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also just ad at the point about goku not going for the one tap even when pressed, when hit came to kill him, he didn't use kaioken even when he knew the oponent was trying to kill him, so it is not very likely that goku would use the stronger kaioken if he feels threatened
 
goku can feel intent? also he did not used kaioken not even when pressed to the extreme against kale, i doubt that he would go for the one tap just because the opponent is trying to kill him
Yup. Goku can feel the intend of others based on their ki. For example, when Trunks charged at Goku with his sword, Goku didn't attempt to block it because he knew Trunks wasn't trying to kill him. Same goes for Broly. So yeah, if Naruto uses lethal techniques on him, Goku would know and use the Kaioken to gain the advantage

Kale is a different case because once again, Goku did not felt that Kale's ki was malicious, and most importantly, he was saving energy for Jiren so using SSBKK would be a waste of energy
 
Yup. Goku can feel the intend of others based on their ki. For example, when Trunks charged at Goku with his sword, Goku didn't attempt to block it because he knew Trunks wasn't trying to kill him. Same goes for Broly. So yeah, if Naruto uses lethal techniques on him, Goku would know and use the Kaioken to gain the advantage
oh okay, cool, but even if he feels the intent there is no way for him to know about the techniques, one of them is just hand to hand combat and the other is projectile, if they hit it is game over for goku

Kale is a different case because once again, Goku did not felt that Kale's ki was malicious
she was screaming his name in anger and expressively saying that she wanted to kill him

and most importantly, he was saving energy for Jiren so using SSBKK would be a waste of energy
maybe, but dying would also not be good for him, so wouldn't be worth it?

also this
also just ad at the point about goku not going for the one tap even when pressed, when hit came to kill him, he didn't use kaioken even when he knew the oponent was trying to kill him, so it is not very likely that goku would use the stronger kaioken if he feels threatened
 
oh okay, cool, but even if he feels the intent there is no way for him to know about the techniques, one of them is just hand to hand combat and the other is projectile, if they hit it is game over for goku
He'd still feel Naruto's intent and if he'll figure out he wants to kill him with his techniques (which I highly doubt he'd do on first move unless I'm mistaken), Goku would avoid these or counter with his own attacks
she was screaming his name in anger and expressively saying that she wanted to kill him

maybe, but dying would also not be good for him, so wouldn't be worth it?
Goku was never at any danger. Even though Kale threw Goku around, it was very clear that after she went through Goku's Kamehameha she was pretty damaged as she was panting heavily before throwing him away
 
He'd still feel Naruto's intent and if he'll figure out he wants to kill him with his techniques (which I highly doubt he'd do on first move unless I'm mistaken), Goku would avoid these or counter with his own attacks
well, not on the first move, but very soon with the rasen shuriken, i guess that goku can dodge it for a while, but can he dodge it on top of naruto cloning and barrage? or, if naruto uses the kurama avatar, this aoe? and the frog strike is part of his hth combat, he can use it as they are exchanging punches, which is goku's main strategy most of the time

Goku was never at any danger. Even though Kale threw Goku around, it was very clear that after she went through Goku's Kamehameha she was pretty damaged as she was panting heavily before throwing him away
yes but she still overpowered him and had him on her grasp while still saying that she was going to kill him, also there is the time where hit was trying to kill him and yet he didn't use kaioken, he will use it if nescesary, but unless the oponent is strong enough i doubt he will go for the 10 or 20 times first instead of going for the lesser ones to test and try to have fun
 
If Naruto starts spamming clones I see absolutely no reason Goku wouldn’t just instantly bust out the Kaioken x20 to just one shot everything around him.
 
If Naruto starts spamming clones I see absolutely no reason Goku wouldn’t just instantly bust out the Kaioken x20 to just one shot everything around him.
because that is not what goku would do in character? he may use kaioken to deal with the clones, but why would he go all out?, also how would he deal with them launching rasen shuriken or using frog strike in the middle of their exchange of punches?
 
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also how would he deal with them launching rasen shuriken or using frog strike in the middle of their exchange of punches?
Dodging them? He's probably the more skilled of the two, given he's being trained under by Beerus and Whis, who are hundreds of millions of years old.
 
because that is not what goku would do in character? he may use kaioken to deal with the clones, but why would he go all out?
You seem to be under the impression that Naruto would fight to win and Goku…wouldn’t? Or wouldn’t fight to the extent Naruto would which I have no idea why that would be the case here.

