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I still not convinced with the whole resistance to spacial manipulation thing since haki specifically affects devil fruit powers but that neither here nor there. I still vote Yami since he has other wincons.
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Yami Sukehiro vs Dracule Mihawk
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I really don't give a flying **** what your convinced of. It's on the profile, make a CRT or deal with it.
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Haki doesn't need to be full body to resist spatial manipulation.
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Haki's resistance isn't that impressive given it has been overcome. Unless Law's durability negating spatial cutting is just THAT much greater than Yami's. Haki's resistance seems heavily dependent on how much stronger the user's Haki is than the attacker. Cuz Vergo got hecc'd. Obviously, we can't have Law insta gibbing Yonkos
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Why did you reply then? Also read the discussion rules
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I agree it’s also has to deal with the hax<power things so it’s a nlf to say they resist all spatial manipulation anyway Yami has other wincons like death thrust.
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Yeah no, don't downplay here mate. That's a feat for Law's spatial manipulation, not an anti feat for Haki's Resistance. It's not an NLF either considering its not an Immunity, and for the record Law has much better spatial manipulation than Yami.
Mihawk specializes in Buso, Yami isn't bypassing that Resistance.
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Because your wrong? And the discussion rules have nothing to do with this.
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Looking at their cutting ability for the purpose of this fight, since that's all that matters, what has Law slashed through that makes his Spatial Cut better than Yami's?
Law can do more with his spatial manipulation, but that doesn't make it stronger than Yami's slash.
Kinda like that saying about not fearing the man who uses 1000 moves, but rather fearing the one who used one move 1000 times. Comparing their spatial cutting, I would confidently say Yami's outstrips Law's.
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He's able to spatially cut through people who have inherent resistances towards Spatial Manipulation? just check the Haki page.
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Mihawk doesnt stand a chance against Yami..
Dark Dimension Slash rip through Dimension (Time and Space). Bringing Law Ability here is useless. Law ability does not affect Time. That why Yami Dark Dimension cut through everything and Ignore Durability.
BC Verse Dont have those AOE destruction but their speed + hax is pretty much owned OP Verse.
Dark Dimension Slash rip through Dimension (Time and Space). Bringing Law Ability here is useless. Law ability does not affect Time. That why Yami Dark Dimension cut through everything and Ignore Durability.
BC Verse Dont have those AOE destruction but their speed + hax is pretty much owned OP Verse.
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Yami's spatial manipulation isn't doing shit to Mihawk. Yami's Dark Slash works by cutting the fabric of dimensions, he isn't interacting with abstract time in any way.
Irrelevant.
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Cutting through "dimensions" doesn't grant you the ability to cut through Time and Space? what're you talking about?
No it isn't given Law's Spatial Manipulation is above Yami's until the Black Clover side proves that Yami's Spatial Manipulation is more layered then Law's Spatial Manipulation (Which is what i'm guessing Mihawk resist)
Neither does Yami's.
No it isn't? it ignores durability because it cuts through dimensions AKA Space. has nothing to do with "cutting through Time and Space".
That's Wank.
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Dimensional Slash does not cut through time, only space. The dimensions in BC are another space that have the same time as the normal world, nothing out of the ordinary. julius, a user of time magic himself, describes the Dimensional Slash as something that cuts through space, without mentioning anything about time
And why would dodging be so difficult?
And why would dodging be so difficult?
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We've been over the Haki Page. Law should have resistance negation on his list of abilities if that's the case, WHICH I'm all for making a CRT for.
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There's nothing to do with time in Yami's dimension slash. It's Spatial in it's entirety
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He isn't negating his resistances through some-other mean that would grant resistance negation.
He's overcoming that dudes resistance because his Spatial Manipulation is above that dudes level of resistance.
The Burden of proof would be on you to prove that Law has some rando resistance negation ability he has never shown before compared to just Law's Spatial Manipulation is just above that dudes resistance.
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Right. I've already said that Haki's resistance is based on how strong the Haki user is compared to the ability user.
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That wouldn't equate to resistance negation.... That just means higher levels of Haki can negate lower levels of Haki given the difference between the levels.
That's just higher level Spatial Manipulation negating lower level Spatial Manipulation resistance.
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I Guess u dont read BC. Yami Dimension can cut through Space and Dimension.
Dimension affect time and Space.
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He only cuts through Space with Dimensional Slash. That's it.
Dimensions don't affect Time and Space? You do know that dimensions can have no time within them...do you?
