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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

JJSliderman said:
I guess the problem is just that being a higher dimensional space isn’t enough, the space also has to be infinite size, I remember that was a sticking point in the tier 1 Sonic upgrade I did.
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Infinite size? I thought it had to have significant size?
 
Alexander said:
That is the equivalent of saying that a character who has chakra will have resistance to soul manipulation, because the chakra combines physical and spiritual energy, even though it does not give you resistance to soul manipulation.
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No, but characters with enough strenght can overpower soul sucking abilities such as the reaper death seal and Human path soul-sucking justsu (ie KCM Mode Naruto and Orochimaru). Shown in Naruto, can you imagine an Otsutuski not overpowering Nagato's soul stuff? no, so there you have the answer.
 
Johner2133451

Thread 'Dragon Ball characters resistant to soul damage?'

Since it's shown that every character that dies, keeps their power as the same in the afterlife like Raditz was able to fight King Yemma in the afterlife or when Frieza and Cell able to beat up guards unlike other souls (And then Goku was shown consistently above those who are weaker than him in the physical world) . Also Frieza still keeps his original golden power even after death during the tournament of power

So should DB characters have resists to soul damage as their soul is as strong as their physical body?
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Mr. Alexander, do you need anything?
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"Before reaching the final line, however, he had already understood that he would never leave that room, for it was foreseen that the city of mirrors (or mirages) would be wiped out by the wind and exiled from the memory of men at the precise moment when Aureliano Babilonia would finish deciphering the parchments, and that everything written on them was unrepeatable since time immemorial and forever more, because races condemned to one hundred years of solitude did not have a second opportunity on earth"
 
Alexander said:
why?
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Ultima_Reality

Thread 'DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating'

Hi all.

So, by pure chance, I found that we have a profile for Majin Buu from the Toei Continuity. More importantly I also noticed we now finally use this feat:

Low Multiverse level Environmental Destruction with Outside Space (Warps space and rips through the wall between dimensions, which would have eventually resulted in a multitude of alternate dimensions flowing into the universe and crushing it)
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I took a peek at the thread where that was added, and from what I can tell (Here, here, here, here and...
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Huesito88 said:
Ultima_Reality

Thread 'DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating'

Hi all.

So, by pure chance, I found that we have a profile for Majin Buu from the Toei Continuity. More importantly I also noticed we now finally use this feat:

Low Multiverse level Environmental Destruction with Outside Space (Warps space and rips through the wall between dimensions, which would have eventually resulted in a multitude of alternate dimensions flowing into the universe and crushing it)
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I took a peek at the thread where that was added, and from what I can tell (Here, here, here, here and...
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i still think the environmental thing works better than just, outright scaling
 
Alexander said:
space time manipulation and Kid Buu is not stronger than Buuhan
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Alexander said:
"Before reaching the final line, however, he had already understood that he would never leave that room, for it was foreseen that the city of mirrors (or mirages) would be wiped out by the wind and exiled from the memory of men at the precise moment when Aureliano Babilonia would finish deciphering the parchments, and that everything written on them was unrepeatable since time immemorial and forever more, because races condemned to one hundred years of solitude did not have a second opportunity on earth"
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Where did you get this text from, Mr. Alexander?
 
Alexander said:
i still think the environmental thing works better than just, outright scaling
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No it does not, Buu's thing was done with his own Ki. He was breaking/affecting the dimensional walls of the universe on a 4-D level, you need like tier 2 energy output to do that regardless, becouse affecting it does count aswell. Thats AP, the people that say it doesn't scale to Buu's stats either do not know how Ki works or didnt watch Dragon Ball Z properly
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
No it does not, Buu's thing was done with his own Ki. He was breaking/affecting the dimensional walls of the universe on a 4-D level, you need like tier 2 energy output to do that regardless, becouse affecting it does count aswell. Thats AP, the people that say it doesn't scale to Buu's stats either do not know how Ki works or didnt watch Dragon Ball Z properly
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aha, and many other things are done with Ki and that does not automatically make it a direct scaling to power.
actually thats a very big insult because it would be arguing that at that point in the story, the characters were universal, when obviosly they were not
 
Alexander said:
actually thats a very big insult because it would be arguing that at that point in the story, the characters were universal, when obviosly they were not
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And how is that a "very big insult" exactly? Because it was stated verbatim that Buuhan was going to collapse the universe with his own power. And then they introduce Kid Buu, who in the anime continuity was stated by the narrator and characters like Goku to be the strongest version of Buu at that point, who has his own feats at that level like threatening to destroy the Grand Kaioshin Planet or destroying the Kaioshin Realm alongside Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