Goku may fight for fun but he also fights to win and prove himself to get stronger. If Naruto starts going all out and tries to press him Goku would do the same and if he doesn’t then neither of these two in character would use moves to severely incapacitate one another as they would just be sparring at that point. They would get along above all else.
 
Dodging them? He's probably the more skilled of the two, given he's being trained under by Beerus and Whis, who are hundreds of millions of years old.
naruto is pretty skilled as well, and age doe not translate to skill, they are both pretty even with goku having a small edge, but also the frog strike is just a different way of punch, there is no way for him to expect that
 
naruto is pretty skilled as well, and age doe not translate to skill
While that can be true, they're both explicitly masters who have been training and honing their skill for millions of years.
but also the frog strike is just a different way of punch, there is no way for him to expect that
You seem to be under the impression that Goku would just let him hit him, which he wouldn't. He's had plenty of experience dodging multiple danmaku style attacks before, so this wouldn't be any different.
 
You seem to be under the impression that Naruto would fight to win and Goku…wouldn’t? Or wouldn’t fight to the extent Naruto would which I have no idea why that would be the case here.
i don't understand the question? sure goku would want to win, but he most likely would want to have fun fighting someone close in power to him and see what naruto can do, that is how goku fights, it is more likely for naruto to use either rasen shuriken(that became his most common jutsu outside of shadows clone) and the frog strike(that became part of his fighting style after learning sage mode) it is more likely for naruto to use those and hit before goku just decides to go all out and end it with the times 20 kaioken

Goku may fight for fun but he also fights to win and prove himself to get stronger. If Naruto starts going all out and tries to press him Goku would do the same and if he doesn’t then neither of these two in character would use moves to severely incapacitate one another as they would just be sparring at that point. They would get along above all else.
following the sba they both assume that the other wants to harm them, rasen shuriken is hardly naruto going all out, it is just a technique that he uses regularly, same for the frog strike, plus goku can fell naruto's energy, so he would use a lesser kaioken first to test naruto and see if he has more to show

While that can be true, they're both explicitly masters who have been training and honing their skill for millions of years.
yeah? well beerus is despicted as lazy so idk about him, but i wouldn't say that goku is on par with whis in skill, but from what says in the profile goku seems to have an advantage in skill, but not a really big one

You seem to be under the impression that Goku would just let him hit him, which he wouldn't. He's had plenty of experience dodging multiple danmaku style attacks before, so this wouldn't be any different.
against multiple clones at the same time? and also the bigger problem is the aoe of it, this aoe to be exact
 
keep in mind that naruto can make thousands of clones, can goku really dodge all of it from beings as fast as him?

That's likely one of the worst moves he can do, since it leaves him open for Goku to dodge with Instant Transmission, and pummel him while his guard is down.
not really when the blast would explode and hit him, keep in mind that there is just the both of them there, he wouldn't be able to teleport out of the range of the explosion, it is literaly so big that it can be seem from space
 
i don't understand the question? sure goku would want to win, but he most likely would want to have fun fighting someone close in power to him and see what naruto can do, that is how goku fights, it is more likely for naruto to use either rasen shuriken(that became his most common jutsu outside of shadows clone) and the frog strike(that became part of his fighting style after learning sage mode) it is more likely for naruto to use those and hit before goku just decides to go all out and end it with the times 20 kaioken
He still actively uses kaioken against those he’s fighting. Against Hit he used Kaioken x10, so if Naruto tries to press Goku with his rasenshuriken or his clones there’s no reason for Goku to not go all out or use his higher end levels of Kaioken. Especially since as you say Goku can feel Naruto’s energy.

If Naruto uses a raenshuriken Goku would just counteract with Kamehameha Goku’s skill straight up can overcome Naruto’s own hand to hand combat skills easily (my dude was literally predicting the moves of someone who could skip ahead in time. I think he has frog strikes covered.) And if Goku ever gets pressed there’s no reason for him not to insta use kaioken.
following the sba they both assume that the other wants to harm them, rasen shuriken is hardly naruto going all out, it is just a technique that he uses regularly, same for the frog strike, plus goku can fell naruto's energy, so he would use a lesser kaioken first to test naruto and see if he has more to show
If they want to harm each other and they know that then why wouldn’t Goku use kaioken? Even when he’s having fun he still actively uses the technique (like against hit.)

