Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Guacamolefletcher]

Bring that scan and show us where:
1) PB compression has a limit that only Choso reached
2) PB speed is only dependent on compression

1. It’s just stated directly Choso can use convergence to its limit
2. What the f*ck else is it dependent on? The reason PB is fast is you got a liquid shooting out in high pressures. It’s inspired by IRL water jets which reach supersonic speeds.

Choso can compress to the limit, so he shoots out max speed PBs.

Piercing blood isn’t a speed amp technique, it’s a compressing and releasing a liquid technique, which happens to also be faster than anyone in the verse except Gojo and Sukuna

 

[YukaSama4]

1. It’s just stated directly Choso can use convergence to its limit
2. What the f*ck else is it dependent on? The reason PB is fast is you got a liquid shooting out in high pressures. It’s inspired by IRL water jets which reach supersonic speeds.

Choso can compress to the limit, so he shoots out max speed PBs

Can you bring that scan and prove this from the scan

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

1. It’s just stated directly Choso can use convergence to its limit
2. What the f*ck else is it dependent on? The reason PB is fast is you got a liquid shooting out in high pressures. It’s inspired by IRL water jets which reach supersonic speeds.

Choso can compress to the limit, so he shoots out max speed PBs

Being the scans where Choso reached the limits despite Fanbook Gege wrote states PB can get faster.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Being the scans where Choso reached the limits despite Fanbook Gege wrote states PB can get faster.

That never happened in the fanbook

 

[Arkenis]

This thread always has speed debates in it, is anyone working on a crt for their issues with the speed scaling for how we scale the speed? Talking about it here doesn't really do anything and its always the same points being argued, all of it should be saved for a crt instead honestly.

 

[Nierre]

im pretty sure milly said he'd eventually make a speed crt following that black flash one

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That never happened in the fanbook

At this point you are trolling. You don't even send scans to prove your headcanons.

Here is the Fanbook statement

BLOOD MANIPULATION (赤血操術 - sekketsu sōjutsu)
The Kamo clan’s inherited technique of manipulating blood.

A technique that allows the user to manipulate and attack with blood reinforced with cursed energy. It’s possible to create a myriad of moves by combining techniques from Blood Manipulation, like Piercing Blood, which takes the blood that was compressed using Convergence, and then launches it at the opponent at supersonic speeds.

— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.

 

[YukaSama4]

What I don't ******* get is why Sukuna can no longer use the 10S
Gojo only destroyed Agito and Mahoraga, Sukuna should still be able to use rabbit escape and PW
Also what happened to the totality feature

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What I don't ******* get is why Sukuna can no longer use the 10S
Gojo only destroyed Agito and Mahoraga, Sukuna should still be able to use rabbit escape and PW
Also what happened to the totality feature

He can only use one CT at a time beside there is no need for TS against jujutsu high he don't have to worry about limitless like technique blocking his attacks

 

[YukaSama4]

Btw what are your thoughts for next chapter

I highly doubt anything that high for Yuji
Mahito did a bf in a shibuya and was stated to be awakened, he didn't do anything impressive except like mimic Gojo's domain

So Yuji might just get better stats and better blood manip due to better CE manipulation

Also he might hit more bfs and we might witness a scene where he and Sukuna bf each other at the same time like DB scenes

He can only use one CT at a time beside there is no need for TS against jujutsu high he don't have to worry about limitless like technique blocking his attacks

Jujutsu high are assuming he can't use it anymore, which us really weird

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

• Hakari still considered JJK0 Gojo unbeatable despite only last meeting him one year later, and he’s stronger than Sendai Yuta at his peak

This thread is full of bad takes ngl

 

[YukaSama4]

This thread always has speed debates in it, is anyone working on a crt for their issues with the speed scaling for how we scale the speed? Talking about it here doesn't really do anything and its always the same points being argued, all of it should be saved for a crt instead honestly.

Btw do you think current Sukuna should scale above mach 3 Naoya?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

At this point you are trolling. You don't even send scans to prove your headcanons.

Here is the Fanbook statement

Holy no-shit moment

Obviously more pressure = faster, but Choso reached the limit of compression. He can’t go any faster

Btw do you think current Sukuna should scale above mach 3 Naoya?

He might not even

 

[Arkenis]

Btw do you think current Sukuna should scale above mach 3 Naoya?

No.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

At this point you are trolling. You don't even send scans to prove your headcanons.

Here is the Fanbook statement

I read this as facebook statement ig im officially gone crazy

 

[Rosa]

You don’t get it, do you

Piercing blood reaches a max limit of compression, to which you can’t go any further.

