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So, i guess Luffy is now the only member of the HST that has never hit Universal in this site?
If it makes ya feel better, Naruto only hit Low 2C because of a video game which logically means anything that happens in the game also occurs in the main series
 
I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.
This is on Kefla’s proflie: Universe level+ (When fighting vs Ultra Instinct Goku, a confident Super Saiyan 2 Kefla stated she could "blow away an entire universe in one shot", and Piccolo commented that her power had surpassed the level that Goku had previously reached when fighting Jiren. At her absolute maximum strength, it was stated that not even a more adept UI Goku would have been capable of surviving one of her blasts, although he was able to effortlessly dodge each of her attacks).
Goku in this key scale above the same Kefla, who already can one shot people that are above baseline, meaning he can also one shot Naruto who is also a bit above baseline.
I didn't say "a bit," I said quite a bit. SPSM KCM Hokage Naruto is way stronger than Base Hokage Naruto who's stronger than SPSM Naruto as a teen who's baseline, and can amp himself far more with the Kurama Avatar.
 
Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
 
Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
it is, see the naruto storm 4 key, that type of healing and stat amp is what i am restricting, the ones that are only possibles
 
Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
"Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality (Type 8; reliant on Hagoromo. Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health. When Naruto loses, Hagoromo states that Naruto isn't supposed to go to sleep yet, and can choose his own path and walk again, allowing him to change and choose his own fate)" read the profile before saying anything please
 
"Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality (Type 8; reliant on Hagoromo. Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health. When Naruto loses, Hagoromo states that Naruto isn't supposed to go to sleep yet, and can choose his own path and walk again, allowing him to change and choose his own fate)" read the profile before saying anything please
I did he also gets statistics amp from Kurama and healing from items
 
Anyway Goku is thousands of times baseline universal+ in base. He blinks the pineapple ugly ass fodder
1 this thread is over already and it is already added in the profiles
2 goku in this key is above baseline, but nowhere close a thousand times
 
I just wanted to say that even though Goku is far stronger, he tends to hold back a lot, making the AP advantage not very substantial. They'll probably treat it as a sparring match before eventually getting serious

Issue is any of Naruto's abilities can cripple Goku even when used for training, esp Rasenshuriken which deconstructs at a cellular level. If Goku tries to block it, he'll die and Naruto would have killed Goku by accident

voting Naruto
 
So this becomes a "who hits the other guy first." type of match.

Goku can now one shot Naruto just by breathing (because apparently this is how the Wiki treats 1 universe AP difference in Tier 2)
And Naruto can dura neg
 
Naruto can still win via two ways here even with the massive AP gap.
Rasenshuriken dura neg (attacks opponents at the cellular level)
Erasure and deconstruction via TSO
 
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