I’m not saying he’d bust it out right away but I see no reason for him to actively hold it back if he ever gets pressed like if Naruto starts using clones. Things like Rasenshuriken can simply be countered with instant transmission or a single counter ki blast. So idk what use that would do.
 
He still actively uses kaioken against those he’s fighting. Against Hit he used Kaioken x10
yeah, after fighting for a while and getting out of options

, so if Naruto tries to press Goku with his rasenshuriken or his clones there’s no reason for Goku to not go all out or use his higher end levels of Kaioken. Especially since as you say Goku can feel Naruto’s energy.
can you give an example of goku using kaioken at max power when kind of pressed? for goku none of the rasen shuriken would look to dangerous, neither would the frog strike, why would he go all out when he can feel that naruto is relative to him in strength?

If Naruto uses a raenshuriken Goku would just counteract with Kamehameha
yeah good point, but what about a barrage? the kamehameha is not big enough to cover a barrage is it?

Goku’s skill straight up can overcome Naruto’s own hand to hand combat skills easily (my dude was literally predicting the moves of someone who could skip ahead in time. I think he has frog strikes covered.)
the frog strike would look dangerous to him, it is just a punch from his perspective

And if Goku ever gets pressed there’s no reason for him not to insta use kaioken.
i know that he would use the kaioken, i am just arguing that he wouldn't use the maximum of of the bat when slightly pressed

If they want to harm each other and they know that then why wouldn’t Goku use kaioken? Even when he’s having fun he still actively uses the technique (like against hit.)
read above, i never said that he wouldn't use the kaioken

I’m not saying he’d bust it out right away but I see no reason for him to actively hold it back if he ever gets pressed like if Naruto starts using clones. Things like Rasenshuriken can simply be countered with instant transmission or a single counter ki blast. So idk what use that would do.
a barrage of rasen shuriken, or an aoe rasen shuriken this aoe to be exact would be fatal
 
keep in mind that naruto can make thousands of clones, can goku really dodge all of it from beings as fast as him?
Maybe? If it was UI Goku, probably. But this Goku might not be able to handle it unless he decides to carpet bomb the arena.
not really when the blast would explode and hit him, keep in mind that there is just the both of them there, he wouldn't be able to teleport out of the range of the explosion, it is literaly so big that it can be seem from space
Goku can travel to other galaxies with Instant Transmission, so range isn't an issue. Plus, it doesn't look like the blast hits Naruto. So unless Naruto is in another country, I don't think the range is that great.
 
Maybe? If it was UI Goku, probably. But this Goku might not be able to handle it unless he decides to carpet bomb the arena.
keep in mind that rasen shuriken only need to hit once

Goku can travel to other galaxies with Instant Transmission, so range isn't an issue.
as sba he can't since there is not anyone for him to teleport to, since that would be considered outside help, he only has naruto here

Plus, it doesn't look like the blast hits Naruto. So unless Naruto is in another country, I don't think the range is that great.
we literally see it from space, no reason to doubt the range, it does hit him, he just thanks it or heal since he has regeneration and healing
 
