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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Giannysmag said:
I have come to the realisation that my enjoyment of the series flactuates based on how much Yuji is focused on. My favourite parts of the series Post-Shibuya are
  • The Yuji Extermination Arc
  • Yuji Vs Higuruma
  • Yuji Vs Meguna
And in the current arc I instantly become 10x more hyped any time Yuji reenters the fight
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Honestly Higuruma should have gotten a match with Kenjaku. I wanted to see Kenjaku using IQ to bail out.
 
Gojo is saying his personal belief when he talked about temperature and humidity, however While talking about the speed thing he said this definition doesn't make any sense to me because if that's the case I should be landing it at will any time I want
After that he started to theorise more conditions
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I am not to sure of that, since both kamo and zenin clan's aren't all that great without their main clan CT like at all. Maki was able to full on oblitirate the full clan without trying while a foot into the grave and not fully awakened and I hope its not too much of a take to say Kenny>that Maki.
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Maki obliterated that clan who didn't have Naobito left, though. And neither was the 10S user there, obviously taken away and all that. Then there's Naobito being old too, which I think is fair to say that a hypothetical Naobito who isn't burdened by age affecting his body > that old Naobito.
Besides, like you said, it could be that he didn't have a strong enough body to begin with.


Sir_sun_man said:
I honestly think that kenjaku may have simply not had a good enough body to do any of close to what he is able of doing in Geto's (who himself is pretty damn tough) and by the time a 10S user was available and he had a strong body that 10S user was under gojo's care so taking that risk was just not in the cards.
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10S users aren't that rare unlike six eyes with limitless ct.
And idk about good body here. Kashimo thought Kenjaku from 400 years ago was worthy enough to be challenged. So there's that.
But ignoring that, I don't think Kenjaku is even > Toji to begin with, who can annihilate Zenin clan by himself. I'd even say he's below Toji.
But again, Mahoraga is like, pretty strong in verse.
Sir_sun_man said:
and my point stands that we do not have enough info about previouse kenny bodies and their strength levels and maho not being important to kenny past prison realm.
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Six eyes victim, who are just randoms. And there's one where Kashimo thought of fighting him, but Kenny didn't want the fight, which might imply that Old Kashimo > Kenny, so take it as you will.
Uh, I don't think you understand as to how versatile the 10S is. Many of the shikigamis have such usefulness, especially the one that can use rct, and the one that can adapt. All of them have their own uses, and all of them can be further boosted and strengthened. Furthermore, Totality. That can create a really strong shikigami, like Agito.

And then there's the fact that 10S Domain can allow you to spawn summon Shikigamis... IMAGINE several Mahoragas. How busted would that be? Or a totality with Mahoraga even, or a Shikigami with all abilities from all the Shikigamis. Way too busted. So it ain't just Mahoraga, who's the six eyes/Gojo clan canon OPP.
He needed Prison realm because that is the solution he found. I guarantee you that the 10S is also a extremely valid solution too, in for Kenny to achieve his plans.


Sir_sun_man said:
about 3 that we know of including gojo, but I mean there aren't that many six eyes users in the first place, we know of about like 5-6, two which kenny got his ass handed to by, one that he killed as a child, gojo, the one that died to maho who could be one of the two that beat kenny and the OG 6 eyes user some 1000 years ago.
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Untamed Maho > Random strong limitless + six eyes user > Random six eyes users.

Sir_sun_man said:
we know of but a single interaction between the two and we don't know when exactly the whole clan conflict began for all we know it could've been exactly at the point of the 10S and 6 eyes user's death, we know that there haven't been many 6 eyes users since (if any) and we don't know if previouse 6 eyes users have come up against maho before.
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Sure. I got a scale above tho.


Sir_sun_man said:
If you do an exorist ritual with help it becomes null and void per this pannel:
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so we don't know if Maho has been beaten before with the help of multiple people, we just know that not one of the 10S users prior to sukuna has been able to 1v1 Maho and live afterwards.
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If you check what I said, Megumi says that not a single 10S user has been ever able to exorcise Mahoraga. The option to team up in order to exorcise Mahoraga isn't excluded like you think it is. Megumi doesn't even make an exception there. Straight up no 10S user has ever succeeded, even with few possibly trying to team up.
Sir_sun_man said:
again we have no clue what bodies kenny had before hand we even see him outright saying that the body he had when he made the deal with kashimo was not suited for Combat and was asking kashimo to spare him while kashimo was on deaths door so I actually doubt that the previouse bodies kenny had where anywhere near Geto's or had CT's anywhere close to that level of bullshit like geto nor where their stats up to par and past the point of kenny getting Geto the one and only 10S users was not only under Gojo but later had becomes stuck in the crosshairs of sukuna and kenny was not messing with that shit what so ever
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He didn't say it wasn't suitable for combat though? Here's what he said in chapter 187.
Kenjaku in response to Kashimo lamenting that he should have asked back then to challenge Kenjaku: "Spare me. I'm not in the mood to fight right now." Kenjaku back then was preparing for the culling games, forming binding vows with others, cursed spirits and the like. He was also wanting to make binding vows (deals) with Kashimo too. And ik the other 10S user was in Gojo's care. But I'm not talking about modern era where gojo existed. I'm talking about hundreds of years back.
 