So whether you want to say it's some insult or not, there's clearly an intent to have those characters be that strong at the end of Z/Kai.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
And how is that a "very big insult" exactly? Because it was stated verbatim that Buuhan was going to collapse the universe with his own power. And then they introduce Kid Buu, who in the anime continuity was stated by the narrator and characters like Goku to be the strongest version of Buu at that point, who has his own feats at that level like threatening to destroy the Grand Kaioshin Planet or destroying the Kaioshin Realm alongside Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

So whether you want to say it's some insult or not, there's clearly an intent to have those characters be that strong at the end of Z/Kai.
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a very big insult to the story and logic?

Goku, needed VEGETO and that was a mandatory fusion to defeat Buuhan, and Goku fighting Buuhan is a tremendous inconsistency because Gohan in his ultimate phase>Goku super saiyan 3, and the argument that "Goku grew in power" does not work Because Goku did not train, Goku only revived, but reviving does not increase his power, he only does it when he obtains a zenkai, which is when he is on the verge of dying, and he was not on the verge of dying, he was directly dead.
and Kid Buu has not shown me anything to be the most powerful Buu beyond fighting against Super Saiyan 3, he has only proven to be the most dangerous because, that thing does not reason, it destroys things and that's it.
 
Alexander said:
aha, and many other things are done with Ki and that does not automatically make it a direct scaling to power.
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But that doesn’t matter. Vice Shout is explicitly a matter of power, and all that feat is—Named Outside Space—Is a massively amplified version of Vice Shout. As stated by the Daizenshuu.
Alexander said:
actually thats a very big insult because it would be arguing that at that point in the story, the characters were universal, when obviosly they were not
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Huh? How?
 
RedReaper616 said:
But that doesn’t matter. Vice Shout is explicitly a matter of power, and all that feat is—Named Outside Space—Is a massively amplified version of Vice Shout. As stated by the Daizenshuu.
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1. In fact it does matter, because again, just because it is an ability made by ki does not mean that it is something as related to power, it would be like shunkanido, it is not related to speed, or the mafuuba, or the time stop ability from guldo.
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Huh? How?
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I don't know, somehow Goku in Super Saiyan 3 is more powerful than HIS SON, who was said to have surpassed him in Power after unlocking his mystical state?
 
Alexander said:
Goku, needed VEGETO and that was a mandatory fusion to defeat Buuhan, and Goku fighting Buuhan is a tremendous inconsistency
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Except it gets supported multiple times.
Alexander said:
because Gohan in his ultimate phase>Goku super saiyan 3,
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Goku then fought and matched a perfect copy of him in just Base-SSJ, while nerfed to 1/100th of his true strength.
Alexander said:
and the argument that "Goku grew in power" does not work Because Goku did not train, Goku only revived, but reviving does not increase his power, he only does it when he obtains a zenkai, which is when he is on the verge of dying, and he was not on the verge of dying, he was directly dead.
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This is wrong. In the Toei Anime’s continuity it’s explicitly stated Saiyans get their Zenkai’s just from reviving too. Twice.
Alexander said:
and Kid Buu has not shown me anything to be the most powerful Buu beyond fighting against Super Saiyan 3, he has only proven to be the most dangerous because, that thing does not reason, it destroys things and that's it.
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In the Manga he is the most dangerous, but not the strongest. In the Anime, a separate continuity, they explicitly state Kid Buu is the most powerful Buu. Repeatedly. Goku, Vegeta, the Narrator—They’re all saying the same thing. Genuinely just is different.
 
Alexander said:
1. In fact it does matter, because again, just because it is an ability made by ki does not mean that it is something as related to power, it would be like shunkanido, it is not related to speed, or the mafuuba, or the time stop ability from guldo.
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That’s irrelevant to the point. Yes, that’s true, but it doesn’t matter because it explicitly is just Vice Shout but BIGGER. And Vice Shout explicitly is SOLELY a power thing.
Alexander said:
I don't know, somehow Goku in Super Saiyan 3 is more powerful than HIS SON, who was said to have surpassed him in Power after unlocking his mystical state?
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Ask Toei? They’re the ones who made him beat Ultimate Gohan without even using his max, and then fight a stronger Buu.
 
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