yeah, after fighting for a while and getting out of options
….when he started to get pressed yeah…
can you give an example of goku using kaioken at max power when kind of pressed? for goku none of the rasen shuriken would look to dangerous, neither would the frog strike, why would he go all out when he can feel that naruto is relative to him in strength?
Against Jiren? Against Hit? Most times Goku’s used Kaioken in conjunction with blue it was x10 and x20 respectively. And like you said Goku can feel Naruto’s energy and intent so idk why he would hold back when Naruto is using lethal moves against him. The fact that Naruto is using the rasenshuriken instead of a plain rasengan in the first place is a more lethal move and indication of his intent.
yeah good point, but what about a barrage? the kamehameha is not big enough to cover a barrage is it?
….Goku can fire a barrage of ki blasts too. Also about that kamehameha size
the frog strike would look dangerous to him, it is just a punch from his perspective
Goku can feel intent and sense vibrations in the air even when he’s unable to see things.
i know that he would use the kaioken, i am just arguing that he wouldn't use the maximum of of the bat when slightly pressed
Even going x10 still makes him one shotting everyone near him and that is both a figure he uses consistently and not his full power so even then he’d still power himself enough to comfortably take care of Naruto since again…he can feel the energy difference between them.
read above, i never said that he wouldn't use the kaioken
But you’re saying he would nerf himself to a level Naruto handles?
a barrage of rasen shuriken, or an aoe rasen shuriken this aoe to be exact would be fatal
Goku literally has just as comparable aoe if not larger and can send barrage of attacks as well. Also he can teleport so I don’t see how any of this is effective against Goku.
 
If Naruto starts spamming thousands of Shadow clones I have actually no idea why Goku wouldn’t respond with going kaioken x20 and one shotting everyone in the vicinity.

That is severe lethal intent that Goku should be smart enough to act accordingly.
 
as sba he can't since there is not anyone for him to teleport to, since that would be considered outside help, he only has naruto here
It doesn't even need to be a person, it just has to have energy that he can read. Since everything has energy, he could just teleport to one of those big ass tree's in California. But what I was originally referring to was him teleporting behind Naruto as he fires his attack, since it leaves him wide open.
 
….when he started to get pressed yeah…
he was getting pressed before hand, he only used it when he had no other option, how is this comparable to this match?

Against Jiren? Against Hit? Most times Goku’s used Kaioken in conjunction with blue it was x10 and x20 respectively.
the first was someone that goku could feel that it was too powerful to hold back, and the other was an experiment to counter an specific ability, most times he uses kaioken we don't how much he is using, and when we know it is because he felt the enemy's power and saw that he needed to use that much power, here naruto is relative to him in power

And like you said Goku can feel Naruto’s energy and intent so idk why he would hold back when Naruto is using lethal moves against him.
1 why would he use times 20 when he can feel that naruto is relative to his blue state already?
2 the intent is to harm and kill, like most enemies goku fought, hell not even when he knew that the enemy was trying to kill him he used the kaioken at maximum or at all
3 he wouldn't know that the moves are lethal until they hit him

The fact that Naruto is using the rasenshuriken instead of a plain rasengan in the first place is a more lethal move and indication of his intent.
goku has no idea of what a rasengan is, so this point is moot

….Goku can fire a barrage of ki blasts too. Also about that kamehameha size
this is dbs manga goku, not the one used for this match, and also what am i supposed to be seeing here?

Goku can feel intent and sense vibrations in the air even when he’s unable to see things.
so? unless you are saying that goku could dodge all of naruto's punches when both have the same speed here, i don't really see your point

Even going x10 still makes him one shotting everyone near him and that is both a figure he uses consistently and not his full power so even then he’d still power himself enough to comfortably take care of Naruto since again…he can feel the energy difference between them.
which is why he would likely not do that and use a lesser version to test naruto to see if he can do more and give him a more fun fight

But you’re saying he would nerf himself to a level Naruto handles?
he likes to test his opponents to have fun in a fight

Goku literally has just as comparable aoe if not larger and can send barrage of attacks as well. Also he can teleport so I don’t see how any of this is effective against Goku.
all of that is rasen shuriken, aka durability negation, goku having this aoe is not much relevant for this point, and also he would teleport to where? there is only naruto here, anyone else would be considered outside help, which is against sba

It doesn't even need to be a person, it just has to have energy that he can read. Since everything has energy, he could just teleport to one of those big ass tree's in California.
no, it needs to be a living being, or else he could have teleported cell to a deserted planet for example, he needs to sense someone's ki

But what I was originally referring to was him teleporting behind Naruto as he fires his attack, since it leaves him wide open.
and then he gets caught in the blast, plus naruto could feel him with his own extrasensory perception and counter attack
 
no, it needs to be a living being, or else he could have teleported cell to a deserted planet for example, he needs to sense someone's ki
Yeah, living being. A tree is a living being. As I said before, It doesn't have to be a person. Also, the reason he teleported cell to King Kai's planet was that it was the first place he thought of and sensed.
and then he gets caught in the blast, plus naruto could feel him with his own extrasensory perception and counter attack
Naruto doesn't get caught in his own blast, or else he'd be dead by now. So if Goku teleports behind Naruto, he wouldn't get hit. Also, Naruto can't just instantly turn off the giant orbs in his hands, so he'd be caught with his pants down.
 