Early Translations for chapter 256 had Gojo implying Black Flash becomes more difficult/luck based when using his ct. (Blue)
tcbscans saying the same thing.
gojo low-key has the best shot at landing BF compared to anybody else if he doesn't use his ct.
Gojo's CT Black Flash >>>>>> any Black Flash in verse.
 
YukaSama4 said:
Sukuna was sent flying by red, Gojo hit him with blue+bf punch and we can see Sukuna standing in that place
Blue + bf = red?

Edit: nvm blue isn't meant to send you away anyways, it pulls u towards the punch
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Huh. Sukuna wasn't sent flying away from his BF maybe because of blue.. 🤔 That's a good point.

Btw has anybody ever wondered as to why everybody else has an indication, a focus on their fist with CE, that they'll land a BF? Like moments before a BF happens, a flare of CE coats around their fist? Practically everybody else has had that moment, for their fists. Only Gojo doesn't for some reason. His fist doesn't show any flare of CE around it, a moment before one lands BF. Is it because of blue "sucking in" his CE? Or something else?
If it is blue then that's weird, because it is his own CE, used alongside his CT. It isn't supposed to suck in things from gojo anyways. But idk. thoughts?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
None so far
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there is one
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1165608005425967178/1226149326955483206/2024-04-06_153923.png?ex=6623b78c&is=6611428c&hm=16153aa54847ea6a758fea99013aac4b74f7b34713d42a9ce310b70d03ce903d&

kenny not only swapped between curse manip to anti gravity, he also used the reversal of it without any handsigns or movements.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
there is one
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kenny not only swapped between curse manip to anti gravity, he also used the reversal of it without any handsigns or movements.
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Which feat are you talking? Can you share the scans. I thought anti gravity doesn't have a hand signs
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I am pretty sure most CT's have hand signs and chants, its just most good sorceres don't use em most of the time and the feat is right in that scan, kenny used the reversal of anti gravity without a single movement
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Idk is it my internet or the site is crashing. Your scan loaded just now 😭
 
I don't have enough battery to check but here Kenny didnt make any movement but against Yuta he made, which means he can ignore it when needee, but Yuta is strong so the instantaneous activation wouldnt have been enough to repel him
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
But if Gojo had said it was due to pure speed and that’s why he couldn’t do it willingly, you’d use it without a second thought and push it as fact because it confirms your biases.

The double standards is crazy.
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No? If the narrator did then yeah. And if someone argued the same thing I am, I would consider it, unlike you guys.
 
Arkenis said:
No? If the narrator did then yeah. And if someone argued the same thing I am, I would consider it, unlike you guys.
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There’s really no reason for Gojo’s word to be contested here. This isn’t like Gojo vs Sukuna, there’s a clear answer here and he knows not only his own capabilities, but the intricacies of Black Flash.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
There’s really no reason for Gojo’s word to be contested here. This isn’t like Gojo vs Sukuna, there’s a clear answer here and he knows not only his own capabilities, but the intricacies of Black Flash.
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If he knew the intricacies then it wouldn't have been "personally", it would've been stated as fact. He also then goes again and says "I personally think there's a connection with temperature and humidity. The point is there's no correct answer as to how to unleash a black flash". You do understand this is essentially two different interpretations on BF right?

You all just ran with it as fact when it's being stated as his opinion. And I'm just saying hey maybe don't take it as fact, it can help support but to use it as a means to argue against the verse's heavily implied speed narrative is just wrong. That's it.
 


No wonder the flashback dialogue was so weird. Talked about physical body structure, CT danger, and then to skill. Weird mix up. But it turns out the entire point was ABOUT skill, and how the body relates to it.
Otherwise Miguel would have smoked Sukuna in an instant (if he was another 20F mf in stats) and the battle would end right there.

