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If Naruto will try to kill Goku and use his lethal techniques:

1) Again, Goku would sense that, he'd know Naruto is a threat and act accordingly. He may love a good battle, but he isn't stupid

2) If he sees that combined with thousands of clones charging at him, Goku would immediately use SSBKK20, especially when even one keeps up with Blue and just instantly blitz and one shot all the clones

But what I'm asking is that if Naruto goes for the kill immediately against random beings or not? Cause if he would, Goku won't treat him lightly
 
God dayum, I just made the profile last night and this looking. Anyways, I'll clear something up since some people are debating this.

Storm 4 Six Paths Naruto (Baseline Low 2-C) < Base Teen/Adult Naruto < Kurama Sage Mode < DLC Six Paths Naruto
 
He was literally countering Hit’s technique prior. It’s when Hit started to keep getting better and overwhelm Goku that he chose to use it.
it was when hit made his time skip longer and longer, to such a degree that goku could not counter anymore and was helpless, here it is just a guy trowing things at him, punching in a different way, sommoning frogs, i concede that he would try harder against someone like naruto tho

Why wouldn’t he assume Naruto’s dangerous? Goku would consider him a threat because of the fact that Naruto is actively trying to kill himX
not really? i mean, he would consider him a threat but not super dangerous per say, as he would have no idea that the projectiles or the different punch are fatal, he would know that naruto is trying to, but for all he knows naruto could just be trying to overwhelm him,

If he uses a dozen shadow clones I see no reason for Goku not to counter with Kaioken x whatever he needs to comfortably avoid all of them.
fair point, but things like the gentjusu wouldn't care much for this

You mean the instance where goku literally asked Hit himself to kill him? Yeah, that’s goku sparing with a person he actively knows. This is Naruto just trying to kill him so there’s no reason for Goku to treat Naruto with the same courtesy he treated his friend Hit when he personally asked him to attack his person.
fair enough

I never said as much?
then i am kind of confused about what is your point?

When someone starts throwing a dozen shadow clones or spamming out massive attacks is see no reason why he wouldn’t go blitz him with kaioken. Even a 2 or 3x Kaioken would be enough to blitz at that points
a two to three difference in speed is not enough for a blitz, we currently have no minimal value for blitz on the wiki

So what Rasenshurikens you’re citing Goku can simply counter with ki blasts.
naruto can nulify goku's ki blasts with the truth seeking orbs or just absorb them with his energy absortion, plus if naruto goes for the aoe ones then this will make then explode and hit goku anyway

And if Naruto decides to use his larger attacks goku can simply counter with activating Kaioken. I don’t see the issue here.
kaioken will not save him from the aoe of the attack that is thousand of kilometers long

yeah Goku’s pretty adept at dodging so I don’t see why he wouldn’t.
goku's main way of fighting is to go for hand to hand and trow blows with the opponent, in which naruto would land a frog strike in the middle of the punches

This doesn’t hinder my point. Rasenshuriken is more lethal than rasengan, Naruto knows this ergo he uses more lethal intent with the rasenshuriken than the rasengan. Goku can feel that lethal intent.
i don't see your point? he knows about the intent, but he wouldn't treat the rasen shuriken any differently than anyother projectile, he would either try to deflect(which would be game over) or attack with a ki blast

I’m asking how Naruto’s aoe would help him when Goku has similar if not larger aoe to Naruto with his own attacks.
because the aoe i showed was of the rasen shuriken, which ignores durability

Why do you think Goku wouldn’t bust out Kaioken the minute Naruto decides to try and press him with a dozen clones?
as i said before he would, but not the ones that would make him one shot, so when he starts to get the upperhand and outspeed naruto, he would logically transform to raise his speed and power with six paths sage mode and the kurama avatar, the latter that has the rasen shuriken aoe that i showed

Why not 4x or 5x or however many times Goku likes to be comfortable enough to always have an advantage over Naruto? You’re making Goku simply lower himself to a level Naruto can handle so Naruto can kill him when he could just make himself comfortable enough so that he can deal with Naruto easily.
because that is not how goku fights? when he sees that naruto is strong enough to content with him, he would want to see more, in which he would use the kaioken to be safe, as he can see naruto's intent, but he would likely use a lesser kaioken to see if naruto has more to show while also taking care