Yeah, living being. A tree is a living being. As I said before, It doesn't have to be a person.
prove that, also to teleport great distances he need to concentrate, which he will not have time for it here, and the blast would not be expected making it even less likely for him to have time to concentrate

Also, the reason he teleported cell to King Kai's planet was that it was the first place he thought of and sensed.
a random tree in a desserted planet would be easier to feel than a guy in another dimension in a small planet

Naruto doesn't get caught in his own blast, or else he'd be dead by now.
no, he just thanks the blast or heals from it

So if Goku teleports behind Naruto, he wouldn't get hit.
have you not saw the size of the blast?

Also, Naruto can't just instantly turn off the giant orbs in his hands, so he'd be caught with his pants down.
he can just stretch kurama's hands behind him, also the orbs would not be there anymore as he lauched them already
 
he was getting pressed before hand, he only used it when he had no other option, how is this comparable to this match?
…no, literally like the minute he was being pushed back he used Kaioken. Keep in mind using Kaioken was more dangerous then too cause he didn’t perfect it yet and he busted out x10 when he was getting pressed by Hit’s ability.
the first was someone that goku could feel that it was too powerful to hold back, and the other was an experiment to counter an specific ability, most times he uses kaioken we don't how much he is using, and when we know it is because he felt the enemy's power and saw that he needed to use that much power, here naruto is relative to him in power
Yeah but you’re also saying Naruto would spam finishing moves and thousand shadow clones. Goku can see that and respond accordingly by increasing his power to a point where he outclasses Naruto totally cause he’s literally being faced with murderous intent.
1 why would he use times 20 when he can feel that naruto is relative to his blue state already?
2 the intent is to harm and kill, like most enemies goku fought, hell not even when he knew that the enemy was trying to kill him he used the kaioken at maximum or at all
3 he wouldn't know that the moves are lethal until they hit him
1) Because he can feel Naruto’s intent in wanting to Bonnard him with extremely high end attacks like huge aoe and thousand shadow clones. Goku can feel that and act accordingly and since he can feel the difference between strengths he’d just make himself strong enough to outclass Naruto regardless.
2) So why in God’s name are you assuming Goku wouldn’t be busting out whatever level kaioken he needs to one shot whatever Naruto throws at him when he’s apparently throwing literal finishers like your citing?
3) Yeah he would because he has instinctive reaction. Even before attacks make contact with him he knows they’re lethal like when he fought Beerus.
goku has no idea of what a rasengan is, so this point is moot
That doesn’t matter. Goku can feel intent and Naruto would be using more lethal intent in option to use a Rasenshuriken rather than a Rasengan. Goku can feel that and act accordingly.
this is dbs manga goku, not the one used for this match, and also what am i supposed to be seeing here?
That was Goku firing a kamehameha against Beerus that was bigger than the planet. And either way Goku has literally universal range with the shockwaves of his own attacks.
so? unless you are saying that goku could dodge all of naruto's punches when both have the same speed here, i don't really see your point
….Yeah I don’t see why not. Dude was literally predicting a guy that would disappear from reality for a fraction of a second. He’s pretty good at fighting. Or rather I don’t see why Goku wouldn’t just increase himself to the point where he can dodge whatever Naruto throws at him the minute he gets pressed.
which is why he would likely not do that and use a lesser version to test naruto to see if he can do more and give him a more fun fight
You understand he’d still feel the difference between him and Naruto and would make himself whatever strength necessary to comfortable deal with him right?

And what you’re saying Goku’s gonna be treating this fight like it’s a spar with Piccolo when Naruto literally throwing out finishing murdering moves towards him? He’s obviously going to take this more seriously if he’s feeling Naruto trying to kill him like he does with every other opponent that tries to kill him outright.
he likes to test his opponents to have fun in a fight
You’re saying Goku’s gonna be treating this like a spar while Naruto’s gonna be trying to murder him….Yeah I think Goku would act more like he does against Nappa…or Recoom…or Frieza or Cell or Buu or Beerus in that he would aim to take his opponent down when his opponent is trying to murder him.

