Mcu 6-a and speed rough draft

[RoTt35]

It is considering Thor see’s it as pretty high tier

We need a direct statement of its power, the Mind Stone only being powerful and of a high tier isn't usable

Since when? I remember the 6-a upgrades in general being rejected because of a stalemate not just the what if feat

Here

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

We need a direct statement of its power, the Mind Stone only being powerful and of a high tier isn't usable

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It is considering he sees it as a more destructive force then the likes of the bifrost or anything the mind stone as shown them which would include the extinction event Wanda saw

it seems the main problem with the feat is that it’s better then what mainline carol has done considering strange’s feats were accepted or whatever

 

[RoTt35]

It is considering he sees it as a more destructive force then the likes of the bifrost or anything the mind stone as shown them which would include the extinction event Wanda saw

That would just work to support a High 6-A rating

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That would just work to support a High 6-A rating

Not really considering the bifrost can destroy planets and Thor still considers the stones destructive force to be above that

 

[RoTt35]

Not really considering the bifrost can destroy planets and Thor still considers the stones destructive force to be above that

The Bifrost destroying Jotunheim is just High 6-A

 

[Dalesean027]

I'm not opposed to the high 6-A interpertation either

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The Bifrost destroying Jotunheim is just High 6-A

Ya and I’m referring to the fact that Thor knows that there are destructive forces that can destroy planets which the bifrost can do

 

[RoTt35]

I think we can make a thread to upgrade the characters to High 6-A with what we have, 5-C would be unlikely since all the characters would scale from the Hadron Enforcer and it would probably be considered an outlier, anything higher will be impossible since it's just a few iffy statements. We need a clip or video of the statement of interdimensional travel = sun energy though

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I found a Small Planet level calc, re-did it using more accurate dimensions for MCU Mjolnir and got Planet level

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with this

Also, just wanna bring up two things I mentioned a few pages ago:

Can you post this on vsbwiki and get it evaluated

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I think we can make a thread to upgrade the characters to High 6-A with what we have, 5-C would be unlikely since all the characters would scale from the Hadron Enforcer and it would probably be considered an outlier, anything higher will be impossible since it's just a few iffy statements. We need a clip or video of the statement of interdimensional travel = sun energy though

I mean if you wasn’t to ignore all the other tier 5 stuff and Ironman straight up blocking blasts from the power stone then I guess sure

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

5-C would be unlikely since all the characters would scale from the Hadron Enforcer and it would probably be considered an outlier

Eh, I personally don't see that much of a problem of scaling them to the Hadron Enforcer, and it doesn't seem all that big of an outlier. Maybe just try proposing that as well and see what people think about it

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I think we can make a thread to upgrade the characters to High 6-A with what we have, 5-C would be unlikely since all the characters would scale from the Hadron Enforcer and it would probably be considered an outlier, anything higher will be impossible since it's just a few iffy statements. We need a clip or video of the statement of interdimensional travel = sun energy though

We still have Hella destroying Thors hammer at Planet level so..

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

We still have Hella destroying Thors hammer at Planet level so..

That needs to be evaluated but ya there’s that to

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Eh, I personally don't see that much of a problem of scaling them to the Hadron Enforcer, and it doesn't seem all that big of an outlier. Maybe just try proposing that as well and see what people think about it

Yeah, also agree with this. The problem would be figuring out who scales above this, which is hard since Ronin is hardly ever mentioned.
At the very least we could get Thanos to scale to it since he was unfazed by Ronin saying he was going to kill him and Korath's statement. (Note that even when Ronin had the powerstone Korath never said the same thing about him)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Oh here it is
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AbaddonTheDisappointment/Xandar_Core_Feat

Don’t use that don’t use that. KLOL told me later that I used the wrong panel height for the panel and most of my previous calcs that use them use the wrong panel length lol. So uh… yeah gonna have to redo those later

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Don’t use that don’t use that. KLOL told me later that I used the wrong panel height for the panel and most of my previous calcs that use them use the wrong panel length lol. So uh… yeah gonna have to redo those later

Ok then just update it when you get the chance

Yeah, also agree with this. The problem would be figuring out who scales above this, which is hard since Ronin is hardly ever mentioned.
At the very least we could get Thanos to scale to it since he was unfazed by Ronin saying he was going to kill him and Korath's statement. (Note that even when Ronin had the powerstone Korath never said the same thing about him)

Thor and other high tiers would also scale due to rockets nidvallar statment

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The problem would be figuring out who scales above this

