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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Bro, how was Goku suppose to know that Beerus was going to go to Earth? All he wanted was to fight him, Beerus went to Earth after knocking out Goku because he thought that the other Saiyans would know about a Super Saiyan God.

Plus, Goku ended up saving the Earth after Beerus was about to destroy it by producing a Super Saiyan God and giving Beerus a satisfying enough fight to make him spare Earth.
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Don't you think that Kaio sama's warnings were not enough?
 
Alexander said:
1. He let Vegeta go, knowing that the guy could be a great danger, even Krillin told him that he is a great danger, even so Goku considered that he could defeat him later.
2. He gave energy to Freeza, which allowed him to return as a Freeza wick and if it weren't for Trunks, everyone would go to shit (not to literal hell)
3. everything that was the final part of his fight with Cell, yes, he stopped Cell from destroying the earth, but he was also the one who gave him a seed from the hermit and sent Gohan to fight, even though, for What did he do? To let his son fight Cell and recover to his full potential???
4. Majin Buu, he could have defeated him, even if he had a time limit, he had ENOUGH time to defeat him, but no, he passed the responsability to goten and trunks...and we know how that ended up at the end.
5. the final part, Moro merged with the earth
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Goku letting Vegeta go ending up paying off. They don't survive Namek without him. So you are listing a situation where Goku is right, and even then, Vegeta was no threat at that point.

Goku thought he killed Frieza. When he sensed him on Earth he was going to IT to Earth to kill them but he felt Trunks' energy.

Gohan failing to lock in is his fault. Goku was right that only Gohan could stop Cell and save the world. Giving Cell the senzu made Cell confident enough to push Gohan to snapping, ensuring he unlocked SSJ2.

Goku wanted the next generation to be able to defend the world as after seeing how strong SSJ2 Gohan was he was focused on finding a successor. Gotenks and mostly Gohan failed to lock in. Goku probably wasn't right to trust them, or not to kill Buu right away (given how tough Buu is to put down and how casual he was against SSJ3 Goku, there was a chance he used up all his time before being able to finish the job, screwing the planet).

This isn't Goku really being reckless as it is too trusting.

Same thing with Moro. Except Goku was straight up going to kill Moro until Moro revealed he could fuse with the planet. And guess what saved them, Uub. A result of Goku's actions against Buu.

Goku keeps showing mercy because he keeps making new friends who help save the world.

Your take aways are shit lol
 
Alexander said:
2. He gave energy to Freeza, which allowed him to return as a Freeza wick and if it weren't for Trunks, everyone would go to shit (not to literal hell)
3. everything that was the final part of his fight with Cell, yes, he stopped Cell from destroying the earth, but he was also the one who gave him a seed from the hermit and sent Gohan to fight, even though, for What did he do? To let his son fight Cell and recover to his full potential???
4. Majin Buu, he could have defeated him, even if he had a time limit, he had ENOUGH time to defeat him, but no, he passed the responsability to goten and trunks...and we know how that ended up at the end.
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Yes it was dumb to trust frieza, but he was trusting that freeza would reform, not saying, “who tf cares if he kills more people”. Also it was not gokus fault that Freiza came back, he didn’t know frieza was alive.
Goku literally was incapable of beating cell. Only a max Gohan could win, so obviously Gohan should get in the ring.
And as for Buu, passing the torch to goten and trunks was done in order to keep the earth safe after he’s gone.

Not one of these choices were made because he only cared about increasing his strength. He made judgement mistakes yes, but it’s not like he doesn’t care about lives.
 
StekFence said:
Yes it was dumb to trust frieza, but he was trusting that freeza would reform, not saying, “who tf cares if he kills more people”. Also it was not gokus fault that Freiza came back, he didn’t know frieza was alive.
Goku literally was incapable of beating cell. Only a max Gohan could win, so obviously Gohan should get in the ring.
And as for Buu, passing the torch to goten and trunks was done in order to keep the earth safe after he’s gone.

Not one of these choices were made because he only cared about increasing his strength. He made judgement mistakes yes, but it’s not like he doesn’t care about lives.
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Yeah this. Goku's made bad calls. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about life. Most of those bad calls were made because he cared too much about life. Sparing people when he shouldn't, etc.
 
I mean, all of that was because of trusting too much? Well, that's the problem, having a lot of trust.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Yeah this. Goku's made bad calls. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about life. Most of those bad calls were made because he cared too much about life. Sparing people when he shouldn't, etc.
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which is exactly the problem, Goku trusts TOO much, he obviously doesn't like innocent lives to be at risk, but his trust means that, well, innocent lives are at risk.
 