Not just treat this like a friendly spar.
all of that is rasen shuriken, aka durability negation, goku having this aoe is not much relevant for this point, and also he would teleport to where? there is only naruto here, anyone else would be considered outside help, which is against sba
So what? That doesn’t matter if nothing Naruto throws can hit Goku in the first place. Either by countering with his own aoe ki blasts or simply avoiding all together.

Also goku can teleport to anything that has a life force which includes thing like simple animals or plant life.

Trying to restrict instant transmission is pretty cringe too ngl.
no, it needs to be a living being, or else he could have teleported cell to a deserted planet for example, he needs to sense someone's ki
This includes animal life, and plant life you realize that right? It’s just whatever he’s able to sense with for ki. And Cell? He said he teleported to King Kai’s place cause that was the first place that came to mind.
and then he gets caught in the blast, plus naruto could feel him with his own extrasensory perception and counter attack
Goku has resistance to extra sensory perception so that’s a no no. And why would Naruto actively get caught in his own attacks? That’s not something he does in character.
 
…no, literally like the minute he was being pushed back he used Kaioken.
because he saw no other option to counter hit's thecnique, he had analized hit beforehand

Keep in mind using Kaioken was more dangerous then too cause he didn’t perfect it yet and he busted out x10 when he was getting pressed by Hit’s ability.
because he saw what the ability did and saw no other way to counter it, here he would have no reason to assume that naruto has an dangerous ability like that

Yeah but you’re also saying Naruto would spam finishing moves and thousand shadow clones.
not thousand shadow clones, a dozen is what he usually uses, and the rasen shuriken is very comon for him to use, but he would start by hand to hand to hand combat

Goku can see that and respond accordingly by increasing his power to a point where he outclasses Naruto totally cause he’s literally being faced with murderous intent.
hit also had murder intent and yet goku didn't do that, he didn't even used the kaioken when hit was trying to kill him, show a normal circunstance where goku goes all out in the slightly sense of danger

1) Because he can feel Naruto’s intent in wanting to Bonnard him with extremely high end attacks like huge aoe and thousand shadow clones.
he can feel the intent of an attack, not what naruto wants to attack with or his strategy

Goku can feel that and act accordingly and since he can feel the difference between strengths he’d just make himself strong enough to outclass Naruto regardless.
as i said, it is unlikely for goku to go for a blitz level kaioken of the bat, he has no reason to go that high against someone as strong as him in his blue state

2) So why in God’s name are you assuming Goku wouldn’t be busting out whatever level kaioken he needs to one shot whatever Naruto throws at him when he’s apparently throwing literal finishers like your citing?
rasen shuriken is hardly a finisher, and the ones that are more likely to come first before goku decides to activate a blitz level kaioken, as not even against someone with killer intent he did that

3) Yeah he would because he has instinctive reaction. Even before attacks make contact with him he knows they’re lethal like when he fought Beerus.
good point, still feeling and being able to doge is another thing, specially the frog strike in which goku would be very close to naruto
That doesn’t matter. Goku can feel intent and Naruto would be using more lethal intent in option to use a Rasenshuriken rather than a Rasengan. Goku can feel that and act accordingly.
not really, rasen shuriken is used as much, if not more than the rasengan in this key

That was Goku firing a kamehameha against Beerus that was bigger than the planet. And either way Goku has literally universal range with the shockwaves of his own attacks.
still i don't see the point in goku's range here?