Pre-Awakening Thor and others who are comparable/superior to him would scale to it via Rocket's statement about Nidavellir weapons (aka Mjölnir and Stormbreaker)

Moon level (5-C)

• Rocket states that Nidavellir makes the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe.
• His Hadron Enforcer can blow up moons, which is confirmed by guidebooks.
• Ronan, who was empowered by the Power Stone, was unfazed by the Hadron Enforcer.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Pre-Awakening Thor and others who are comparable/superior to him would scale to it via Rocket's statement about Nidavellir weapons (aka Mjölnir and Stormbreaker)

Pfff, forgot about that. Well there you go, solid moon level argument.

 

[RoTt35]

I mean if you wasn’t to ignore all the other tier 5 stuff

You mean the deleted scenes, hax feats and unevaluated calcs?

Ironman straight up blocking blasts from the power stone then I guess sure

And? The Power Stone has a variable power based on the size of the target

Eh, I personally don't see that much of a problem of scaling them to the Hadron Enforcer, and it doesn't seem all that big of an outlier. Maybe just try proposing that as well and see what people think about it

Obviously it will be included in the CRT I'm fine with it, I just don't think it's going to be accepted

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

You mean the deleted scenes, hax feats and unevaluated calcs?

And? The Power Stone has a variable power based on the size of the target

Obviously it will be included in the CRT I'm fine with it, I just don't think it's going to be accepted

Actually I was referring to the WoG, the calculable terraforming of planets(just like the mother boxes) and the soon to be unevaluated calcs. Along with tesseract stuff and possible wormhole stuff

ya when it’s no being controlled by someone, I see no reason why someone can’t output plantery power with the stone agianst a smaller target

 

[RoTt35]

Actually I was referring to the WoG

That's what I meant by hax feats, the Aether or Reality Stone works with hax (Reality Warping and Transmutation)

the calculable terraforming of planets(just like the mother boxes)

That's surface wiping, which is just High 6-A

Along with tesseract stuff

That will likely be accepted at High 6-A

possible wormhole stuff

Isn't that just Portal Creation/Spatial Manipulation?

ya when it’s no being controlled by someone

Proof?

 

[DrakerX]

If we can't decide, we might propose "At least High 6-A, possibly 5-C", but we would need a calculation for both the values to which they would scale.
For the High 6-A, the Bifrost one, the average value for surface destruction and the energetic output of the Sun should work, while for the 5-C we would need the average value for blowing up a moon.

 

[RoTt35]

For 5-C it would be baseline since that's Moon's GBE

 

[RoTt35]

What were the reasons for scaling from the Bifrost?

 

[Dalesean027]

Isn't that just Portal Creation/Spatial Manipulation?

No that's high 6-A as well since they established you need as much energy as the sun generates which is high 6-A

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can you post this on vsbwiki and get it evaluated

We still have Hella destroying Thors hammer at Planet level so..

That needs to be evaluated but ya there’s that to

I'll be very surprised if it gets accepted

 

[Dalesean027]

I'll be very surprised if it gets accepted

I mean if it means anything to the verse page we actually have higher tiered feats listed now that I've updated it so people won't have the same perceptions of the power of the verse as before because for some reason we kept phase 3 as the peak of the feats we listed for so long

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That's what I meant by hax feats, the Aether or Reality Stone works with hax (Reality Warping and Transmutation)

That's surface wiping, which is just High 6-A

That will likely be accepted at High 6-A

Isn't that just Portal Creation/Spatial Manipulation?

Proof?

Ya and that can be calced

has then been used on stars?

I mean if people want to ignore the official definition of the meaning “wipe out” then sure

I guess but can’t that be calced considering it takes energy to make a wormhole

Ronan used the stone to amp himself despite it usually just destroying stuff

 

[Dalesean027]

Ronan used the stone to amp himself despite it usually just destroying stuff

It doesn't just destroy stuff though... we have scans that say it can amp people as well

 

[RoTt35]

Ya and that can be calced

How? Malekith was transmuting matter into dark matter via Reality Warping, that can't be calculated because it's hax

Ronan used the stone to amp himself despite it usually just destroying stuff

That would just be 5-C

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

How? Malekith was transmuting matter into dark matter via Reality Warping, that can't be calculated because it's hax

That would just be 5-C

If the mother boxes terraforming a planet via matter manlip then why can’t the same be done for the aether