Choso has already reached that max limit, and his piercing blood isn’t drastically supersonic. It can be somewhat reacted to by subsonic characters. Sukuna uses the same technique which is functionally indentical and uses it to attack Satoru

we've literally had actual Japanese translators look over the statement here and say it's NOT saying this, alongside there being contextual evidence in the series which makes this impossible. We've had this debate and you had no counter, stop doing this thing where you have no way to justify your arguments so you just wait a day or two to bring them back up again from premise 1 to restart the entire debate without engaging with the counter arguments which stunted you last time. We've had this discussion, we know where it goes, we know your position is unfounded and contradictory, and you know this too.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

BM depends on the user's reinforcement and overall adeptness, and it's Sukuna replicating PB

Choso's PB shouldn't have any implications for Sukuna and Gojo's speed, especially since the former blitzes and has consistently dodged or blocked it while weakened and the latter recited a whole chant while PW was a meter away from hitting Red

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

BM depends on the user's reinforcement and overall adeptness, and it's Sukuna replicating PB

Choso's PB shouldn't have any implications for Sukuna and Gojo's speed, especially since the former blitzes and has consistently dodged or blocked it while weakened and the latter recited a whole chant while PW was a meter away from hitting Red

Sukuna reacting doesn’t mean it’s not still relevant to Gojo, somehow. Gojo can’t be Mhs and have PB be worthy of using against him

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

So what? It's Sukuna's attack. Not Choso's. There's an inconceivable difference in reinforcement. Choso's PB shouldn't even be considered here, especially when it gets low-diffed by a weakened Sukuna

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

we've literally had actual Japanese translators look over the statement here and say it's NOT saying this, alongside there being contextual evidence in the series which makes this impossible. We've had this debate and you had no counter, stop doing this thing where you have no way to justify your arguments so you just wait a day or two to bring them back up again from premise 1 to restart the entire debate without engaging with the counter arguments which stunted you last time. We've had this discussion, we know where it goes, we know your position is unfounded and contradictory, and you know this too.

What are you talking about? The statement that Choso can use convergence to its peak is translated correctly

So what? It's Sukuna's attack. Not Choso's. There's an inconceivable difference in reinforcement

The speed of the pb is dependent on the convergence effectiveness, and Choso can use it to its limits

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Btw what are your thoughts for next chapter

I highly doubt anything that high for Yuji
Mahito did a bf in a shibuya and was stated to be awakened, he didn't do anything impressive except like mimic Gojo's domain

So Yuji might just get better stats and better blood manip due to better CE manipulation

Also he might hit more bfs and we might witness a scene where he and Sukuna bf each other at the same time like DB scenes

POV change to Uraume & Hakari unless Gege is planning on finishing off their long lasting fight offscreen

Anyway I think either one of these will be Yuji's Powerup.

• Full transformation for Yuji
• Domain Expansion
• Full transformation and domain expansion

Jujutsu high are assuming he can't use it anymore, which us really weird

Higuruma was not sure most likely Only Gojo knows about Totality and other things?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Also Choso has been honing convergence for 150 years. There's 0 chance there's much more room to grow from there.

 

[Arkenis]

— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.

What panel does this refer to in the fanbook?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Btw what are your thoughts for next chapter

I highly doubt anything that high for Yuji
Mahito did a bf in a shibuya and was stated to be awakened, he didn't do anything impressive except like mimic Gojo's domain

So Yuji might just get better stats and better blood manip due to better CE manipulation

Also he might hit more bfs and we might witness a scene where he and Sukuna bf each other at the same time like DB scenes

real question here:

Do ya'll think Sukuna's nerfs are more or less than a Black Flash amp? Because I'd say a X^2.5 amp is probably canonically more than what Sukuna's nerfed RN. I'd say that a black flash from current Sukuna > 20 Finger Meguna's punches

What panel does this refer to in the fanbook?

Doesn't even matter because we know it from Choso. He didn't use convergence to its limit, he didn't release a PB as fast and as lethal. PB is highly correlated to that, but Choso can use convergence to its limit

 

[Giannysmag]

Ok now let’s consider what is constant between now and JJK0:

• Hakari still considered JJK0 Gojo unbeatable despite only last meeting him one year later, and he’s stronger than Sendai Yuta at his peak
• He still has all the same titles, and his reputation wasn’t built in a year, so he should still be the fastest sorcerer alive and faster than Naobito. This means JJK0 Gojo is at least supersonic via being faster than Naobito

So we get to a Gojo that tiers basically the same as the current Gojo, and barely any difference anyways. So why take it as this, then? Knowing JJK0 Gojo is supersonic, we can know he’d still be relevant vs Sukuna and knowing Maki caps at Toji level, he’d be an insane asset vs Current Sukuna

JJK0 Gojo being the strongest doesn't debunk him getting stronger afterwards. Post RCT Teen Gojo was already the strongest yet he still clearly grew a lot more

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What panel does this refer to in the fanbook?

