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Just for the sake of clarification (it has been a good while since I've done a re-read of Bleach), when is it stated that Gremmy converts spiritual energy / pressure into whatever he imagines? My understanding is that he just uses the power of his imagination, not the power of spiritual energy for his feats. As you mentioned earlier, simply doubling himself doesn't actually double the amount of energy he has access to or increase his AP in a linear fashion, it just doubles his "power of imagination".
Imagination is the mean from which he create things, it is abstract, yourself as well has it, that's is why I say multiplying it is doesn't neccesarly follow a math multiplication, it's subjective on the way he thinks.
To create matter from zero, you require to produce energy.
So unless there can be some kind of unknown special energy in Bleach that no one knows and Gremmy is using, Quincy powers stems from Spiritual energy as well.
Additionaly as I said, there is really no reason to assume to same exact 7 clones somehow decided to output less energy by suiciding when they wanted to kill him tbh.
If the clones self-destructed, they should have at least released the same amount of energy they previously demonstrated. Why would their complete self-destruction emit less energy than an attack they created effortlessly just before? Why would they output less energy at the moment of their ultimate sacrifice?
Instead of looking for a reason why wouldn't it scale, I look for a reason for why should it scale. I'm not personally convinced yet that we should scale his ability like that; all we know is he imagined an explosion, we don't know exactly how powerful he imagined that explosion to be. There is no rule to the Visionary saying that everything he imagines is equally powerful.
Instead of looking for a reason why wouldn't it scale, I look for a reason for why should it scale. I'm not personally convinced yet that we should scale his ability like that; all we know is he imagined an explosion, we don't know exactly how powerful he imagined that explosion to be. There is no rule to the Visionary saying that everything he imagines is equally powerful.
I think the OP already tackled this point before and it is becoming circular. If the explosion requires more energy than what is needed to create a galaxy, then logically regardless of the DC it scales above galaxy level. This is how Attack potency works in fiction.
"We need more feats" is absolutely valid when dealing with a potential outlier. We're upgrading 5-C characters to 4-A, I think we have the right to be skeptical
(For the record tho I don't care for the "his explosion isn't necessarily as strong as the energy used to create outer space" argument, I think it sucks, why would Gremmy just shoot his power way down for the explosion lol)
Gremmy is stated in every medium to have created literal outer space. Don’t care about scaling but this wiki is inherently for indexing. Therefore he needs 4-A with creation listed on his profile at bare minimum since it’s a fact he created a 4-A space.
As things currently stands I agree with the notion of this being an.putlier the only characters to scale to any feat accepted anywhere around this range are frankly massively stronger than Gremmy.
That being said no eyepatch Kenpachi may scale to 4-A due to Gerard, either from his statements of being the strongest quincy or from knocking out Renji, given the fact that Gremmy scales to this Kenny just with his eyepatch on ot may create a meaningful enough link that this no longer becomes an extreme outlier but seeing as those feats aren't animated yet I suggest this be put on hold.
TLDR; This thread is much better being put off till cour 4 is released where much more supporting evidence to counter outlier claims may or may not surface, but as things stand now I disagree with OP
"We need more feats" is absolutely valid when dealing with a potential outlier. We're upgrading 5-C characters to 4-A, I think we have the right to be skeptical
A single 5-C feat was enough to establish the verse at 5-C. Likewise, a single feat for Squad 0 was enough to place them and those who scale to them at 4-A. Even Yhwach’s current galaxy-level scaling is based on just one feat.
If you apply this logic to any other fictional verse on the wiki, you get the same result. For example, with just one feat, Goku jumped from Solar System level to Low Multiversal, and characters like Krillin, who was previously Star level, now scale to Low Multiversal simply by association. The reality is that most verses making significant jumps in scaling don’t provide multiple feats at that tier and we all know this. Saying we need more feats even after the OP has provided consistent supporting evidence and reasoning isn’t a valid argument. I stand by that.
