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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Goku has shown breathing in the vacuum of space several times, even when he was a child, and in the Zamasu arc, he was able to breathe in a void without oxygen or anything like that.
 
RedReaper said:
Yeah, they're explicitly using Infinite Frontier Superman, which means Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis (Pre-Flashpoint), New 52 (Post-Flashpoint), and Rebirth all combined into one character/Canon Composite of all eras of normal/main Superman.

Edit: It also wouldn't really matter if they did pick and choose feats, because Supermen of different eras have thrown hands with each other, making them for all intents and purposes pretty much relative and able to be cross scaled. Golden Age Superman and SIlver Age (as in different periods of Pre-Crisis) duked it out and were relative, then later a stronger Golden Age Superman fought Post Crisis Clark and they were relative too. I also remember New 52 fought Rebirth and they were even, and Rebirth was Pre-52 + New 52 continuity wise. So they're all roughly comparable. And Infinite Frontier is canonically all of those canons put together, meaning regardless he gets at least ONE instance of where he scales to wacky comic BS.
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Is it the same author or are they all at least involved and supportive? We can't just disregard the fact that Superman's different versions have different writers whom have different opinions and interpretations and portrayals of the character, just cause of such a basic reason as it's implied or narratively canon. That makes no sense and feels cheap af. They also say in the teaser that they're taking each character at their best, so we'll see how that turns out.

I don't find that enough reasoning to say they're all relative. But at the end of the day I'm not gonna argue about this sort of topic to be honest, for the simple reason that Superman is one of the most inconsistently written characters I've ever seen in all my life as far as powerscaling goes (or even just character writing in general, actually? Lol). His power(s) fluctuate wildly depending on what the author wants. Superman easily varies between some building supersonic fodder to a multiversal unbeatable god for no reason, and I don't just mean "different versions", even the same authors and within the same sets of issues, Superman's powers are absolutely incoherent and a complete mess, it's hard to work with which is why I legit just never talk about him in debates. Frankly I'd go as far as saying that it's a bad joke when someone tries to accurately scale Superman in a general sense. The character is a joke from a powerscaling perspective. Even Yujiro Hanma seems consistent by that standard. We might as well give him one profile, with an image for all of his variations, and just say "Varies" with all of the tiers in the tiering system afterwards.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Same can be said for most high tier characters in Marvel/DC comics, it's a complete mess lol
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It's in regards mostly to how much the character has shown up/how popular they are. Any big name heroes or villains will be in that boat. But characters that very rarely show up might have more consistency. That's the general issue with Marvel and DC comics scaling. There are so many different writers writing at so many different points in time over decades of work that jumbling it together in a coherent way just doesn't work a lot of the time.
 
RinneItachi said:
Is it the same author or are they all at least involved and supportive? We can't just disregard the fact that Superman's different versions have different writers whom have different opinions and interpretations and portrayals of the character, just cause of such a basic reason as it's implied or narratively canon. That makes no sense and feels cheap af. They also say in the teaser that they're taking each character at their best, so we'll see how that turns out.
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The way it works, unironically, is that the Infinite Frontier is the fusion of all of those continuities. From the original 40’s comics to the stuff that was released not even a year ago, it’s all together, regardless of author. This includes Superman, who as a being is the sum of literally every story he was in. Literally a canon composite variation of himself.
RinneItachi said:
I don't find that enough reasoning to say they're all relative. But at the end of the day I'm not gonna argue about this sort of topic to be honest, for the simple reason that Superman is one of the most inconsistently written characters I've ever seen in all my life as far as powerscaling goes (or even just character writing in general, actually? Lol).
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Fair, but considering how often it occurs I’d argue it means their speed and strength are at least relative—Their abilities might vary/may not be comparable hax wise since they’re almost never used in these conflicts against other Supermen. Presumably because they’d be useless.
RinneItachi said:
His power(s) fluctuate wildly depending on what the author wants. Superman easily varies between some building supersonic fodder to a multiversal unbeatable god for no reason, and I don't just mean "different versions", even the same authors and within the same sets of issues, Superman's powers are absolutely incoherent and a complete mess, it's hard to work with which is why I legit just never talk about him in debates. Frankly I'd go as far as saying that it's a bad joke when someone tries to accurately scale Superman in a general sense. The character is a joke from a powerscaling perspective. Even Yujiro Hanma seems consistent by that standard. We might as well give him one profile, with an image for all of his variations, and just say "Varies" with all of the tiers in the tiering system afterwards.
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See I said that too. Why do all the era and cosmology shifting when that’s clearly NOT how DC works? Just put varies on there and be done with it.
 