….Yeah I don’t see why not. Dude was literally predicting a guy that would disappear from reality for a fraction of a second. He’s pretty good at fighting. Or rather I don’t see why Goku wouldn’t just increase himself to the point where he can dodge whatever Naruto throws at him the minute he gets pressed.
they would both be trowing hands, the moment a frog strike hits it will be too late for him to do that, specially with clones

You understand he’d still feel the difference between him and Naruto and would make himself whatever strength necessary to comfortable deal with him right?
yes, which a kaioken times 2 or 3 is more than enough

And what you’re saying Goku’s gonna be treating this fight like it’s a spar with Piccolo when Naruto literally throwing out finishing murdering moves towards him? He’s obviously going to take this more seriously if he’s feeling Naruto trying to kill him like he does with every other opponent that tries to kill him outright.
he is going to take it seriosly, but using kaioken at maximum is not part of that as he would still want to try and have fun, remember when hit was trying to murder goku? yeah he didn't use the kaioken even when pushed there

You’re saying Goku’s gonna be treating this like a spar while Naruto’s gonna be trying to murder him….Yeah I think Goku would act more like he does against Nappa…or Recoom…or Frieza or Cell or Buu or Beerus in that he would aim to take his opponent down when his opponent is trying to murder him.
two of those are fother that goku didn't saw as worth it and nappa even made him mad so not the case here, freeza made him extremely mad so not the case here, cell goku extended the fight so it ads to my point, buu was trying to destroy his planet and was a know threat that he was warned so not the case here, and beerus was kind of the same as buu, so not the case here
also remember when hit was trying to murder goku? yeah he didn't use the kaioken even when pushed there

So what? That doesn’t matter if nothing Naruto throws can hit Goku in the first place. Either by countering with his own aoe ki blasts or simply avoiding all together.
if it prolongs too long with naruto not hitting he would likely use some of his other abilities, like genjutsu or paralisis or just an aoe rasen shuriken

Also goku can teleport to anything that has a life force which includes thing like simple animals or plant life.
any other being would be considered outside help, and where is the proof that he can teleport using plants? also he would not expect the blast to be too large and it likely not be enough time for him to teleport
Trying to restrict instant transmission is pretty cringe too ngl.
who is restricting?

This includes animal life, and plant life you realize that right? It’s just whatever he’s able to sense with for ki. And Cell? He said he teleported to King Kai’s place cause that was the first place that came to mind.
1 show me that plants can be used as well, we never saw him doing it to them
2 if he could do to plants he could have teleported to any planet with plant life, it would have been easier to sense than a planet in another dimension

Goku has resistance to extra sensory perception so that’s a no no.
he can feel people through their intent to harm

And why would Naruto actively get caught in his own attacks? That’s not something he does in character.
yes it is, have you not saw the clips?
 
because he saw no other option to counter hit's thecnique, he had analized hit beforehand
He was literally countering Hit’s technique prior. It’s when Hit started to keep getting better and overwhelm Goku that he chose to use it.
because he saw what the ability did and saw no other way to counter it, here he would have no reason to assume that naruto has an dangerous ability like that
Why wouldn’t he assume Naruto’s dangerous? Goku would consider him a threat because of the fact that Naruto is actively trying to kill himX
not thousand shadow clones, a dozen is what he usually uses, and the rasen shuriken is very comon for him to use, but he would start by hand to hand to hand combat
If he uses a dozen shadow clones I see no reason for Goku not to counter with Kaioken x whatever he needs to comfortably avoid all of them.
hit also had murder intent and yet goku didn't do that, he didn't even used the kaioken when hit was trying to kill him, show a normal circunstance where goku goes all out in the slightly sense of danger
You mean the instance where goku literally asked Hit himself to kill him? Yeah, that’s goku sparing with a person he actively knows. This is Naruto just trying to kill him so there’s no reason for Goku to treat Naruto with the same courtesy he treated his friend Hit when he personally asked him to attack his person.
he can feel the intent of an attack, not what naruto wants to attack with or his strategy
I never said as much?
as i said, it is unlikely for goku to go for a blitz level kaioken of the bat, he has no reason to go that high against someone as strong as him in his blue state
When someone starts throwing a dozen shadow clones or spamming out massive attacks is see no reason why he wouldn’t go blitz him with kaioken. Even a 2 or 3x Kaioken would be enough to blitz at that points
rasen shuriken is hardly a finisher, and the ones that are more likely to come first before goku decides to activate a blitz level kaioken, as not even against someone with killer intent he did that
So what Rasenshurikens you’re citing Goku can simply counter with ki blasts. And if Naruto decides to use his larger attacks goku can simply counter with activating Kaioken. I don’t see the issue here.
good point, still feeling and being able to doge is another thing, specially the frog strike in which goku would be very close to naruto
yeah Goku’s pretty adept at dodging so I don’t see why he wouldn’t.
not really, rasen shuriken is used as much, if not more than the rasengan in this key
This doesn’t hinder my point. Rasenshuriken is more lethal than rasengan, Naruto knows this ergo he uses more lethal intent with the rasenshuriken than the rasengan. Goku can feel that lethal intent.
still i don't see the point in goku's range here?
I’m asking how Naruto’s aoe would help him when Goku has similar if not larger aoe to Naruto with his own attacks.
they would both be trowing hands, the moment a frog strike hits it will be too late for him to do that, specially with clones
Why do you think Goku wouldn’t bust out Kaioken the minute Naruto decides to try and press him with a dozen clones?
yes, which a kaioken times 2 or 3 is more than enough
Why not 4x or 5x or however many times Goku likes to be comfortable enough to always have an advantage over Naruto? You’re making Goku simply lower himself to a level Naruto can handle so Naruto can kill him when he could just make himself comfortable enough so that he can deal with Naruto easily.

