someone else can do it if they want), but I'm just saying this so you know that Shunsui's Bankai giving him a massive amp is something we've considered and agree with
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Man still should be vastly below the powerhouse like unohana, yamamoto.
But ain't that gonna affect the scaling of characters who is relative to him in cfyow.
Man is grimjow's sun destruction gonna be real.
Out of curiosity if latest one shot chapter is canon, soul grade might gonna be a thing. Too much reatsu to be absorbed by the planet
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Is it the regular Bankai multiplier, less, more, or does it scale to Lille's first Vol form?
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Should it scale to Blut given that Lille has really no reason to use it?
I guess you could stick it with an at least,then a possibly higher.
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Should absolutely be 10x multiplier minimum, he's been a captain for a loong time. And while he is lazy, Yamamoto wholeheartedly believing both him an Jūshirō being transcendent in battle together (which obviously is flowery language) and Transcendence wasn't even a thing in the narrative yet, still a huuuge praise. That still should qualify him as being the highest possible for a Bankai upgrade.
I was also wondering about Kido and Hakuda being in Shinigami Physiology page.
Cus its a set standard for all Soul Reapers in the series to have, and how it is portrayed right now. Is an absolute mess throughout them all.
The only problem is which characters can get what level of Kido/Bakudo/Hado.
Honestly I can try making a Sandbox for that, if you're down.
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Iirc Transcendance has different kanji for what Yamamoto refers To Jushiro and Shunsui as compared to when it's brought up for Aizen.
Also,Seniority/Experience is not a metric that i see used for Bankai Multipliers(at least for the current profiles) given Yama is running with X5 i assume as a result of his scaling specifically to/above Royd's Blut.
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Not really. And jushiro should be arguably strongest captain in tybw
Yes. I think all the kido masters should have all the shown kido on their profile. Or at least upto the highest kido was shown, and the characters with similar level of skill in kido should scale as well.
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Honestly, I think it should be as simple as dividing Kido by sets for mastery levels:
- Kido Novice (1-20)
- Kido Practitioner (21-50)
- Kido Adept (51-70)
- Kido Expert (71-81)
- Kido Master (82 and above)
The mastery floor is set at 81 because spells like Danku highlight the gap between Kido below 80 and Kido above 80. Once characters reach 81, their Kido spells seem significantly more impressive compared to everything below that threshold. Cap is <, because most Masters also have Kido spells outside the numbered system, and we haven't even seen a #100 Kido yet.
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Yamamoto is 5x due to him losing his arm, Yhwach himself talks about it too. Plus Yamamoto was prolonging the fight to talk shit to Royd.
May I ask, What does Jushiro being the strongest captain in TYBW, only due to Mimihagi btw, have to do with Shunsui?
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The thing is, what precedent system do we create/utilize to determine what character gets what level. Should it just be what is shown and just go down from there?
Cus there are some characters that use low level Kido in the series, but are certainly more adept to it than others who have shown higher level ones.
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It’s a mix of the highest Kido they’ve shown and any statements or implications about their proficiency. For example, Character A has cast Kido #40, while Character B has only cast #30, but B is implied or stated to be more skilled than A. Depending on how strong the implication or statement is, B could be upscaled by a number or a level. Another example: if a character is said to be more talented or above their peers in Kido, that should affect their ranking. If the character is a lieutenant, being above their peers should put them at Expert level since most lieutenants can reach the 60s or high 60s. If the character is a captain, they should be at Master, because even captains who aren't known for Kido can still do stuff in the 70s. Actually, I think Master level should start at 82, not 81, because Danku itself is the threshold. Once you go beyond that, it should be considered true mastery, not just being at the threshold.
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Already addressed the issue.
Let me clear it with examples.
Unohana probably didn’t show any kido above 90. But someone less skilled than her shown 98 (the kido yama used). So she absolutely should have all the kido upto 98.
Then there comes cases like momo who exceptionally excels im kido should be on expert level below masters.
Characters who are explicitly mentioned to be masters should have all scale above the peak kido shown by the likes shinji.
It's easy to determine now since they have more kido feats
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I think Rose might have klub statement of him being the best at kido barring Hachi among the vizards?
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Never makin threads for verses I'm not Suuuuuper deep into. Funnily they're High 1-A and above. I'm more than willing to talk about here or in PM, if you're fine with that.
Unohana should be far above Kisuke though right? And Kisuke did Hado 99
Understood, agree with that
Should I still make a Sandbox for the Kido, as an example? or nah
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Not sure. But she is above yamamoto
You can I guess. Since you now have general idea about how it can be indexed.
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Danku is Hado/offensive Kido under 90, not 80 (Depending on reiatsu/mastery or something since Tessai was surprised a Danku from a lieutenant could stop his 80s level kido). Using your reasoning, a Kido Master would be 90 and above. Unless what you meant is that Danku is such a great spell that only masters should have it?