Even a Kaioken x3 would mean enough for him to blitz pretty sure too.
it doesn't a difference of 3 times is not enough for a blitz

He’s not gonna be playing around with a random guy trying to murder him. He’s gonna fight to win. Hit was someone Goku literally asked to fight and he considers a friend. Naruto is not and Goku doesn’t know Naruto. He’s just trying to kill him so Goku would respond accordingly.
he would be fighting to win, but he would also want to see what naruto can do, he would take care but he wouldn't want to end the fight immediately

Who even says Goku has to give Naruto the time of day? If he’s literally just gonna start trying to kill him out of the blue I don’t see a reason why Goku wouldn’t just immediately treat him as an enemy and take him down.
because that is not how goku is showed to fight, besides naruto wouldn't start with that, it would be hand to hand first, goku is showed to fight enemies in a way to test them and then if he sees that it is not worth it, he just goes for the finish, but naruto hitting a rasen shuriken of frog strike is more likely to happen first

You’re trying to act as if Goku would treat this as a slight spar when by all accounts Goku would just view Naruto as an enemy to be taken down. He would view him as a threat. I don’t see why he wouldn’t.
show me where has goku even had this mentality of "enemy=take down immediately" when said enemy is not known to him and has nothing to make him mad

Hit is his friend and someone he literally asked to fight him at his own accord. This is not the same.
good point

If it prolongs too long Goku would’ve simply used Kaioken to overpower Naruto. You don’t seem to understand that no matter what Naruto does goku will have a read on his energy
yes, but the likelyhood of goku using a kaioken enough to blitz is not too high, naruto using an "can be seen from space" large aoe rasen shuriken is more likely than goku just deciding to end the fight immediately

What do you mean “outside help?” Bugs and animals don’t classify as “help” when it’s literally just teleportation. And why wouldn’t he expect the blast to be large what? He can sense energy he knows how much energy would be compact in that attack.

the point is moot since goku needs it to be a person

He’s seen small attacks go big before, it’s nothing new.
he wouldn't be able to dodge tho, that it the point

You are by trying to say Goku can’t teleport anywhere else because somehow bugs are “outside help” lol.
any other beings are considered outside help as per the sba

And this doesn’t explain why Goku wouldn’t just teleport around Naruto to avoid the attack.
he can, but he would still be hit since the explossion is that big

1) Goku described it as sending Ki. All things have ki.
2) I told you King Kai’s place was the first thing that cane
no, goku described as sensing a person's ki, he specify that it needs to be a person

Ok valid.
ok

Yeah….nowhere does it show Naruto getting hit by his own attacks?
yes it does? see the clips again the explosion hit him

Goku in this key should scale above SSJ2 Kefla, who can one shot UIO2 Goku. And UIO2 Goku > UIO1 Goku > IZ which’s baseline Low 2-C. It means that SSB Goku Post UIO2 can one shot people that are fairly above baseline Low 2-C. If Naruto does not scale ridiculously above baseline Low 2-C He’ll get his ass handled by Goku.
this goku scales to ultra instinc sigh 1, the one that fought jiren the first time

1) Again, Goku would sense that, he'd know Naruto is a threat and act accordingly. He may love a good battle, but he isn't stupid

2) If he sees that combined with thousands of clones charging at him, Goku would immediately use SSBKK20, especially when even one keeps up with Blue and just instantly blitz and one shot all the clones
tbh the thousands part was just me talking about his limit is cloning, he ussually uses a couple or a dozen

But what I'm asking is that if Naruto goes for the kill immediately against random beings or not? Cause if he would, Goku won't treat him lightly
not immeadiatly, he goes for hand to hand first and clones, after that he may transform into six path sage kyubi mode and that is when he starts using rasen shuriken often and then the kurama avatar that is when he starts using the gigantic aoe rasen shuriken
 
show me where has goku even had this mentality of "enemy=take down immediately" when said enemy is not known to him and has nothing to make him mad
For example, he did it to Cell, and said to Cell he'd not hesitate to kill him if he could do it. He did it also to Kid Buu. He would've likely done it to Fat Buu as well if it weren't for him being dead. Goku immediately finished Frieza off when he was about to destroy the Earth again, and would've finished off Goku Black if it weren't for Black getting a zenkai
yes, but the likelyhood of goku using a kaioken enough to blitz is not too high, naruto using an "can be seen from space" large aoe rasen shuriken is more likely than goku just deciding to end the fight immediately
SSBKK20 makes Goku 20 times faster than Naruto. He'd definitely blitz. Goku is also no stranger to aoe attacks (Frieza's Supernova, his own Kamehameha, the Spirit Bomb, just to name a few), so Naruto's aoe blast wouldn't be much different

