DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Detective_Blizzard]

Jack vs Kuma (Tekken vs One Piece): They like the matchup. They think the connections are now a bit rougher given Kuma had his backstory revealed. As for who wins, they think Jack should take the edge because of Tekken 8.

How powerful is one piece Kuma and what haxes he got?

His power can vary a fair bit but his best feat would put him at moon level by our standards, his main hax is his Paw Paw fruit which allows him to push anything he touches. This can be used to reflect and redirect attacks, BFR opponents, pseudo-teleport himself, create air blasts as attacks, with Kuma even being able to do more complex things like pushing all of the pain out of a target and then pushing it into another.

He also has his cyborg body, which gives him a few things like pain immunity, completely steel body, and most impressively his lasers which are exact copies of Kizaru's Glint Glint Fruit which create massive explosions and emit 28000ºC heat by our standards

Edit: OH YEAH, he also has armament haki which can negate A BUNCH of stuff and observation haki which gives him extra precognitive and sensory abilities

 

[BlackDarkness679]

His power can vary a fair bit but his best feat would put him at moon level by our standards

His profile puts him at island level only and an unknown rating, unless its outdated

his main hax is his Paw Paw fruit which allows him to push anything he touches. This can be used to reflect and redirect attacks

So attack reflection?

BFR opponents, pseudo-teleport himself, create air blasts as attacks, with Kuma even being able to do more complex things like pushing all of the pain out of a target and then pushing it into another.

First two seem good, air one is eh, the pain thing is irrelevant to a robot

He also has his cyborg body, which gives him a few things like pain immunity, completely steel body, and most impressively his lasers which are exact copies of Kizaru's Glint Glint Fruit which create massive explosions and emit 28000ºC heat by our standards

How hot is re-entry, when meteors basically catch fire

Edit: OH YEAH, he also has armament haki which can negate A BUNCH of stuff and observation haki which gives him extra precognitive and sensory abilities

Like?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

His profile puts him at island level only and an unknown rating, unless its outdated

Heavily outdated, most recent completed arc has him absolutely decking a top tier in the face who's so durable even G5 Luffy struggles

So attack reflection?

Part of it, yeah.

First two seem good, air one is eh, the pain thing is irrelevant to a robot

Should be noted, the air blasts explode, can act as shockwaves, can absolutely be spammed, and have a statement for being lightspeed (we don't use that)

How hot is re-entry, when meteors basically catch fire

up to 7,000°F to my knowledge

Like?

In terms of resistances, armament haki can resist....... well basically any ability in One Piece! It's the effectively the devil fruit counter due to how hax resistant it is. Kuma has shown to be skilled enough on a Intermediate Level by our standards.

We don't know his skill in observation haki, however even at the most basic levels it would allow him to sense life energy, read minds, predict future actions, amplify reactions, and enhance the senses with better awareness, hearing, and vision for kilometers in distance with them seeing auras, souls, through walls, emotions, all in a omnidirectional manner

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Heavily outdated, most recent completed arc has him absolutely decking a top tier in the face who's so durable even G5 Luffy struggles

Jack 8 should still scale above him, given he is a high tier and needed two other high tiers to put him down, let alone Jack 7 was already a high tier himself

Part of it, yeah.

Can he do the same to non physical stuff? Cuz "reflects anything" is nlf

Should be noted, the air blasts explode, can act as shockwaves, can be absolutely be spammed, and have a statement for being lightspeed (we don't use that)

could prove useful then

up to 7,000°F to my knowledge

ok so it was higher, could be problematic

In terms of resistances, armament haki can resist....... well basically any ability in One Piece! It's the effectively the devil fruit counter due to how hax resistant it is. Kuma has shown to be skilled enough on a Intermediate Level by our standards.

sounds nlf a bit

We don't know his skill in observation haki, however even at the most basic levels it would allow him to sense life energy, read minds, predict future actions, amplify reactions, and enhance the senses with better awareness, hearing, and vision for kilometers in distance with them seeing auras, souls, through walls, emotions, all in a omnidirectional manner

Aha

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Damn, poor dude who submitted Flowey vs The Princess.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Damn, poor dude who submitted Flowey vs The Princess.

Undertale character unironically losses.

But also I kinda see the connection

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Undertale character unironically losses.

But also I kinda see the connection

The real reason they rejected it.

Although I know nothing about Slay the Princess, so can I ask for an elaboration if that's alright?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The real reason they rejected it.

Although I know nothing about Slay the Princess, so can I ask for an elaboration if that's alright?

I don't much about it either, but here's her profile.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Princess_(Slay_the_Princess)

 

[Darkmon_cns]

The real reason they rejected it.

Although I know nothing about Slay the Princess, so can I ask for an elaboration if that's alright?

Princess is change itself. She's probably getting upgraded to 1-A in the future too. She's also whatever she's perceived to be if not fully awaken, tho sense it's deathbattle she'd eventually fully awaken

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Undertale character unironically losses.