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In my opinion, Danku is the clear threshold between expert and master Kido. It blocks anything below it and even some above, basically nullifying the system under 90. It’s not just strong but also hard to master, if it were easy or something below an expert could pull off, it’d be way more common. From what we’ve seen, Byakuya, possibly the most proficient Kido user before reaching what we’d call a master, caps at Danku in the audience’s perspective, meaning that’s where our knowledge of his proficiency ends. Since he’s an expert but not a master or Kido god, that suggests anything past it, starting from 82, should be in the master range. Even though Danku can block 82, the fact that 82 is a higher-numbered spell means it should still be more difficult to perform, making it part of that master-tier range. The 90s are unwieldy even for masters, so logically, there should be a set of spells before that, ones that masters can handle but are still difficult enough to separate them from experts.
That’s my reasoning, but I’m open to other opinions.
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Bleach openings always make me so nostalgic, man. I remember some months ago waking to this song in my mind, without remembering where it was from, but still it made me feel so nostalgic and melancholic.
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Wouldn't that be the power of his imagination doing that, not the power of space?
Did the post here cause I don't want off topic that thread more that it has been.
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both are irrelevant to scaling anyway
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Btw could Gojo's infinity protect himself from soul crush or he just gets tapped by a crippled reaper
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Infinity only works on stuff Gojo can perceive, so Spiritual Pressure would get past it fairly easily (that's not to mention that many Bleach characters have shown the ability to cut through space anyway).
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Oh alright cause I remember a person arguing that Gojo would win against Ichigo as Gojo's infinity would protect him from soul crush, like how it protects him from curse energy
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Cool.
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I looked into gremmy's meteor calc. And I have found some minir issues. For the most part the calc is fine.
It's about gremmy's ap. There there multiple angle to this.
1. Gremmy's ap through impact of meterite.
2. Energy needed to create the meteorite.
Both are different things.
No 2 requires popular mass energy conversion formula of einstein.
While no 1 being used, earthquake formula seems more feasible and practical than kinetic energy, cause that's how the destruction happens and we are calculating his AP through meteorite's destruction capability in actuality. Kinetic energy is more feasible method for meteor destruction.
Here,
vsbattles.fandom.com
It's about gremmy's ap. There there multiple angle to this.
1. Gremmy's ap through impact of meterite.
2. Energy needed to create the meteorite.
Both are different things.
No 2 requires popular mass energy conversion formula of einstein.
While no 1 being used, earthquake formula seems more feasible and practical than kinetic energy, cause that's how the destruction happens and we are calculating his AP through meteorite's destruction capability in actuality. Kinetic energy is more feasible method for meteor destruction.
Here,
Gremmy's Meteor Anime Ver.
vsbattles.fandom.com
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We have strict standards on using Einstein’s mass energy conversion formula because it leads to massively inflated values. Feel free to make a calc thread tho.I looked into gremmy's meteor calc. And I have found some minir issues. For the most part the calc is fine.
It's about gremmy's ap. There there multiple angle to this.
1. Gremmy's ap through impact of meterite.
2. Energy needed to create the meteorite.
Both are different things.
No 2 requires popular mass energy conversion formula of einstein.
While no 1 being used, earthquake formula seems more feasible and practical than kinetic energy, cause that's how the destruction happens and we are calculating his AP through meteorite's destruction capability in actuality. Kinetic energy is more feasible method for meteor destruction.
Here,
Gremmy's Meteor Anime Ver.
Also, I agree the meteor impact formula is better to use; however, calc staff voted against it being used so there’s not much to be done there.
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Not only can Gojo's Infinity can only protect him from something he can sense, due to the Six Eyes.
But also only from stuff that has physical attributes, hence why Gojo specifically told to Geto and Shoko that now his Infinity can automatically target the object's mass/shape/speed, etc.
Plus Limitless only works up to the atomic level.
So really anything spiritual, which 99% of all fiction doesnt have any physical stuff behind it… does not care about Infinity at all.
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Me just realizing a cool new Bleach game is gonna drop:
Me opening my wallet and seeing it's empty:
Why am I always broke at moments like this!!! Sadly I'll half to wait, unless I get paid this month but my employer doesn't pay me unless they want to so. Anyone know the price of the game?
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I guess so
Can you link the thread? We can just probably adjust it.
I liked the calcs. Zaraki's one as well.
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Remind me like Sunday or sumn, and I’ll see if I can find it…
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Oh alright
Also regarding Askin, do you think he's capable of taking down the DBS fighters in a fight? Or he would get blitzed in his final form
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Only In speed equal he should drop them down
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Hm alright. Was wondering since I saw in the vsbw rule, passives can only be overcomed by immeasurable speed
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They are not faster than passives, but askin needs to intake what he plans to manipulate ei. KI etc.
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