Imagination is the mean from which he create things, it is abstract, yourself as well has it, that's is why I say multiplying it is doesn't neccesarly follow a math multiplication, it's subjective on the way he thinks.
To create matter from zero, you require to produce energy.
So unless there can be some kind of unknown special energy in Bleach that no one knows and Gremmy is using, Quincy powers stems from Spiritual energy as well.
Additionaly as I said, there is really no reason to assume to same exact 7 clones somehow decided to output less energy by suiciding when they wanted to kill him tbh.
If you apply this logic to any other fictional verse on the wiki, you get the same result. For example, with just one feat, Goku jumped from Solar System level to Low Multiversal, and characters like Krillin, who was previously Star level, now scale to Low Multiversal simply by association. The reality is that most verses making significant jumps in scaling don’t provide multiple feats at that tier and we all know this. Saying we need more feats even after the OP has provided consistent supporting evidence and reasoning isn’t a valid argument. I stand by that.
Not really something to stand on. Objectively speaking, it is absolutely necessary to apply scrutiny to upgrade existing characters to such a high degree
Not really something to stand on. Objectively speaking, it is absolutely necessary to apply scrutiny to upgrade existing characters to such a high degree
I don’t mind people applying scrutiny, I do the same. However, if you’re going to challenge something, it’s important to counter with valid arguments and engage in good faith. Otherwise, you go from scrutinizing to arguing in bad faith. Personally, I don't even like the idea of Gremmy potentially soloing Shippuden on the Wiki. But after reading the OP’s argument, I couldn’t bring myself to disagree based on bias alone. The reasoning was solid, and disagreeing without proper counterarguments would be bad faith.
I don’t mind people applying scrutiny, I do the same. However, if you’re going to challenge something, it’s important to counter with valid arguments and engage in good faith. Otherwise, you go from scrutinizing to arguing in bad faith. Personally, I don't even like the idea of Gremmy potentially soloing Shippuden on the Wiki. But after reading the OP’s argument, I couldn’t bring myself to disagree based on bias alone. The reasoning was solid, and disagreeing without proper counterarguments would be bad faith.
The problem is that I've made counterarguments, and while you're obviously more than welcome to disagree with them, I don't really appreciate this notion that the disagreements come from bad faith
The problem is that I've made counterarguments, and while you're obviously more than welcome to disagree with them, I don't really appreciate this notion that the disagreements come from bad faith
Additionaly as I said, there is really no reason to assume to same exact 7 clones somehow decided to output less energy by suiciding when they wanted to kill him tbh.
There is even an event in the series that supports what you say. In the SS Arc, Chad vs Base Shunsui fight, Chad's suicide attack could have done effective damage to Shunsui. But his attacks before the suicide attack were not even close to this level. In fictional series, the Ap of the suicide attack is generally>Ap of normal attacks. There is no need to give an example from another fiction, here is an example from Chad's bleach series. Gremmy's suicide attack with 7 clones>Ap of 7 Clones=Space creation feat.
There is even an event in the series that supports what you say. In the SS Arc, Chad vs Base Shunsui fight, Chad's suicide attack could have done effective damage to Shunsui. But his attacks before the suicide attack were not even close to this level. In fictional series, the Ap of the suicide attack is generally>Ap of normal attacks. There is no need to give an example from another fiction, here is an example from Chad's bleach series. Gremmy's suicide attack with 7 clones>Ap of 7 Clones=Space creation feat.
Gremmy is stated in every medium to have created literal outer space. Don’t care about scaling but this wiki is inherently for indexing. Therefore he needs 4-A with creation listed on his profile at bare minimum since it’s a fact he created a 4-A space.
I agree. I believe the wiki should index what happens in the series, as well as what the authors—like Narita—acknowledge to have happened. This further supports that it is not an error; the feat was intended to be impressive.
The Debate
So @Damage3245 , I like that you engage in the debate, this is a public wiki and everyone can read so if the thread get rejected they need to see valid reasons, that is the point of correct indexing.