Ok, my point was he can control it to do other things so I don’t see why thanos can’t uses the power stone to shoot out plantery lvl power

 

[RoTt35]

If the mother boxes terraforming a planet via matter manlip then why can’t the same be done for the aether

I don't know how the DCEU Mother Boxes work, but two wrongs don't make one right so that's not a valid argument, the Aether only works with Reality Warping and Transmutation, you can't calculate that hax into AP

Ok, my point was he can control it to do other things so I don’t see why thanos can’t uses the power stone to shoot out plantery lvl power

The scans imply that the amp is passive, not something the user can control at will

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I don't know how the DCEU Mother Boxes work, but two wrongs don't make one right so that's not a valid argument, the Aether only works with Reality Warping and Transmutation, you can't calculate that hax into AP

The scans imply that the amp is passive, not something the user can control at will

You can considering the creation feats page
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creation_Feats

If that is true then thanos would have been physically amped agianst the hulk which was stated otherwise by the russos. your scan also says implies the power stone can be used to control energy which would mean the user can wipe out any level of power they want

 

[RoTt35]

Multi-Continent level (High 6-A)
Sling Rings

• To achieve interdimensional travel you need the base energy of the sun, which releases 3.846e26 Joules or 91.9216 Petatons of TNT per second.
• According to this thread, the Sling Rings are accepted to be AP, WoG states that Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable and we don't know whether Doctor Strange had the capability to cut it.

The Tesseract

• The Tesseract has the potential energy to wipe out Earth without a minimum safe distance. That should at least be surface wiping, which is calculated at 646.570851 Petatons of TNT.
• Ronan implies that Captain Marvel is more powerful than the Tesseract. Korath stated that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, with Ronan indirectly agreeing with the claim.
• Hela implies that the Eternal Flame is more powerful than the Tesseract.

The Bifrost

• The Bifrost nearly destroyed Jotunheim, which was calculated at 6.1671661682e27 Joules or 1.47398809 Exatons of TNT.
• Thor states that nothing compares to what the Mind Stone can unleash, with him knowing that the Bifrost nearly destroyed Jotunheim. Scarlet Witch destroyed the Mind Stone.

Moon level (5-C)
Hadron Enforcer

• Rocket's Hadron Enforcer can blow up moons, which is confirmed by guidebooks.
• Ronan, who was empowered by the Power Stone, was unfazed/unscathed by the Hadron Enforcer.
• Rocket itself states that Nidavellir, place of creation of Mjölnir and Stormbreaker, makes the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe.

This is how the CRT will be, I don't know if anyone wants to change or add something. If you want higher upgrades to 5-B the best would be to wait for this CRT to be accepted, it will be easier to go from High 6-A/5-C to 5-B than from 6-B to 5-B

 

[Dalesean027]

Thor survived a point blank explosion of the Bifrost energy, Loki also surviving would be an outlier

Gonna say now that this will get picked apart as us picking and choosing for our own benefit to get higher tiered feats especially since this is Thor 1 Thor, it'd likely be more detrimental to have that listed than not

 

[RoTt35]

Gonna say now that this will get picked apart as us picking and choosing for our own benefit to get higher tiered feats especially since this is Thor 1 Thor, it'd likely be more detrimental to have that listed than not

The Rainbow Bridge carries the energy of the Bifrost and Thor survived an explosion that energy, I said Loki surviving it was an outlier unless they want High 6-A Loki, plus Pre-Awakening characters would be High 6-A via scaling to Vision and the Mind Stone

 

[RoTt35]

I can remove that if it causes too much trouble

 

[Dalesean027]

The Rainbow Bridge carries the energy of the Bifrost and Thor survived an explosion that energy, I said Loki surviving it was an outlier unless they want High 6-A Loki, plus Pre-Awakening characters would be High 6-A via scaling to Vision and the Mind Stone

Nah they won't become we don't scale vision to the peak of the mindstones power only ultron has this advantage in what if HOWEVER we can still list the mindstone as 6-A

 

[RoTt35]

Nah they won't become we don't scale vision to the peak of the mindstones power only ultron has this advantage in what if HOWEVER we can still list the mindstone as 6-A

True, I'm going to remove it then

 

[Dalesean027]

True, I'm going to remove it then

Yeah this is the note on the profile also:
Do not scale Vision to Ultron with the Mind Stone. This creates several scaling problems and contradictions, as well as it being stated that Vision was unable to unlock the Mind Stone's full power, whereas Ultron likely did not have such a problem.