Goku would his full power if he'd feel Naruto's killing intent, and will definitely use the Kaioken too if he has too. Also, it's not like Goku can:

1) Simply teleport behind Naruto as he throws the attack, and 2) Counter it with his own move such as the Kamehameha. No reason why it wouldn't work
this goku scales to ultra instinc sigh 1, the one that fought jiren the first time
No he doesn't, by the time of the late ToP SSB Goku and Vegeta could fight Jiren who was showing a hint of his true power, something he didn't do even against UI Sign 1 Goku, they were inferior to him, yes, but he fact he even showed it at all makes SSB Goku at that point stronger than UI Sign 1 Goku
not immeadiatly, he goes for hand to hand first and clones, after that he may transform into six path sage kyubi mode and that is when he starts using rasen shuriken often and then the kurama avatar that is when he starts using the gigantic aoe rasen shuriken
Alright, though does he normally kill, or does he incap or ko them? Once again, Goku loves a good fight but he isn't stupid and if he sees that Naruto decides to kill him with his next moves, he'll treat Naruto as an enemy and will use the Kaioken if necessary
 
Not really knowledgeable in naruto, so I would better make a distance.
fair enough have a nice day

For example, he did it to Cell, and said to Cell he'd not hesitate to kill him if he could do it.
wasn't his in the fight with cell fighting with the mentality of letting gohan finish the job?

He did it also to Kid Buu.
tbf kid buu kinda gave him reason with the whole "killing all of my family and friends thing"

He would've likely done it to Fat Buu as well if it weren't for him being dead.
again buu was a threat that he was warned about and he had killed gohan from goku's perspective

Goku immediately finished Frieza off when he was about to destroy the Earth again
because he saw him doing it once, he knew what kind of threat freeza is

and would've finished off Goku Black if it weren't for Black getting a zenkai
which fight against black you are referring to?

SSBKK20 makes Goku 20 times faster than Naruto. He'd definitely blitz.
why would he go that far against someone who is not much stronger than him? he would use kaioken but why that far?

Goku is also no stranger to aoe attacks (Frieza's Supernova, his own Kamehameha, the Spirit Bomb, just to name a few), so Naruto's aoe blast wouldn't be much different
okay but how would he dodge it? also did he ever dealt with a aoe of thousands of kilometers?

Goku would his full power if he'd feel Naruto's killing intent, and will definitely use the Kaioken too if he has too.
when has goku ever shown to fight like this? if he knows that naruto is going to kill him he will be careful but where is he ever show to use full power immediately when threatened?
Also, it's not like Goku can:

1) Simply teleport behind Naruto as he throws the attack,
naruto would feel goku's harm intent and him and dodge or summon kurama's hand to protect himself and then get hit by the aoe

and 2) Counter it with his own move such as the Kamehameha. No reason why it wouldn't work
if he does that the rasen shuriken explodes and then he gets hit by the aoe of it

No he doesn't, by the time of the late ToP SSB Goku and Vegeta could fight Jiren who was showing a hint of his true power, something he didn't do even against UI Sign 1 Goku, they were inferior to him, yes, but he fact he even showed it at all makes SSB Goku at that point stronger than UI Sign 1 Goku
i meant scale as in upscale, forgot to put the up

