All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[MeiouHades]

Okay so, where did Ultima prove this? He made a hasty generalization by looking at a few sample cases, but that’s just flawed reasoning. How can he prove this conjecture holds true for the 4th and 5th dimensions as well. Must it always hold true for any nth and (n+1)th dimension? He should either prove the 5h dimensional case, or prove the general case and the apply it everywhere. He did neither.

Do this in a Linear Algebra class and you’ll get laughed at by the entire batch

 

[Hasty12345]

you tell em

 

[RinneItachi]

Weird crackpot moment that I just had
Considering you need tremendous physical strength, mental fortitude and stamina/vitality to survive the Chōshinsui, with mental fortitude [shōki] and stamina/vitality [genki] being core aspects of Ki and how to become stronger, can we grant anyone that has higher Ki than Kid Goku Resistance to Poison through sheer willpower?

Seems like a huge stretch for sure.

Besides, we don't know why the Ultra Divine Water would have killed Goku, the claim that it's a strong poison is literally an assumption that was never suggested as far as I recall, besides Yajirobe saying it because he tasted it on his finger and was hurt by it. Iirc there was only some flowery nonsense about purity and honor or whatever. Goku's poison resistance should be a "possibly" or "likely" tbh.

 

[RinneItachi]

Yep.







Is consistently referred to as "the world's champion in martial arts", "the strongest martial artist in the world", "the strongest fighter in the entire world", and "the world's greatest fighter", with techniques that are "certain-to-kill". Thanks to the Daizenshuu, Mr. Satan is loaded.

Wasn't it already common knowledge that Hercule was a bit of a beast among regular humans that didn't know of Ki?

What in particular is being argued about him atm? He's probably comparable to most of the fodder tournament goers in the 23rd Budokai, but inferior to any of the more noteable characters like Nam. He isn't even as strong as start of series Goku. Goku in the first chapter of the manga literally eats several handgun bullets and regards them as stinging, then proceeds to lift a whole ass car and throw it with moderate effort. Hercule was driven to the brink of death by a single handgun round and was practically pissing himself pulling a few busses on a chain, which is significantly easier than deadass lifting a whole car over your head.

Besides, considering all of the other superhuman characters that attended the tournaments in OG Dragon Ball, Hercule's titles clearly only apply to the generation of fighters that were around when he was champion, who weren't on the same level as the tournament fighters around when Goku and co. were still at that stage. Idk if humans in Dragon Ball just devolved or something but yeah nah the guys he was going up against weren't very incomparable to irl people from the looks of it. Hercule is superhuman by our standards but even by normal humans in Dragon Ball he ain't that crazy. Wall level with subsonic speed is his peak.

 

[Emerald]

Goku in the first chapter of the manga literally eats several handgun bullets and regards them as stinging, then proceeds to lift a whole ass car and throw it with moderate effort. Hercule was driven to the brink of death by a single handgun round and was practically pissing himself pulling a few busses on a chain, which is significantly easier than deadass lifting a whole car over your head.

One is LS the other is just guns being busted in fiction
Goku is stated to have a "body of steel" which allows him to tank bullets with ease. Whereas Satan is still considered a normal human

 

[MeiouHades]

you tell em

I hate it when people try to use axioms and results from math but discard it as soon as it becomes inconvenient. This is a recipe for disaster and now I’m not surprised that Tier 1 and 2 are the most f’ed up tiers on the site

 

[Hasty12345]

Goku is stated to have a "body of steel" which allows him to tank bullets with ease.