But also I kinda see the connection

Princess is change itself. She's probably getting upgraded to 1-A in the future too. She's also whatever she's perceived to be if not fully awaken, tho sense it's deathbattle she'd eventually fully awaken

Yeah the Princess would fit in quite well in SCP tbh (theme wise). An initially simple, unassuming premise but eventually gets lovecraftian crazy at the end with a side of madness.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Jack 8 should still scale above him, given he is a high tier and needed two other high tiers to put him down, let alone Jack 7 was already a high tier himself

How is he a higher tier? Even with current profiles Kuma is out scaling him and with updated stuff I don't think Tekken has anything on the moon level stuff, and even with multi-conti stuff One Piece from what I can tell is still vastly above it

Can he do the same to non physical stuff? Cuz "reflects anything" is nlf

I mean anything, people, attacks, objects, ghosts, abstract concepts like pain/fatigue/illness, even memories! More intangible or unusual things like air or abstract concepts are put into bubbles

sounds nlf a bit

Not really, it doesn't resist everything in fiction but in One Piece it's outright considered the god-tier ability. The King of Pirates, Gol Roger, conquered the seas with nothing but his haki and it's shown time and time again that it can resist devil fruits. Some fruits require more force and energy to resist based on context, EX: Blocking magma with comparable heat to the light attacks? Not much of an issue! Reverting a biological virus that swaps your gender? Gonna take some effort...

But regardless, it's an absurdly long list of resistances and the wiki also considered Haki an ability with multiple layers

 

[Deidalius]

Bill vs Yukari is a stupid matchup. Also, completely unrelated but I hope Bill Cipher dies a horrible death.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

oh yeah, might as well give my 2 cents to one of the random fights here.

Twice vs D is not a good fight at all. Even ignoring the fact that Twice stomps D literal billions of times over, they don't have much actual connections between each other

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Bill vs Yukari is a stupid matchup. Also, completely unrelated but I hope Bill Cipher dies a horrible death.

Waitt is that fu vs discord???? Yesss

 

[BlackDarkness679]

How is he a higher tier? Even with current profiles Kuma is out scaling him and with updated stuff I don't think Tekken has anything on the moon level stuff, and even with multi-conti stuff One Piece from what I can tell is still vastly above it

King struggled with a Jack 7, a character that fought the likes of Paul, Jin and Steve, latter matching Hwoarang, Jin rival and one of the few characters roughly equal to him

Jack 8 is well above that generation, also profiles are outdated in stats and scaling in regards to many of the cast, as for the "I dont think Tekken has anything on the moon level stuff" is outright dumb especially with Tekken 8, they have tier 5 lore and Devil Jin feat unlike the site claims has at minimum a moon level feat in his ending, let alone higher stuff thats gonna take a going over, so no

I mean anything, people, attacks, objects, ghosts, abstract concepts like pain/fatigue/illness, even memories! More intangible or unusual things like air or abstract concepts are put into bubbles

Ok, i seriously doubt they actually consider these abstract or concepts, let alone anyone excepts this

Not really, it doesn't resist everything in fiction but in One Piece it's outright considered the god-tier ability. The King of Pirates, Gol Roger, conquered the seas with nothing but his haki and it's shown time and time again that it can resist devil fruits. Some fruits require more force and energy to resist based on context, EX: Blocking magma with comparable heat to the light attacks? Not much of an issue! Reverting a biological virus that swaps your gender? Gonna take some effort...

Then you know any ability not in one piece will not be resisted so we are clear on that

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Also, completely unrelated but I hope Bill Cipher dies a horrible death.

Watch Gravity Falls then, lol

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Watch Gravity Falls then, lol

You are asking the wrong person, let alone thats wishful thinking

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

"I dont think Tekken has anything on the moon level stuff" is outright dumb especially with Tekken 8, they have tier 5 lore and Devil Jin feat unlike the site claims has at minimum a moon level feat in his ending, let alone higher stuff thats gonna take a going over, so no

Hey mate, I don't know Tekken like that. Ain't saying anything on your end is stupid just because you aren't aware of everything in One Piece

Ok, i seriously doubt they actually consider these abstract or concepts, let alone anyone excepts this

Why wouldn't it? Things like pain, illness, fatigue, or memories aren't physical things that exist (not in the way Kuma repels them), he doesn't heal people in order to remove pain and fatigue he just literally pushes it out of them into a bubble which stores it. Hell we even have thoughts listed as an abstract type of existence since those aren't physical things.

I'm not saying he's going to be clashing with Arceus or something lol

Then you know any ability not in one piece will not be resisted so we are clear on that

Ok............ and? There are over 100 different paramecias and logias, that's still a very long list with many of them having multiple ability types that work as hax

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

You are asking the wrong person, let alone thats wishful thinking

Don't worry, I know to who i am asking

 

[Darkmon_cns]

About the princess Is she's so blatantly an abstract concept that not even death battle could get around it.

 

[Imaginym]

This makes me wonder if they know Kermit's feats?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

This makes me wonder if they know Kermit's feats?

With Devil Artemis they gotta be aware

 

[Imaginym]

With Devil Artemis tuey gotta be aware

Devil Artemis knows Muppets?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Devil Artemis knows Muppets?