This is the raws.

↑「百飲」の加圧が 大きいほど、その反 せんけつ 動で「穿血」の速さ と貫通力も上昇する。

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

This is the raws.

This doesn't mean Choso can't use it to its peak

 

[Giannysmag]

It does because we know from Sukuna that supersonic speeds are relevant to Satoru in the Shinjuku Showdown, given he uses supersonic (Mach 1-5 speeds) to attack Satoru there

And Gojo dodges/outspeeds it any time it's used, even when he is locked in the 2v1 with Maho and Agito and Sukuna while heavily nerfed/supressed blitzes Choso's PS. Trying to limit the god tiers speed with PS is so dumb

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

And Gojo dodges/outspeeds it any time it's used, even when he is locked in the 2v1 with Maho and Agito and Sukuna while heavily nerfed/supressed blitzes Choso's PS. Trying to limit the god tiers speed with PS is so dumb

I never said he's slower than it, but what matters is he's not that super super far away. Gojo isn't MHS+ or MHS

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This doesn't mean Choso can't use it to its peak

His limit. The limit to his reinforcement

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This doesn't mean Choso can't use it to its peak

If you want to prove your point send that headcanon scans where Choso reached its peak and can't go any further from that speed.

 

[Giannysmag]

I never said he's slower than it, but what matters is he's not that super super far away. Gojo isn't MHS+ or MHS

Idk man blitzing an attack while nerfed and not going all out seems like a pretty good reason to be considered super faster than that attack

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Send that headcanon scans where Choso reached its peak and can't go any further from that speed.

His limit. The limit to his reinforcement

Never stated
Blood cells get f*cked up if you put them under too much pressure

 

[Giannysmag]

Never stated
Blood cells get f*cked up if you put them under too much pressure

Good thing Sukuna doesn't use blood for his attack

 

[M3X_2.0]

Good thing Sukuna doesn't use blood for his attack

He doesn't because he's WEAK. If he was strong he'd be using it.

 

[Giannysmag]

He doesn't because he's WEAK. If he was strong he'd be using it.

Choso > Meguna is so real

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Never stated
Blood cells get f*cked up if you put them under too much pressure

Great still don't see Choso reached his limits

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Good thing Sukuna doesn't use blood for his attack

Translation is wrong and that statement is taken out of context.

 

[Arkenis]

This is the raws.

Figured it was the top one. It's referring to an example that shows us that very speed and power increase.

— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.

This is not a general statement to say PB can be increased beyond the stated super sonic speeds told to us. Also when PB's sonic booms are calced, they are always just barely above the speed of sound, aka supersonic speeds.

To go "well Sukuna has better reinforcement so he can amp it way higher" is extrapolating based off how reinforcement works. The thing is, the reinforcement is for amping the power of piercing blood, the technique is normally used with human blood, all Blood Manipulation techs reinforce the blood with cursed energy.

Even the idea that only Sukuna has gotten to the point of compressing/condensing and reinforcing to the point he can reach hhs or mhs ignores the fact that Choso has honed his cursed tech for 150 years, to say he honed that for that long yet Pb is faster, and then on top of the fact that out of the 1000 years of the Kamo clan existing no one else could reach higher reinforcement only further makes this argument more absurd.

 

[Rosa]

• The translation doesn't say there's a universal limit or a stagnant limit to piercing blood
• It shows Kamo as an instance of someone being able to use PB to its limit, and yet Kamo stated Choso is able to pressurise it further than he is, therefore at the very least each user of PB isn't bound by the same limit
• Choso can draw PB out "to its limit" and yet accepted calcs have shows his piercing blood is faster later on in Shibuya, showing the limit isn't stagnant
• Piercing Blood, in both the fanbook and manga, is stated to be able to made faster with it's limit being determined by the CE output and physical convergence - two things which can be strengthened, suggesting PB CAN'T have a stagnated limit as per the verses power system

Stop repeating this same debate with these same debunked talking points of your headcanons, just accept you're wrong gracefully