Leaving aside Urahara Kisuke, whose threat level comes from his extreme intelligence rather than raw strength, all the other threats are now rated 4-A to 3-C, except for Zaraki. Interestingly enough, Zaraki now has his own feat that scales to this level, yet we are dismissing it as an outlier. But is an outlier something that actually makes the power scaling more consistent?
There are even more characters who rely on strength, such as Tenjiro and Ichibei—who aren’t even fully listed in that category or even not listed at all—yet they are rated 4-A. The only exception in this list is Zaraki Kenpachi. How is it that someone ranked among the top five threats for sheer combat strength is supposedly massively weaker than individuals who aren’t even listed? Why Askin that saw both Zaraki and the S0 never doubt the top 5 list? This is clear narrative intent that Zaraki is one of the strongest characters ever, regardless of the interpretation you try to apply in who is stronger than who.
Before anyone try to claim "He doesn't have to be stronger than ichibei or Shuatara for example", to be clear, I agree, I’m not claiming that Zaraki is definitively stronger than all of them, it depends on interpretation. Factors like his Shikai, Bankai, and Eyepatch all affect his strength.
However, this undeniably proves that, narratively speaking, there is no basis for the claim that "Zaraki is massively weaker than Squad Zero to the point that his on-screen feats should be dismissed as outliers." Hence Zaraki and Gremmy should scale to their own legit feats, I'm not claiming to scale them to S0.
Gremmy is repeatedly stated to be the strongest Sternitter at the time, no one ever doubted it as well, and only Gerard dared to claim that he had become the strongest only way later, and funny enough Gerard as well fought Zaraki.
The Burden of Proof
Unless the opposition can provide evidence for the following claims:
That unleashed Shikai Zaraki Kenpachi is massively weaker than other Squad Zero members.
That Kubo and Askin are wrong to place Zaraki in the top 5 list of biggest threats for combat strength while somehow being the only one who doesn’t scale to the others threats after his unlock potential.
An most importantly why this feat is an "extreme example," "completely unusable," or "irreconcilably inconsistent" event according to the Outlier page
If no one can provide concrete evidence for these points, then this feat is not an outlier. In fact, it is the exact opposite—it is consistent with the established scaling of the verse.
If anyone can provide this proof and give an in-depth explanation of why the feat is an outlier and why Zaraki is supposedly massively weaker than Squad Zero, I’d be happy to debate the topic further, since there are far more proof that proves Zaraki strength's being on top of the verse.
In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities.
The quantification of valid creation feats follows a general rule of thumb and common sense. Things should be ranked at a level roughly equivalent to the size or, more specifically, the mass of the objects that get created.
If the clones self-destructed, why would their suicide explosion emit less energy than the outer space they effortlessly created the moments earlier?
Why would the exact same seven clones suddenly output less energy at the moment of their ultimate sacrifice when Gremmy was desperate to KILL zaraki in a suicide?
Why would the author specifically highlight "Gremmy is strong enough to create outer space", only for the same exact clones to output less energy upon their destruction in an ultimate sacrifice if Gremmy WANTED to win?
Let's analyse and question the narrative of a Shonen manga.
Since both creating outer space and self-destruction were done using The Visionary, the same ability, and creation from zero require energy, it logically follows that both should have the same source of energy since they all clone uses The Visionary, and unless there are proof the same 7 exact clones now decided to output less energy, or use different source of ability despite they did an ultimate sacrifice and suicide, in attempt to KILL zaraki, then Zaraki should scale.
I believe it is entirely legitimate to ask for evidence proving that these two factors are disconnected and should not be used for scaling.
Additionally, there are clear narrative implications that Zaraki's Shikai strength surpasses the limits of Gremmy's imagination as well. Which is why Gremmy lost in the first place.
So honestly, unless concrete proof is provided that somehow disconnects the creation of the two attacks—both of which were created using the exact same ability—and proves that one attack required energy while the other used something entirely different, or that the two are unrelated despite originating from the same ability, it just seems like a case of mental gymnastics.