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No, no. I know that. That's why I've already said it several times before. But when I say it overcame it, it kept getting treated like like something else or completely overlooked.
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I've watched the anime and I'm caught up to the manga. There's nothing time based about Yami's Dimension Slash. It cuts space. It's called Dimension Slash because he used it to slash out of a closed pocket dimension.
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You should see Dante how he warped Dimensional Slash.
and Yet he couldn't warp this attack..
In BC there a lot of Spatial Attack like the guy who fought Yuno also can cut through space and yet couldnt defeat Yuno.
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What does that have to do with time? He warped a spatial attack with intense gravity. Gravity bending space is just kinda how strong gravity works. Like Black Holes.You should see Dante how he warped Dimensional Slash.
and Yet he couldn't warp this attack..
In BC there a lot of Spatial Attack like the guy who fought Yuno also can cut through space and yet couldnt defeat Yuno.
Anyway. Back on topic. I'll concede on Yami and Law's Spatial cutting not being comparable. Not because I accept that Law's is stronger, it seems like the mere fact that Law overcame someone's resistance while Yami hasn't will just keep coming up, despite Yami having done more impressive things with his. Like cutting through pocket dimensions affecting other realities(At least so far, that's all he's done). And since Mihawk is Yonko level (Hell, he seems to be the strongest OP character on this site given his streak), that means Yami has no real win con, and I already have been considering changing to a different opponent for Yami, just can't think of who yet.. SO;
Mihawk has: Superior AP, Resistance to Yami's only kill option
Yami has: Superior range and mobility, but that won't really help
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You haven't seen Zoro's streak yet.
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First, There was no proof that Mihawk is Yonko level.
When Mihawk and Shank fought that was their during Shank who was still on Roger Ship. You should know that Shank only started his Crew and wasnt even a Yonko at that time when he Save Luffy (He lost an arm on Sea King) and Shank himself stated that It wasnt Mihawk who injured him but Blackbeard..
Mihawk doesnt have Superior Attack Power. You have no proof of that other than slicing an Huge Ice.. Claiming Superior Range and Mobility wont help.. Have you even seen Mihawk speed yet? Do you have a proof that Mihawk is FTL+?
Since Yami also have Mana Zone + Black Hole what make you think Mihawk would be able to move inside Yami Mana Zone?
The Current Feat of Zoro is even more impressive than Mihawk and Yet Yami would own Zoro still.
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Mihawk resists his spatial slashes.
Mihawk has superior AP and skill.
What's going on here
Mihawk has superior AP and skill.
What's going on here
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You didnt your so focused with your Haki crap. that like Saying Goku cant win against Haki user due to resistance. Big Mom has strong Haki and yet couldnt even Resist Law Room. Talk about ur Spatial Resistance crap.
Clearly Yami would also have Observation Haki. But its called "Ki" in their verse. It's practically the same as Observation Haki in One Piece, if u can read. Unless the person attack is faster then the Ki would be useless.. its like Sasuke with Sharingan seeing through Madara move and Yet his body cant react fast enough to dodge his attack.
Unless you have evidence that Mihawk reaction is faster than Yami. Or even have a proof that He is FTL+
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Don't compare Kenbunshoku Haki to Ki that is crazy
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So Goku is utilizing spatial hax now? Damn I gotta catch up with Super.
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I Guess you are mistaken with Ki on DBZ and Ki in Black Clover. Clearly if you read the "Ki" definition on Black Clover isn't the same as Ki in DBZ -.- they just call it Ki.
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I mostly meant his streak against other OP characters. I made a Zoro vs a while back. That was a whole thing.
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I covered that. This can be closed, but I was hoping I could come up with a different opponent instead
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Please refrain from OP vs BC or at least use someone else from BC.
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1/ Wait for Yami to actually have feats in this key before using it
2/ Dimension Slash doesn't cut through time. Dimension doesn't always refer to time btw
3/ Dimension Slash can be dodged but even Dante, who's comparable if not faster than Yami cannot dodge DS without teleporting, so Mihawk is likely to get hit.
4/ Mihawk has Spatial Resistance so stop talking about DS
2/ Dimension Slash doesn't cut through time. Dimension doesn't always refer to time btw
3/ Dimension Slash can be dodged but even Dante, who's comparable if not faster than Yami cannot dodge DS without teleporting, so Mihawk is likely to get hit.
4/ Mihawk has Spatial Resistance so stop talking about DS
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What about ki sensing and death thrust I mean Yami has other moves like black moon which will paralyse Mihawk
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Kenbunshoku Haki exists
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