Even a Kaioken x3 would mean enough for him to blitz pretty sure too.
he is going to take it seriosly, but using kaioken at maximum is not part of that as he would still want to try and have fun, remember when hit was trying to murder goku? yeah he didn't use the kaioken even when pushed there
He’s not gonna be playing around with a random guy trying to murder him. He’s gonna fight to win. Hit was someone Goku literally asked to fight and he considers a friend. Naruto is not and Goku doesn’t know Naruto. He’s just trying to kill him so Goku would respond accordingly.
two of those are fother that goku didn't saw as worth it and nappa even made him mad so not the case here, freeza made him extremely mad so not the case here, cell goku extended the fight so it ads to my point, buu was trying to destroy his planet and was a know threat that he was warned so not the case here, and beerus was kind of the same as buu, so not the case here
also remember when hit was trying to murder goku? yeah he didn't use the kaioken even when pushed there
Who even says Goku has to give Naruto the time of day? If he’s literally just gonna start trying to kill him out of the blue I don’t see a reason why Goku wouldn’t just immediately treat him as an enemy and take him down. You’re trying to act as if Goku would treat this as a slight spar when by all accounts Goku would just view Naruto as an enemy to be taken down. He would view him as a threat. I don’t see why he wouldn’t.

Hit is his friend and someone he literally asked to fight him at his own accord. This is not the same.
if it prolongs too long with naruto not hitting he would likely use some of his other abilities, like genjutsu or paralisis or just an aoe rasen shuriken
If it prolongs too long Goku would’ve simply used Kaioken to overpower Naruto. You don’t seem to understand that no matter what Naruto does goku will have a read on his energy
any other being would be considered outside help, and where is the proof that he can teleport using plants? also he would not expect the blast to be too large and it likely not be enough time for him to teleport
What do you mean “outside help?” Bugs and animals don’t classify as “help” when it’s literally just teleportation. And why wouldn’t he expect the blast to be large what? He can sense energy he knows how much energy would be compact in that attack.

He’s seen small attacks go big before, it’s nothing new.
who is restricting?
You are by trying to say Goku can’t teleport anywhere else because somehow bugs are “outside help” lol.

And this doesn’t explain why Goku wouldn’t just teleport around Naruto to avoid the attack.
1 show me that plants can be used as well, we never saw him doing it to them
2 if he could do to plants he could have teleported to any planet with plant life, it would have been easier to sense than a planet in another dimension
1) Goku described it as sending Ki. All things have ki.
2) I told you King Kai’s place was the first thing that cane
he can feel people through their intent to harm
Ok valid.
yes it is, have you not saw the clips?
Yeah….nowhere does it show Naruto getting hit by his own attacks?
 
Goku in this key should scale above SSJ2 Kefla, who can one shot UIO2 Goku. And UIO2 Goku > UIO1 Goku > IZ which’s baseline Low 2-C. It means that SSB Goku Post UIO2 can one shot people that are fairly above baseline Low 2-C. If Naruto does not scale ridiculously above baseline Low 2-C He’ll get his ass handled by Goku.
 
like Goku being able to teleport and shit just because it has a similar life force energy would be NLF unless its verse equalization
 
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