Kermit is part of his Cell skits

 

[BlackDarkness679]

In other news btw

 

[Theuser789]

Wow, they barely showed her in the animation.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

My reaction to when Sage inevitably dies in this episode:

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

About the princess Is she's so blatantly an abstract concept that not even death battle could get around it.

Agreed. I'm not sure who Death Battle could reasonably pick to go up against the Shifting Mound. Once you get to that level of eldritch, cosmic absurdity the matchups quickly become few and (imo) uninteresting.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

In other news btw

Death Battle right now:

 

[Deidalius]

Watch Gravity Falls then, lol

He got sealed, not killed. His "death" wasn't horrible enough.

You are asking the wrong person, let alone thats wishful thinking

I already watched Gravity falls as a kid. I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Imaginym]

My reaction to when Sage inevitably dies in this episode:

IDK, who can actually get past her Intangibility?

It's something like regular ghosts, cyberspace ghosts, & Sage is more intangible than those, so she's like, on a 3rd layer of intangibility?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

He got sealed, not killed. His "death" wasn't horrible enough.

He didn't got sealed, he was killed and then needed to go talk to the Axolotl to be resurrected

If you wish to see how much he suffered on his death you can read this

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I do find it funny that Bill's original punishment was a GER Death Loop, which ended up not being a worse enough fate so he was re-trialed for therapy

 

[Deidalius]

He didn't got sealed, he was killed and then needed to go talk to the Axolotl to be resurrected

If you wish to see how much he suffered on his death you can read this

I see, that's what the spin offs and books say, correct? I admit I only watched the show as a kid, just by it, people were saying he was temporarily defeated and would return in the future, that he wasn't dead dead, just sealed, petrified, etc.

 

[JJSliderman]

IDK, who can actually get past her Intangibility?

It's something like regular ghosts, cyberspace ghosts, & Sage is more intangible than those, so she's like, on a 3rd layer of intangibility?

I haven’t actually seen reasoning for Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, so rn it’s just Sage being relative to them

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I see, that's what the spin offs and books say, correct? I admit I only watched the show as a kid, just by it, people were saying he was temporarily defeated and would return in the future, that he wasn't dead dead, just sealed, petrified, etc.

He's had a few different fates, before the book therapy as I mentioned he suffered a GER Death Loop where he had to play out the entire series over and over in a box set

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I see, that's what the spin offs and books say, correct? I admit I only watched the show as a kid, just by it, people were saying he was temporarily defeated and would return in the future, that he wasn't dead dead, just sealed, petrified, etc.

Yeah, according to The Book of Bill he actually died, got "ressurected" by the Axolotl and then sent to the Theraprism

As mentioned above by Blizzard, the original fate destined to him was a time loop

 

[Deidalius]

I see, cool, I must say that I wished Bill should have a horrible death out of being a Bill hater. Not for any deep reasons in particular.

 

[Imaginym]

I haven’t actually seen reasoning for Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, so rn it’s just Sage being relative to them

Coulda' sworn there was something on the topic a few pages back.
If that's the case, it's only 2 layers, no?

Boos can phase through walls & other stuff, IIRC, even when not using their Intangibility, & other characters can harm Boos, so that's 1 layer.
When they do go "invisible", most things other than Superguards (In TTYD.) & the Star Beam can't affect them, so that's a 2nd layer.
Same for Magikoopa-granted Intangibility, IIRC, as shown by Duplighosts (Which copy other physical attributes, like being electric or explosive.) copying Lady Bow & then being turned Intangible by a Gray Magikoopa being able to be made tangible again via the Star Beam.

Star Rod MIGHT be able to undo it, but the Star Beam is done by the Star Spirits who created/oversaw the Star Rod, & the Star Rod has an anti-feat of being unable to hit Mario & Lady Bow when Bow uses Outta Sight.
This limitation could be Game Mechanics, though; The only instances of breaking Intangibility, other than the Star Beam, which has plot-related reasons for removing buffs, are all player-favoring, in a game that heavily favors the player. (Like player's side always getting the 1st turn, for example.)

& Repel Gel offers the same Intangibility that the Star Rod, which can grant wishes & grant Bowser Invulnerability the Star Beam can't negate until it's upgraded to the Peach Beam.
(Though, it can negate base Bowser's Star Rod Invulnerability; It's after she uses the power up machine arena thingy that the Invulnerability becomes too much for the Star Beam to negate.)
So it could just be devs wanted player-favoring Invulnerable Intangibility, & game mechanics were made in service to that, & the Star Rod SHOULD be able to Negate 2-layer Intangibility, since it can grant Invulnerability that can't be negated by something that CAN Negate 2-layer Intangibility.

Plus, the Star Rod's wave attack is able to negate every other buff, IIRC, like Charged Status, Petrification (Maybe?), Cloud Nine & Water Block, so it's a little weird this wish-granting thing would only be stopped by an "Invisible"/Intangible status, when its creators (The Star Spirits.) can get around that. (Against Bowser's Star Rod without his power-up machine, anyway.)

I'm unsure. What do you all think?

 

[Tipper17]