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Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread
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Why would you comment on the difficulty of the fights when you're playing in a way that artificially makes the game more difficult than intended?
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Cuz I haven't played only challenges
Though I mentioned before that I may have listed those bosses with influence of the challenges cuz they're the last time I've played the game, I also played it regularly, just many many years ago
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Nonynho
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Futaba "Oracle" Sakura>>>>>>>>>
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excluding P1 and IS/EP (as the mechanics for them are so different) , i think you can find ways to get certain party members to scale off one another or at least in the same ish range (thanks to Ultimax and Q). that being said i use to believe there was a much larger gap between the main wild card users from the modern trilogy with Makoto >>> but i no longer hold this opinion at all.
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Powerscaling and our official ratings aside (because the verse, as always, is undergoing massive revisions), I think the authorial intention is clear that most Persona users, across each game, are supposed to be roughly comparable, at least for the purposes of storytelling.
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Ig the main diff is how much they can use their stuff in the real world, which if my memory doesn't betray me, would get p5 as the strongest, no? Don't remember if p4 guys use their abilities at all IRL and to me even Nyx is fought inside Dark Hour/Tartarus
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I also think something like this to be true, which would give p5 another "edge" with Picaro personas, if I'm not mistaken on my other point, for the wild card user of the game
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i think based on memory P3 are the only ones that explicitly imply or show feats of doing so without the dark hour, that being said i think its still implied the others could too if the situation called for it.
that being said im in agreement with luke that narratively they prob intended to be closer than further apart in the power hierarchy, outliers not withstanding.
though my current mindset has Joker as possibly the strongest of the trio, just at least with some of the recent spin offs and narrative implications (Like Fuuka in reload sensing a Cognition of Joker and crapping herself over its power) though even if we still said Makoto was the strongest i dont think either protag is >>>>
that being said im in agreement with luke that narratively they prob intended to be closer than further apart in the power hierarchy, outliers not withstanding.
though my current mindset has Joker as possibly the strongest of the trio, just at least with some of the recent spin offs and narrative implications (Like Fuuka in reload sensing a Cognition of Joker and crapping herself over its power) though even if we still said Makoto was the strongest i dont think either protag is >>>>
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though on a side note, Maki from persona 1 has statements in Persona 2 from Igor as being the strongest persona user (during this time) which id like to see reflected on her profile at some point
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Rise Kujikawa >>>>>>>>>>
Like damn, automatic scans and a free revive? Broken as hell.
Nonynho
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When tho?
Also if p3 does this, still, this isn't true, p5's last Dungeon is in the real world afaik
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I don't really get the logic behind rating them based on whether they can use their Personas in the real world, when one of the thematic capstones of the series is understanding the distinction between the "real" and "Cognitive" doesn't actually exist. There are also statements in P4A that Hashino trilogy Persona users can wield their Personas in the real world.
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Plz provide them, I'm genuinely interested
I don't get at all what you're saying here when they enter different places/dimensions to execute their stuff.
I mean, where's the mascots shenanigans like Morgana-Van or the masks, or any other example?
At the end of those 3, usually something "breaks a barrier", like Yaldabaoth Summoning the last Dungeon, Nyx's fight (iirc) and that fog that got their glasses working at p4g, but I can't see any evidence that they could always do this or smth like that
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Yes. Evangelion Lucifer is stronger than thicc titty satan.
Tho 7 headed Satan is stronger. At least my boi hibonibo scales to this satan now. The power of twink is just too much for the great will to suppress.
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Why?
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Not at all, Angel Lucifer and 4's Lucifer (final form) are equally strong, and both Satan (and their crazy literally best designs of the franchise) forms are stronger than Lucifers
Every installment that has Satan either let's implicit or directly says that Satan is second to (Vinyl scratch SFX) and most of the time, Lucifer is a material to get Satan like it's in SMT4A.
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Why is that? As far as I remember, there's nothing to directly scale angel Lucifer to IV's Lucifer
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ok, so
there's nothing that directly says this, but
there's also nothing to tell us this ain't true.
he's also beneath god, he's also wanting to dethrone god and also needs help from someone he can help enpowering to do so
what and where would there be an evidence for Ugly Lucifer to be beneath Angel or Nocturne's (assuming there's a diff between them too, which i don't see as all of them serve the same purposes and do the same thing. to me Ugly Lucifer (IV) = Aleph-Helper Lucifer (Angel) = Nocturne's TDE/SMTV's Lucifer )
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UHHH
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Why is SMT III > SMT II when they both directly faced YHVH and won with help?
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Because iirc V lucifer slayed YHVH alone
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You are completely mistaken on the last word
SMT III's TDE is canon and so is Demifiend's appearance in V.
before V was released, we had evidence that TDE is Demifiend being enslaved by Lucifer to go and fight God
We have no evidence directly stating he was alone
We have no evidence directly stating III is not canon to V, and coincidentally Demifiend is mentioned in the game, and appears as a boss
(This is a fic since there is no confirmation that this is canon, but has a point towards a very likely intention from the developers and is not impossible to actually be
there are 4 mainline protags in the fight against Stephen on the Diamond Realm, 3 of them defeated YHVH at some point with a help that included Lucifer, as: Aleph had him there directly, following my line from above Demifiend was by his side too and Nanashi had a form of Satan that was literally composed off of Lucifer. The only one of them who doesn't have a Lucifer feat is SMT1's protag but fortunately that doesn't take off what i point out above.And by that I mean that... well, as the 3 Lucifers have a logic to be one as strong as the other and all of them cannot defeat YHVH alone, needing the help of at least one guy, either strong af as Aleph who had him, an ally and at least 3 others, a mid one like Demifiend or a bunch of tremendously weaker humans and demons such as what happens in IV-A.
TLDR: Not unlogical to imagine [Angelical Lucifer > Ugly Lucifer = SMTIII TDE's Final Boss Lucifer = SMT V's before winning > SMT V's Final Boss > Nahobino]
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This is... a ******* absolute hot take. You already said it was but man stay out of the kitchen
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Any Megami Tensei fan born after 1996 can't engage with games as an art form. All they know is powerscaling, wank they Demi-Fiend, be bisexual, give hot takes, and lie.
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I think we can all agree that Yu is the strongest protagonist via killing a god with guitar solo
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Not just that, but the God of bonds! That's the most Persona God faced! /j
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I can't prefer that my preferred protagonist would have won lmao
Not powerscaling, I would just like that the guy from the other art I like won against the guy from that art i like and they both used Satan because that's my favorite character in all art forms of that team of artists lol
I told you where I was going and you followed me, my oven will stay on
Anyway, my line for Lucifer doesn't suck ass. Cool
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Get gogmagog and beat him up as stress relief