 

[RinneItachi]

One is LS the other is just guns being busted in fiction
Goku is stated to have a "body of steel" which allows him to tank bullets with ease. Whereas Satan is still considered a normal human

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[RinneItachi]

Show me the chapter where Hercule was outrunning a sprinting cheetah, crushing a boulder with a bear hug, lifting and throwing a car, throwing a huge piece of wood into the sky and then shattering it into perfect logs with a kick, blitzing and one-shotting a giant fish, tanking handgun rounds, carrying a sea turtle across 100 kilometers without any exhaustion while easily curb-stomping a house-sized monster thing with a giant sword, and tanking an attack that sends him through several stone pillars while weakened. In reality Hercuie's best feats are barely superhuman, have been done or even surpassed irl, and he was insta-killed by a regular bullet. He's like, bear level with some decent speed. Even if we include gag feats he's still inferior (disregarding Pilaf Saga Goku's own gag feats obv).

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Seems like a huge stretch for sure.

Besides, we don't know why the Ultra Divine Water would have killed Goku, the claim that it's a strong poison is literally an assumption that was never suggested as far as I recall, besides Yajirobe saying it because he tasted it on his finger and was hurt by it. Iirc there was only some flowery nonsense about purity and honor or whatever. Goku's poison resistance should be a "possibly" or "likely" tbh.

bro what? It was stated there was other humans who tried it and died

 

[Nullflowerblush]

He isn't even as strong as start of series Goku.

Eh.

Hercule was driven to the brink of death by a single handgun round

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Guns do be actin like dura neg when used against humans lol

 

[Nullflowerblush]

was practically pissing himself pulling a few busses on a chain

Anime-only.

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi. Hell, the Daizenshuu 7 and DRAGON BALL FOREVER consider Goku as only twice as strong as a normal human.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Anime-only.

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi. Hell, the Daizenshuu 7 and DRAGON BALL FOREVER consider Goku as only twice as strong as a normal human.

In fact, if I recall correctly, Roshi was only confident that he and Krillin could participate in the 21st after training.

 

[Emerald]

Seems like a huge stretch for sure.

Besides, we don't know why the Ultra Divine Water would have killed Goku, the claim that it's a strong poison is literally an assumption that was never suggested as far as I recall, besides Yajirobe saying it because he tasted it on his finger and was hurt by it. Iirc there was only some flowery nonsense about purity and honor or whatever. Goku's poison resistance should be a "possibly" or "likely" tbh.

It would've killed him it's cause it's poison. It has killed people before (around 15 master martial artists) and the Daizenshu also stated that the Chōshinsui can kill you if you don't have enough mental and physical strength

 

[Vizer04]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I hate it when people try to use axioms and results from math but discard it as soon as it becomes inconvenient. This is a recipe for disaster and now I’m not surprised that Tier 1 and 2 are the most f’ed up tiers on the site

Took the words right out of my mouth. I haven’t been active [or even lurked] on this site for as long as everyone else has, nor am I someone who generally thinks “dimensional tiering standards are too strict” (hence why I hate CSAP wiki’s system), but wow, the staff thread just goes to show how much of an unsalvageable mess tier 1 is.

Qawsedf thinks an infinite space containing a multiverse is only Low 1-C if space-time is described as explicitly infinitesimal, Ultima thinks such a space being infinite is enough for Low 1-C in and of itself… and DontTalkDT thinks such a space is pretty much never inherently Low 1-C, regardless of if it’s infinite, or the multiverse is infinite, or space-time is portrayed as visually insignificant…?

I don’t even know what constitutes proof of Low 1-C at this point . When exactly are “higher planes of existence beyond space-time” Low 1-C as opposed to above baseline 2-A? Why are some “infinite hyperspace’s outside time that encompass a multiverse” Low 1-C? At what point is a construct “outside time” to a degree significant enough to warrant an inaccessible gap? Man, my head is hurting…

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

Think just 8-C should be enough, with normal human scaling and all that

 

[Vizer04]

Think just 8-C should be enough, with normal human scaling and all that

You're right, i thought beginning Goku was 8-C+

 

[MeiouHades]

I don’t even know what constitutes proof of Low 1-C at this point .

I do. The answer is very simple. It’s when a staff member(s) likes that franchise.