Image from a friend of mine.
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Arkenis said:
He also then goes again and says "I personally think there's a connection with temperature and humidity.
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Yeah the guy who can manipulate space, fks around with space, says that based on the spatial distortion Black Flash creates. but now we think somebody saying "Personally speaking" means the credibility of the statement is up to not being a fact now huh?
can you tell me why todo, mahito, etc can sense a incoming black flash.
If not, then here's a explanation from somebody who's I translated into English (some words will be weird but dw about it) as to how this is quite similar to something else.

>>> IS THERE A WAY TO PREDICT A “BLACK GLOW”?! 👊🏻💥

An interesting statement that Satoru puts forward with his theory about the conditions for launching a “Black Flare”, is that, in addition to involving the sorcerer and an advanced cursed energy manipulation technique…

The recipe for a “Black Glow” to occur may take into account “air humidity” and “temperature”.

Did you know that Satoru's theory really makes sense?

Since Chapter 50, with Aoi Todou having a premonition about Yuuji being able to perform a “Black Flare”. In Chapter 132, where Mahito has a premonition that Yuuji, under those conditions, would be able to use, and now, in Chapter 256.

In all these “moments” the opponents, or people who experienced the “Black Glow”, sensed the precipitation of a “Black Glow”.

Satoru comments that he believes it also has to do with air humidity and temperature, and this also makes sense with our reality.

Moments before lightning forms, ionization of the air can occur, where a difference in electrical potential will be generated between the cloud and the surface of the earth. Sustainable by humidity and also temperature.

This difference where the surface can be charged with a positive charge during a precipitation, will cause an imbalance of charges that will manifest itself when hairs stand on end, or sparks are produced when fingers collide.

And in this case, whoever has experienced a “Black Flare”, or can experience it, will be feeling this same difference in the opponent's cursed energy, and thus, will predict the anticipation of a “Black Flare”.
No wonder why gojo thought humidity and temperature has something to do with BF.
 
Rosa said:
I've always maintained that BF was a skill issue, not a speed issue, and it's constantly implied as such in the series
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Our reasoning was always the most reasonable and best based on the evidence we were given up to that point, and it’s not like you seek that type of interpretation very often

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
That's a odd thing to say. It's just a "remove this rule because of new evidence pls ty". Doesn't really matter who does it. why u picking at him?
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Nah I’m just playing
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Otherwise Miguel would have smoked Sukuna in an instant (if he was another 20F mf in stats) and the battle would end right there
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No? All he would need to have is Gojo level speed, and based on what we see him do, it’s not too farfetched

The stuff about it being skill makes absolutely no sense when Gojo is talking about how their bodies are advantageous and how that relates to physical stats. He’s making a racist statement saying “these people have crazy physiques and builds, so add CE and the result is crazy” and relating that to Miguel
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
don’t get hyped up, this is coming from this guy:
He thinks Yuji is 16x piercing blood speed in Shibuya:


He thinks it’s valid to say Yuji is subrel here:


He thinks cursed spirit Naoya = Mach 35.2


Gojo at least mhs+ likely ftl


todo is just a “normal grade 1 sorcerer” for having a “53k IQ” and it’s likely Gojo has more than a 53k IQ because of it

He hasn’t been known to provide reasonable interpretations when it comes to speed OR AP OR translations OR anything that would radically upscale the verse
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This you bro?
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Guacamolefletcher said:
No? All he would need to have is Gojo level speed, and based on what we see him do, it’s not too farfetched

The stuff about it being skill makes absolutely no sense when Gojo is talking about how their bodies are advantageous and how that relates to physical stats. He’s making a racist statement saying “these people have crazy physiques and builds, so add CE and the result is crazy” and relating that to Miguel
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You don't get it. If it was about them being equal in strength and speed and dura, then Miguel would smoke Sukuna in one shot lmao. But obviously he isn't. And that's also not what the raws say, which Lightning the best translator in JJK community explains. Reread man.
 
Giannysmag said:
The complete switch up is still very funny
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My “switch up” is exaggerated because I never agree with half of his positions. Like we debated for a long time Naobito vs Ogi and he maintained for a long time that Ogi should be = Naobito and > Naoya

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
then Miguel would smoke Sukuna in one shot lmao
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Prove that
0 cursed technique Gojo has no AP feats aside from being Miguel level, and we don’t know how much Sukuna is being nerfed. It could be like not that much in terms of speed, and the gap between Gojo, Sukuna, and everyone else could’ve just not been that big in terms of stats but rather only in overall Jujutsu
 
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