He has created a variety of things, all of which function exactly on par with or even better than their real-world counterparts. Even ignoring their greater potency, their functionality at core is identical to the real thing.
So, Unless Gremmy is secretly a mechanical engineer and scientist as well, the only explanation is that The Visionary creates objects following their real life counterpart structure.
Why, all of a sudden, would outer space be the exception?
Why would Narita, the novel author, even highlight that Gremmy was amazing because he could even create outer space if this was just not a real thing?
Outer space is an incredibly complex concept, and in our universe, everything exists and functions for a reason, it was created in a specific way.
Stars drive away gas and particles through intense radiation and stellar winds, originating from the process of the universe's formation, which was initially filled with gas. This also prevents an atmosphere from forming in open space. Even gravity would behave differently under these conditions, it is all linked.
So if Gremmy decided to create an outer space with stars, then it exists as such with it's details and properties. If he had wanted, he could have created something entirely different instead.
The Burden of Proof
So once again, I am asking for evidence, just as I did in the outlier discussion.
If anyone claims that Gremmy’s outer space and stars don't follow real life counter part structure, they need to provide evidences to support that assertion, proving why they don't follow real life counter part structure.
I believe I have gathered sufficient proof for a correct indexing.
@Damage3245 , I would appreciate it if you could respond to my questions and points so we can proceed with the debate, or if you have any better idea for scalings as well. There are only a few characters who can objectively be considered above Shikai Zaraki.
@Infinite9Luck I appreciate the response and I would go through it when I can but I'll be going on holiday for several days very soon and won't be able to do much more than just check in on the forum. Don't hold up the thread on my account alone - just letting you know I won't be able to respond.
I can't do a full response that would give justice to your post at this time; all I'll clarify at the moment is that I don't think it's been substantiated enough that Gremmy's imagination power requires converting a form of energy into matter in order to work - though I can understand how others have gotten to that interpretation. My current vote is to disagree with the thread, if that could be updated to the OP. If the discussion is still going on when I get back, I'll resume commenting.
@Infinite9Luck I appreciate the response and I would go through it when I can but I'll be going on holiday for several days very soon and won't be able to do much more than just check in on the forum. Don't hold up the thread on my account alone - just letting you know I won't be able to respond.
I can't do a full response that would give justice to your post at this time; all I'll clarify at the moment is that I don't think it's been substantiated enough that Gremmy's imagination power requires converting a form of energy into matter in order to work - though I can understand how others have gotten to that interpretation. My current vote is to disagree with the thread, if that could be updated to the OP. If the discussion is still going on when I get back, I'll resume commenting.
Thanks for your willingness to debate. It seems that the outlier argument has been dropped, which is good. Now, the only remaining issue is the way energy works in this context and scaling.
However, that also requires a justification. It’s important to address my points regarding narrative consistency and explain why Gremmy should be using less energy in this scenario.
I’ll wait for your response, and hopefully, others will also address my points as a whole so people even outisde the wiki can read and see it why it can be rejected or accepted.
@Infinite9Luck I appreciate the response and I would go through it when I can but I'll be going on holiday for several days very soon and won't be able to do much more than just check in on the forum. Don't hold up the thread on my account alone - just letting you know I won't be able to respond.
I can't do a full response that would give justice to your post at this time; all I'll clarify at the moment is that I don't think it's been substantiated enough that Gremmy's imagination power requires converting a form of energy into matter in order to work - though I can understand how others have gotten to that interpretation. My current vote is to disagree with the thread, if that could be updated to the OP. If the discussion is still going on when I get back, I'll resume commenting.
After all the effort from the OP to provide valid and reasonable counters to your argument, this is your response? ‘I don’t think’, with no valid reasoning, no explanation, no alternative argument for how imagination can be brought to reality without energy? And yet, you still disagree?