Alexander said:
I mean, all of that was because of trusting too much? Well, that's the problem, having a lot of trust.
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No one said it wasn't an issue, even though Goku gets vindicated as much as he is challenged on it.

It's the Goku is reckless with human lives thing that is ******* stupid
 
Alexander said:
which is exactly the problem, Goku trusts TOO much, he obviously doesn't like innocent lives to be at risk, but his trust means that, well, innocent lives are at risk.
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Yet that trust has also helped saved said innocent lives a shit ton of times lmfao

Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu, Uub, ******* Frieza helped saved the multiverse.

Moro is about Goku choosing to still try and redeem people even when he is told not to because of just how many allies he's made.

Goku thinks the best way to protect innocent lives is to make as many allies and purify them through good faith and mercy and compassion, and he's mostly ******* right.
 
Alexander said:
which is exactly the problem, Goku trusts TOO much, he obviously doesn't like innocent lives to be at risk, but his trust means that, well, innocent lives are at risk.
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Sounds a lot like Sonic when it comes to him repeatedly sparring Eggman and giving him second chances, regardless of how many times he threatens Sonic's world. But I don't see you complaining about that.
 
Alexander said:
I mean, all of that was because of trusting too much? Well, that's the problem, having a lot of trust.
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Ins't the discussion about Goku risking innocent lifes and endagering the universe because he wants a good fight, and he excuses are 'we can use the dragon balls later to fix It gg', why bring this point now?
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Yet that trust has also helped saved said innocent lives a shit ton of times lmfao

Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu, Uub, ******* Frieza helped saved the multiverse.

Moro is about Goku choosing to still try and redeem people even when he is told not to because of just how many allies he's made.

Goku thinks the best way to protect innocent lives is to make as many allies and purify them through good faith and mercy and compassion, and he's mostly ******* right.
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Yes, but even so, that risk still exists, besides I don't think it was necessary to bring Frieza there, bringing Goten or Trunks, or both, would be better than bringing Frieza.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Ins't the discussion about Goku risking innocent lifes and endagering the universe because he wants a good fight, and he excuses are 'we can use the dragon balls later to fix It gg', why bring this point now?
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Because Goku's issue/'poison' is more about trusting too much rather than being aloof and only caring about fighting.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Sounds a lot like Sonic when it comes to him repeatedly sparring Eggman and giving him second chances, regardless of how many times he threatens Sonic's world. But I don't see you complaining about that.
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Sonic always defeats Eggman, Eggman always gets punished, and Eggman always comes back, he literraly got sent to a place where time does not exists, and he IS BACK.
that just makes Eggman more formidable that makes Sonic more reckless.
 
Alexander said:
Yes, but even so, that risk still exists, besides I don't think it was necessary to bring Frieza there, bringing Goten or Trunks, or both, would be better than bringing Frieza.
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Risk always exists. Shitty argument.

Also Frieza is way stronger than Goten and Trunks and proved to be reliable. This is a stupid take
 
Alexander said:
Sonic always defeats Eggman, Eggman always gets punished, and Eggman always comes back, he literraly got sent to a place where time does not exists, and he IS BACK.
that just makes Eggman more formidable that makes Sonic more reckless.
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Same with Goku lmfao.

You are being as reductive with Goku and as lenient as Sonic as possible.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Risk always exists. Shitty argument.

Also Frieza is way stronger than Goten and Trunks and proved to be reliable. This is a stupid take
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The risk always exists, but if you know about the risk, what you would like to do is minimize the risk if possible.

Well, remove Krillin or Tien, because those two, in all honesty, don't know what they're doing there.
 
Alexander said:
Sonic always defeats Eggman, Eggman always gets punished, and Eggman always comes back, he literraly got sent to a place where time does not exists, and he IS BACK.
that just makes Eggman more formidable that makes Sonic more reckless.
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Did my comment fly over your head that much? I'm not talking about how formidable Eggman is. My point is that, like Goku, Sonic can also be too trusting and offer dangerous people like Eggman lots of chances despite everything he's done to Sonic, his friends, and their world.

It's hypocritical that you're criticizing Goku for being too trusting, but not Sonic.
 
Alexander said:
The risk always exists, but if you know about the risk, what you would like to do is minimize the risk if possible.

Well, remove Krillin or Tien, because those two, in all honesty, don't know what they're doing there.
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You mean how Goku is always taking fights away from populated areas? Seems very risky averse to me.
 
StekFence said:
What I’m getting at is more that vegeta could just go kill some other planets that Goku doesn’t live on, and he can’t really stop him
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I mean Piccolo could've gone out and started causing shit, but he didn't. Goku is being too trusting here, yeah, but it pays off and Goku has reason to think the way he does.
 
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