The feeling of pure rage and hatred towards Gotenks I had will never be replicated again

"They're just kids" don't care
 
At this moment, even if it is good or bad. It will be an addition to the franchise in some way.

For example, without the GT, we wouldn't have the SSJ4, and consequently, we wouldn't have Gohan, Bardock, fussoes sjj4 in DBH, and we wouldn't even have it for use in games like Xenoverse.

At this moment I look at DB more from a franchise perspective than "a manga with a story"

Seriously, I'm playing SDBH World Mission and I'm loving having guys like Dark Broly SSJ4 or Vegito SSJ4 on my team.

When I played Dokkan, I loved having lots of super cool cards with those incredible animations.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Buu Saga is my litmus test for whether a person has reading comprehension
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
Nah, Buu Saga slaps and I'm dying on this hill. All I hear are the same old recycled criticisms that don't hold up under any sort of narrative scrutiny. I know it's flaws better than anyone, and I rarely hear them, just 'thing bad because I said it is'.
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I don't care

You just sound so goofy saying "this is my litmus test"

Just let it go dawg
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Nah, Buu Saga slaps and I'm dying on this hill. All I hear are the same old recycled criticisms that don't hold up under any sort of narrative scrutiny. I know it's flaws better than anyone, and I rarely hear them, just 'thing bad because I said it is'.
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...is that so? ok then, what are they?
 
Honestly I don't mind the Buu Saga, it's pretty good for what it is and I always viewed it as Toriyama trying to go back to the more whimsical and comedic side of early Dragon Ball, but I would still take the previous three arcs over the Buu Saga.

Now tbf? Instances like Vegeta's character development and his willingness to sacrifice himself for the sake of his loved ones, Super Saiyan 3, the friendship between Buu and Mr. Satan, and alongside the triumphant ending where Goku finally manages to put down and save the universe are all reasons why I can get invested into the Buu Saga. Yet i don't know why, but I just feel like there's some elements to the arc which take it down a little in comparison to the Saiyan Saga, Namek Saga, and the entirety of the Android Saga including Cell.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Off topic but the new godzilla movie going hard
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DUDE. I JUST CAME BACK FROM SEEING MINUS ONE AND IT IS AMAZING!

Okay caps aside I think Minus One might be shaping up to become one of the best Godzilla movies of the entire franchise and it's already in my top five favorite Godzilla movies. What did you think though?
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
That atomic breath is UNF*CKING BELIEVEABLE
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I know right!? And I think what was really insane was how they built it up when he's on land because you see his dorsal plates jut out more out of his back from built up of his energy, they start to glow a bright and ominous blue light, he reels his head back as the insides of his mouth glow the same light, and then....boom! A massive heat ray comes out and creates a nuclear sized explosion that eradicates entire sections of the city at once, leaving no life standing, and causing the sky to blacken from the ash which falls from the sky and the rain that pours down like the wrath of a destroyer!

I thought it was impossible dude, but I think Minus One might've surpassed Shin Godzilla as having one of the best iterations of the Atomic Breath...EVER.
 
While Godzilla himself wasn't interesting, I don't think he was meant to be, his atomic breath, roar, and movement was so menacing. I wouldn't say he had a presence of 2014 Godzilla, or that feeling of unstoppableness as KOTM Godzilla, but he felt like this ambling thing that abided by no logic or reason, it just wanted to destroy.

There was no animalistic intelligence it felt like, it was there, it was inevitable, and it couldn't be stopped.
 
ChronoULT said:
The angels and gods of destruction profiles are copypastes of each other, i guess i should make a request to delete some of them and keep only the most relevant ones
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thank god someone brought it up, most of them don't even have more than a couple of scenes or even a single fight even, makes revision for any of then tedious
 
ChronoULT said:
The angels and gods of destruction profiles are copypastes of each other, i guess i should make a request to delete some of them and keep only the most relevant ones
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Beerus, Champa are the only gods of destruction who can stay, the rest isn't even necessary

Vados, Whis, and Daishinkan, are the only angels who must stay, besides Merus
 
For the angels, only Grand Priest, Vados and Whis are relevant, and for the gods of destruction i think keeping Beerus, Champa, Belmod and those 3 from the exhibition match is fine

Deleting Bora, Great Lee and Napapa should be fine too since they are not that relevant and does not have many abilities
 
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