After all the effort from the OP to provide valid and reasonable counters to your argument, this is your response? ‘I don’t think’, with no valid reasoning, no explanation, no alternative argument for how imagination can be brought to reality without energy? And yet, you still disagree?
I just said I can't do a full response, so no, that's not my in-depth response to the OP's post above, that was me clarifying my position until I can get back to the thread.
I also added a section from the Creation feat page, which helps a lot my argument after reading the page.
In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities.
In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities.
The quantification of valid creation feats follows a general rule of thumb and common sense. Things should be ranked at a level roughly equivalent to the size or, more specifically, the mass of the objects that get created.
I just said I can't do a full response, so no, that's not my in-depth response to the OP's post above, that was me clarifying my position until I can get back to the thread.
“I'll be going on holiday for several days very soon and won't be able to do much more than just check in on the forum. Don't hold up the thread on my account alone - just letting you know I won't be able to respond.“
You can’t say this and still disagree when you know that, unlike other members, your vote directly impacts the acceptance or rejection of the CRT and you can’t ask the OP to just leave this CRT open indefinitely. If you’re unable to engage, stay neutral until you can.
“I'll be going on holiday for several days very soon and won't be able to do much more than just check in on the forum. Don't hold up the thread on my account alone - just letting you know I won't be able to respond.“
You can’t say this and still disagree when you know that, unlike other members, your vote directly impacts the acceptance or rejection of the CRT and you can’t ask the OP to just leave this CRT open indefinitely. If you’re unable to engage, stay neutral.
My vote doesn't get negated just because I'm unable to argue on the forum for a while. I've already stated I don't want to hold up the thread; if the votes come through to approve or reject it without me, then that's fine with me. I literally said nothing about asking the OP to keep the thread open indefinitely hence me saying:
I also said that if the thread happened to still be open then I'll contribute again, but that's not the same as me asking for the thread to stay open for my sake.
My vote doesn't get negated just because I'm unable to argue on the forum for a while. I've already stated I don't want to hold up the thread; if the votes come through to approve or reject it without me, then that's fine with me. I literally said nothing about asking the OP to keep the thread open indefinitely hence me saying:
I also said that if the thread happened to still be open then I'll contribute again, but that's not the same as me asking for the thread to stay open for my sake.
So yes your vote is negated if you dont reply with a valid counter to the OP’s arguments. You are not a regular member Damage you can't just disagree based off “I don't think” which is simply a personal opinion that is backed up by no valid reasoning or evidence. Stay neutral untill you are ready to engage and provide a valid argument.
“I know you hate me buddy” is not a valid argument either what you are doing right now is called “ad hominem fallacy”. This has nothing to do with personal feelings like hate or love but how you are conducting yourself in this CRT, I will make the same argument against any MOD if they acted in this manner. Now if you are unable to evaluate this CRT by the wiki standards stay neutral.
@Infinite9Luck
If he insists that you add his Vote without him tackling your point do not answer him (This is a ground for reporting). Either way, as this is your CRT please make the best decision you see fit.
@Samlex1234 My acknowledgement of how much you dislike me is not an ad hominem; it's not part of my response to this CRT but rather my response to you.
Thank you for the participation, lately lot of people came to agree and I appreciate it.
I agree. I believe the wiki should index what happens in the series, as well as what the authors—like Narita—acknowledge to have happened. This further supports that it is not an error; the feat was intended to be impressive.
The Debate
So @Damage3245 , I like that you engage in the debate, this is a public wiki and everyone can read so if the thread get rejected they need to see valid reasons, that is the point of correct indexing.
Leaving aside Urahara Kisuke, whose threat level comes from his extreme intelligence rather than raw strength, all the other threats are now rated 4-A to 3-C, except for Zaraki. Interestingly enough, Zaraki now has his own feat that scales to this level, yet we are dismissing it as an outlier. But is an outlier something that actually makes the power scaling more consistent?
