I plan to make Ymir and Starkadr profiles down the line, tho only Starkadr is stronger than Thor and Odin, not Ymir. Odin did have his brothers by his side in the Ymir fight, but ultimately it was Odin who landed the final blow and had to bear literally all of the chaos that gushed out of Ymir's body right in the face.
Yeah, if anything, Odin tried to brag about what it takes to control such a force of nature but ultimately he didn't care much about it in the first place.
What about a Faye page?
Yeah, she'd backscale from a drunken Thor and would scale to a seriously-out-of-shape-weakened Kratos. Just need to find proper high-res pics.
Thrud's kinda currently lacking feats, maybe once we research her more something might come out of it.
As the progenitor of the entire Norse Realm, it seems pretty clear he should be superior to his ancestors. We shouldn't fully use Odin's conversation with Atreus as proof of how hard the battle was for him. Odin is a liar and manipulator: he was still trying to goad and manipulate Atreus to trust him. He wanted to make what he did seem like the actions of a cocky young man who just acted in the moment, when it was actually a thought-out, sadistic plan to kill Ymir out of his sense of superiority. Why wouldn't he try to lie and make it sound to Atreus that he killed Ymir single-handed instead of the combiened effort from his brothers? It makes Odin look more powerful and impressive in the eyes of Atreus. It's better to use a less objective point based on the stories provided before by Mimir: Ymir was killed through a combined effort of Odin and his brothers.
She's visually stronger than Atreus so we could go from there. "At most 2-C".
Except Mimir himself confirms that Odin killed Ymir.
I wasn't saying that Odin didn't kill Ymir. Mimir confirms that Odin killed Ymir alongside his brothers, Vii and Ve, which is very important to consider. I was saying that Odin didn't kill Ymir easily, and he never explicitly said he killed Ymir himself.
Vili and Ve aren't ever mentioned though.
True, she easily wields these 2 swords that are so heavy Atreus couldn't lift one.
Not really, Villi and Ve are bystanders when Odin lands the final blow as the murals show. They're never mentioned again.
It took Odin a lot of effort, but no, he explicitly confirmed Atreus's notions of having landed the final blow on Ymir himself in the very cave where the rift was (Before Asgard was fully forged), Odin himself says that when he did it he was very young and foolish, indicating that he was a teen or a young adult when he did it. Ultimately, it wouldn't matter, because after gutting Ymir he was the only guy who took literally most of the cosmic flood that gushed out of Ymir's body face-first.
All I'm trying to say that it was a joint effort. The mural shows the Villi and Ve did indeed contribute to the battle. Again, I've never said Odin didn't kill Ymir or land the final blow. I'm just saying that Ymir's superior if it took all three to kill Ymir.
Doubt it, given that Odin literally face-tanked Ymir's Life-Essence flood head on that threatened to take out all of creation and would undeniably be just as powerful as if not more powerful than Odin himself, that and this was done by a young Odin who had not yet reached his prime even.
.....We have nothing about that fight beyond what Odin and Mimir confirm. Vili and Ve exist in the murals alone. Not even Atreus mentioned them when he saw it.
I meant in the Norse saga only, my bad.
I meant that, my bad lol.
We dunno tho how much effort It recquired, this Is like saying that some bosses fought against Kratos to It scales to him, It doesn't work like that.
Literally all of the struggling scenes are QTE and cutscenes so that goes right out of the window.
It forces Kratos and Freya in every single QTE. Not to mention it gnaws at the roots of the Yggdrasil without issue and her babies alone could devour the Nine Realms. So she is very much at that ballpark of power.
Still, I don't see why Thor would not be able to evade most of Nidhogg's attacks and pull out a W.
Not so different from what the drekis can visually do, but lore helps here since Atreus mocks drekis saying that they are Just mere drekis and that they've defeated valkyries.
Dreki are random fodder that can be fought off using the same QTEs. Nidhogg is a unique boss with unique QTEs. The two aren't comparable.
Mostly because Nidhogg was an unwanted casualty, he didn't want to fight her at all because she posed no threat to his livelihood, whereas he fought Thor and Sigrun because they threatened the Realms and needed to be brought down to bring balance.
Nidhogg Is no joke, but It might be my own perception that makes me hard to Imagine Thor losing, especially "mid diff".
Personally, I think it's close but Thor's fighting an ancient monster that can claw holes through reality that breach across planes of existence, wield Bifrost and gnaw through the roots of a higher-dimensional entity with her teeth. The same monster that had to be beaten with teamwork between the strongest Vanir goddess and a self-exiled god killer.
Tbh, I personally don’t see this as meaning much. I kinda still believe that ragnarok wasn’t really all that focused on thor or at least enough that you could say that he was really trying to fight him in any other way, and all thor did to beat jormangundr was bonk him (it was kinda lame how it happened in-game tbh) slightly and BFR him away. Not to mention jormangundr still had plenty of energy left in him to fight thor immediately afterwards according to freya in the 2018 game.
I said more because thor has the speed to dodge and maneuver around nidhogg’s attacks. He’s even arguably a little more agile than kratos tbh. Definitely not faster in raw speed due to scaling, but in his fights against kratos he can dash around and cross vast distances, and does it constantly too. Kratos just sidesteps and does dark souls dodge rolls for the most part, though I understand if it’s really seen more as gameplay. And yes kratos does have far more warrior instinct and enhanced senses than thor, but a lot of nidhogg’s attacks that she does are just straight up telegraphed. I don’t think you need much as crazy warrior instinct as kratos to get out the way of most, or at least some of them.
There’s a little glowing ball thing that appears where the tail is going to strike actually. I never noticed until literally just not, after watching it in a video. It’s hard to notice in the middle of the action but it’s there. Plus, thor can still just try to dodge it anyways if that’s not a good enough tell, because at least he can assume that when it does the tail thing, it’s going to come at him from some direction at his location, so all he needs to do is move away from where he currently is in. And if that doesn’t work, I don’t think it’ll just run him through because the space-time manip only applies mainly to it’s claws and teeth(?), no? Please correct me if I’m wrong. Though anyways, thor could then predict and learn how to dodge the attack again from the first time after it uses it on him, since it doesn’t majorly change up how it does the attack.
This is true, but gameplay is 90% of what we get from nidhogg as reference for how it fights, and for a good portion of her attacks, they’re telegraphed. Not even crazy telegraphed either like a Nintendo boss or something. Just telegraphed enough that thor should able to see a good amount of those attacks coming.