Alright, though does he normally kill, or does he incap or ko them? Once again, Goku loves a good fight but he isn't stupid and if he sees that Naruto decides to kill him with his next moves, he'll treat Naruto as an enemy and will use the Kaioken if necessary
normally? he goes for the incap, if that is shown to not be effective he goes for the kill
 
which fight against black you are referring to?
The one where he revealed he killed Chi-Chi and Bulma
why would he go that far against someone who is not much stronger than him? he would use kaioken but why that far?
Even Kaioken times 2 would greatly shift the battle in Goku's favor, but Goku uses SSBKK10 and 20 a lot more
okay but how would he dodge it? also did he ever dealt with a aoe of thousands of kilometers?
Yes? Their attack reached space multiple times. That range is nothing that he isn't farmiliar with.
He'd dodge it by teleporting away and behind Naruto as the blast clears
when has goku ever shown to fight like this? if he knows that naruto is going to kill him he will be careful but where is he ever show to use full power immediately when threatened?
He did that several times in the show, for example, against Vegeta, then Frieza, then Cell, then Buu, then Beerus, then Frieza again, then Black
naruto would feel goku's harm intent and him and dodge or summon kurama's hand to protect himself and then get hit by the aoe
Can Naruto do that too? The ability isn't given because of verse equalization, it's because Goku has showed feats of doing that, so unless Naruto can sense killing intent too with just his chakra sensing then no it wouldn't be the case
if he does that the rasen shuriken explodes and then he gets hit by the aoe of it
That would be blocked by Goku's own blast. And was it shown that it explodes in such manner if that happens
normally? he goes for the incap, if that is shown to not be effective he goes for the kill
So he would probably not even use it immediately at all and they'll fight more calmly, but Goku will get serious if he senses Naturo wants to kill him
 
The one where he revealed he killed Chi-Chi and Bulma
ok, this is not the same situation then, since black actively made him mad in that situation

Even Kaioken times 2 would greatly shift the battle in Goku's favor,
not really by much, naruto can just activate the Kurama Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode that make him 2 times his normal power as he is comparable to fused momoshiki, and his base power is comparable to momoshiki and ishiki, with fused momoshiki being momo + ishi, and he has the kurama avatar to even the ods even more

but Goku uses SSBKK10 and 20 a lot more
because most of the time he is fighting beings who are strong enough to earn a times 20 or 10, here it is someone equal to him and at maximum 2 times with his transformations, he has no reason to overdo it by this much

Yes? Their attack reached space multiple times. That range is nothing that he isn't farmiliar with.
okay fair

He'd dodge it by teleporting away and behind Naruto as the blast clears
the blast would still hit him if he goes behind naruto

He did that several times in the show, for example, against Vegeta, then Frieza, then Cell, then Buu, then Beerus, then Frieza again, then Black
in most of them he fought for a while before going all out, and in the ones he didn't it was because of circuntance, like being an threat to the planet or having pissed him off by killing his loved ones etc

Can Naruto do that too? The ability isn't given because of verse equalization, it's because Goku has showed feats of doing that, so unless Naruto can sense killing intent too with just his chakra sensing then no it wouldn't be the case
he can feel harm intent yes

That would be blocked by Goku's own blast. And was it shown that it explodes in such manner if that happens
fair enough

So he would probably not even use it immediately at all and they'll fight more calmly,
yeah, i didn't mean to sound like he would use it immediately, just that he uses it in character, sorry for the confusion, he has other way to incap like sealing, paralisys or genjutsu just to note

but Goku will get serious if he senses Naturo wants to kill him
so would naruto tbh
 
Ok, since we’re in topic of fighting mentality, I think there’s something from Storm Revolution I need to address. Naruto 2v1’s multiple Kages in his base, despite knowing how strong they are. And even against Kyūbi Mode Naruto, even though it’s his friend, he incaps him in his base while knowing the threat he posses. It isn’t until he looks at Mecha-Kurama that he starts off the fight with Kurama Mode and goes for the win.
 
Normally yeah, but it doesn’t mean he won’t use his strongest form right off the bat to do it.
Sure, but that does mean he wouldn't use one of his lethal moves willy-nilly like that from what I understand

Not that Goku will just stand there and let him do it of course
 
Ki and chakra ain’t similar enough
That's not how it works. Verse equalization is always assumed to happen so that these battles will be possible, and this is what the rules says. Don't like it? Go make a crt to change how the rules work. I didn't make them
 
That's not how it works. Verse equalization is always assumed to happen so that these battles will be possible, and this is what the rules says. Don't like it? Go make a crt to change how the rules work. I didn't make them
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"Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses."
 
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"Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses."
both of them are similar tho
 
I just realized I haven’t commented who I think wins, how does Goku fair against Naruto’s RPL. And does Goku have a counter against Naruto TSBs?
 
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