There are even more characters who rely on strength, such as Tenjiro and Ichibei—who aren’t even fully listed in that category or even not listed at all—yet they are rated 4-A. The only exception in this list is Zaraki Kenpachi. How is it that someone ranked among the top five threats for sheer combat strength is supposedly massively weaker than individuals who aren’t even listed? Why Askin that saw both Zaraki and the S0 said the top 5 list is as exaclty as he was told? This is clear narrative intent that Zaraki is one of the strongest characters ever, regardless of the interpretation you try to apply in who is stronger than who.
Before anyone try to claim "He doesn't have to be stronger than ichibei or Shuatara for example", to be clear, I agree, I’m not claiming that Zaraki is definitively stronger than all of them, it depends on interpretation. Factors like his Shikai, Bankai, and Eyepatch all affect his strength.
However, this undeniably proves that, narratively speaking, there is no basis for the claim that "Zaraki is massively weaker than Squad Zero to the point that his on-screen feats should be dismissed as outliers." Hence Zaraki and Gremmy should scale to their own legit feats, I'm not claiming to scale them to S0.
Gremmy is repeatedly stated to be the strongest Sternitter at the time, no one ever doubted it as well, and only Gerard dared to claim that he had become the strongest only way later, and funny enough Gerard as well fought Zaraki.
The Burden of Proof
Unless the opposition can provide evidence for the following claims:
That unleashed Shikai Zaraki Kenpachi is massively weaker than other Squad Zero members.
That Kubo and Askin are wrong to place Zaraki in the top 5 list of biggest threats for combat strength while somehow being the only one who doesn’t scale to the others threats after his unlock potential.
An most importantly why this feat is an "extreme example," "completely unusable," or "irreconcilably inconsistent" event according to the Outlier page
If no one can provide concrete evidence for these points, then this feat is not an outlier. In fact, it is the exact opposite—it is consistent with the established scaling of the verse.
If anyone can provide this proof and give an in-depth explanation of why the feat is an outlier and why Zaraki is supposedly massively weaker than Squad Zero, I’d be happy to debate the topic further, since there are far more proof that proves Zaraki strength's being on top of the verse.
In order to apply to a character's capacity to harm other characters, that is their usual Attack Potency, their Creation has to be connected to their other abilities.
The quantification of valid creation feats follows a general rule of thumb and common sense. Things should be ranked at a level roughly equivalent to the size or, more specifically, the mass of the objects that get created.
(A starry Sky)
The Key Question
If the clones self-destructed, why would their suicide explosion emit less energy than the outer space they effortlessly created the moments earlier?
Why would the exact same seven clones suddenly output less energy at the moment of their ultimate sacrifice when Gremmy was desperate to KILL zaraki in a suicide?
Why would the author specifically highlight "Gremmy is strong enough to create outer space", only for the same exact clones to output less energy upon their destruction in an ultimate sacrifice if Gremmy WANTED to win?
Let's analyse and question the narrative of a Shonen manga.
Since both creating outer space and self-destruction were done using The Visionary, the same ability, and creation from zero require energy, it logically follows that both should have the same source of energy since they all clone uses The Visionary, and unless there are proof the same 7 exact clones now decided to output less energy, or use different source of ability despite they did an ultimate sacrifice and suicide, in attempt to KILL zaraki, then Zaraki should scale.
I believe it is entirely legitimate to ask for evidence proving that these two factors are disconnected and should not be used for scaling.
Additionally, there are clear narrative implications that Zaraki's Shikai strength surpasses the limits of Gremmy's imagination as well. Which is why Gremmy lost in the first place.
I believe I have gathered sufficient proof for a correct indexing.
@Damage3245 , I would appreciate it if you could respond to my questions and points so we can proceed with the debate, or if you have any better idea for scalings as well. There are only a few characters who can objectively be considered above Shikai Zaraki.
Ah we know it's stronger than his previous attacks. He managed to damage zaraki, git exhausted after performjng the attack, the general notion within the verse sacrificial attack being stronger.