When exactly are “higher planes of existence beyond space-time” Low 1-C as opposed to above baseline 2-A?

As I said above, when a staff member likes a certain franchise. That’s when it is Low 1-C

And if any staff member thinks I’m being unnecessary cynical I’ll be happy to debate this.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

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[Emerald]

Weird crackpot moment that I just had
Considering you need tremendous physical strength, mental fortitude and stamina/vitality to survive the Chōshinsui, with mental fortitude [shōki] and stamina/vitality [genki] being core aspects of Ki and how to become stronger, can we grant anyone that has higher Ki than Kid Goku Resistance to Poison through sheer willpower?

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

 

[MeiouHades]

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Don’t

 

[Omegabronic]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

well, he is still said to be the strongest martial artist among the normal human folk, so he should be superior to the likes of Nam and King Chappa

 

[Vizer04]

You know what, i'm fine with upgrading Satan. I just want to make a Kid Goku vs Satan match and see how it goes.

 

[Vizer04]

Actually, this upgrade would affect Videl as well since she's stronger than her father.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

I think this is pretty solid

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

Just like you can have equal Ki to somebody else and greater speed or durability, you can have greater Ki but lesser willpower.

Like, Yajirobe.

 

[Vizer04]

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi.

According to the manga, Roshi's disciples reached the "superhuman level" during the 3 years leading up to the 22° Budōkai.

 

[MeiouHades]

You people are still discussing this Tier 8 stuff? What is this, Naruto discussion?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Bruv basically saying **** early DB discussion.

 

[MeiouHades]

Bruv basically saying ***** early DB discussion.

yep

 

[Fezzih_007]

You people are still discussing this Tier 8 stuff? What is this, Naruto discussion?

I mean, i don't think theres other stuff to discuss.

 

[RedReaper616]

Question

Would Baba not being able to use her Future Seeing Powers on the Saiyans for the Saiyan Invasion grant Precog Resistance to Vegeta and Nappa? Or do we attribute this to another factor?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Question, if we treat pl scaling as ok to use, then wouldn't we know the gap between First form Frieza and Second form Frieza?

Since Namek Goku had a PL (power level) of 90k and said while recovering he would've been of help against Second Form Frieza with Kaioken x10 (which would give him a PL of 900k), then if we use pl's for his Kaioken amps, we can tell the gap between second and first form.

Goku would have a power level slightly higher than First form Frieza with Kaioken x6 (540k compared to Frieza's 530k) which would equal to Frieza's 4.89 Quettatons, base form would be 0.815 Quettatons and Kaioken x10 would be 8.15 Quettatons (which Second form would scale higher than). So second form would be a little less than 2x stronger than first form. Yeah Goku hasn't shown Kaioken x6, but if he can use Kaioken x10, then x6 should be easy for him to use. Technically Goku with a Kaioken x11 (990k) would still be slightly weaker than second form Frieza, but I won't go there since Goku still wouldn't be able to use anything higher than x10 at this time (the possibility is still there though).

Does this seem right or nah?

Still would like everyones thoughts on this.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Have you ever thought about whether it's Demigra who's going to turn Goku and Shin into children?

Guys, now there would be no way to deny that DBH is part of the DB multiverse, I would love to see the chaos that would cause here

 

[MeiouHades]

Have you ever thought about whether it's Demigra who's going to turn Goku and Shin into children?

Guys, now there would be no way to deny that DBH is part of the DB multiverse, I would love to see the chaos that would cause here

Demigra will get downgraded to 2-C instead

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Demigra will get downgraded to 2-C instead

I don't believe they would have the courage

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Akira Toriyama posted something about DBGT


Is it a remake??? This year promises

 

[MeiouHades]

I don't believe they would have the courage

This is VSB. Changes here aren’t made through courage or even reasoning, they’re made through bureaucracy and, if you’re planning upgrades, how much either moderators like that verse. I can still only think of some impolite words whenever I see Matthew Schroeder