@Samlex1234 My acknowledgement of how much you dislike me is not an ad hominem; it's not part of my response to this CRT but rather my response to you.
Sorry, I think normal users aren't allowed to tag mods, So had to bring all thise response.
You see, we all have been patiently responding to the counter arguments which are so backdated and visibly looks weird in 2025. This isn't called hate.
We all have bias. But there should be a level to that. Try to improve yourself to see things from more neutral point of view rather than using provocative words.
@Samlex1234 My acknowledgement of how much you dislike me is not an ad hominem; it's not part of my response to this CRT but rather my response to you.
Yes, this is an ad hominem fallacy because instead of addressing my argument itself, you shifted focus to attacking my character, implying that I’m making my case out of hatred for you to undermine its credibility.
This would be my final reply on this as I don't want to derail this CRT anymore.
“If you prefer” isn’t the right way to approach this. You can’t just vote like that, he might prefer to mark you as agreeing, is that also fine? “Put me down as neutral for now” saying it would not kill you.
Ah we know it's stronger than his previous attacks. He managed to damage zaraki, git exhausted after performjng the attack, the general notion within the verse sacrificial attack being stronger.
I actually agree with you to an extent on this - in that we can compare it to his earlier attacks that did land on Zaraki and compare the damage he did to him which is much greater than those attacks - but the Galaxy Room wouldn't fall under that type of comparison. The Galaxy Room wasn't an attack that hit Zaraki like the others, but was made to expose him to vacuum.
Sorry, I think normal users aren't allowed to tag mods, So had to bring all thise response.
You see, we all have been patiently responding to the counter arguments which are so backdated and visibly looks weird in 2025. This isn't called hate.
We all have bias. But there should be a level to that. Try to improve yourself to see things from more neutral point of view rather than using provocative words.
Save some of your reprimands for Samlex who is even more provocative in my opinion. I posted that I didn't want the thread left open for me, and Samlex claimed that I wanted the thread left open indefinitely. I can take people criticizing me, but I take umbrage with fraudulent complaints.
I'd be more than happy for that - I'll stop responding to Samlex on this thread as I should have done earlier, but he'd likely complain that I was just ignoring him.
Save some of your reprimands for Samlex who is even more provocative in my opinion. I posted that I didn't want the thread left open for me, and Samlex claimed that I wanted the thread left open indefinitely. I can take people criticizing me, but I take umbrage with fraudulent complaints.
I'd be more than happy for that - I'll stop responding to Samlex on this thread as I should have done earlier, but he'd likely complain that I was just ignoring him.
I actually agree with you to an extent on this - in that we can compare it to his earlier attacks that did land on Zaraki and compare the damage he did to him which is much greater than those attacks - but the Galaxy Room wouldn't fall under that type of comparison. The Galaxy Room wasn't an attack that hit Zaraki like the others, but was made to expose him to vacuum.
I actually agree with you to an extent on this - in that we can compare it to his earlier attacks that did land on Zaraki and compare the damage he did to him which is much greater than those attacks - but the Galaxy Room wouldn't fall under that type of comparison. The Galaxy Room wasn't an attack that hit Zaraki like the others, but was made to expose him to vacuum.
Save some of your reprimands for Samlex who is even more provocative in my opinion. I posted that I didn't want the thread left open for me, and Samlex claimed that I wanted the thread left open indefinitely. I can take people criticizing me, but I take umbrage with fraudulent complaints.
I'd be more than happy for that - I'll stop responding to Samlex on this thread as I should have done earlier, but he'd likely complain that I was just ignoring him.
I literally got single or two reply in this whole thread man .
It's ok to lose composure from time to time. It opens up more for improvement and is actually refreshing. I was just suggesting you to be more responsible than Samlex since you have a position here and try to use such negative words (hate) as less possible. It destroys the mode. You can attack him other ways tho
I have applied a threadban for @Samlex1234 for one day for their unnecessary outburst (literally all Damage did was say "hey, I can't respond right now, you don't have to wait for me, but this is my stance")
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