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[Kin201]

I think what he meant is Orochi's physicals doesn't scale to Gaia Cannon.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Orochi’s physicals shouldn’t scale to Gaia Cannon just like Boros’ physicals don’t scale to collapsing star and Psykorochi’s physicals don’t scale to God Beam.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We don't scale Orochi to Gaia Cannon tho?

The High 6-A feat is Orochi pulling the energy, not the Gaia Cannon

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Orochi’s physicals shouldn’t scale to Gaia Cannon just like Boros’ physicals don’t scale to collapsing star and Psykorochi’s physicals don’t scale to God Beam.

We do scale Psykorochi to her God Beam tho. Or at least the profile does.

 

[NikHelton]

However, Orochi's physical stats are scaled to GC calculations.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

However, Orochi's physical stats are scaled to GC calculations.

No? Gaia Cannon is not him pulling the energy, that's something he does by himself.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also if we do say that High 6-A only scales to Gaia Cannon, then Orochi will be High 7-A, possibly 6-C.

Just saying

 

[Kin201]

High 7-A, possibly 6-C, higher with Gaia Cannon, High 6-A via Environmental Destruction (With his tail).

Is that what he meant? If something like that gets through, the gods tier will get a downgrade.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why would that even be environmental destruction?

 

[Kin201]

I dk, that's why I asked. I didn't grasp what he meant.

 

[Kachon123]

CAN WE USE THE ATOMIC SAMURAI CALC

 

[Quangotjokes]

Can we upscale Flash from Atomic calc?

 

[Kachon123]

Can we upscale Flash from Atomic calc?

Probably

 

[Kin201]

Get it accepted first.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

CAN WE USE THE ATOMIC SAMURAI CALC

No

 

[Kachon123]

No

We've had this convo multiple times and you've failed to provide a valid reason as to why not. We're not going to just not use it because you say no.

Give good reasons.

 

[ByAsura]

G4’s beams are light, but also frequently violated the wiki’s light rules.

 

[Kachon123]

G4’s beams are light, but also frequently violated the wiki’s light rules.

They fill 3 critera. What rules do they violate?

 

[ByAsura]

They bend.

IIRC, they cause explosions as well, but I may be misremembering.

 

[Kachon123]

They bend.

Light can bend.

We also don't see them explode.

 

[ByAsura]

Light doesn’t bend (at least on a macro scale and without gravitational lensing). It can appear to bend under very specific circumstances and to a particular degree, like refraction or diffraction. This and this fits neither because they’re just bending through empty atmosphere to home in on Genos.

Also, they’re often non-continuous. Light also can appear like that via optical illusions, but only under circumstances that aren’t met here.

 

[Quangotjokes]

What about the narrative that they're supposed to be lasers in series?

 

[ImposingTiger]

Well, I doubt ONE and Murata know that light can't bend.

And Kachon was talking about G5 too.

 

[ByAsura]

We don’t take narrative into account.

I’m not saying I agree with the criteria, btw (I have massive reservations for many instances), but it won’t pass until the criteria is revised.

And Kachon was talking about G5 too.

I know, but they’re the same. At the very least, we’re saying G5’s attack is SoL just based on G4 to begin with.

 

[Quangotjokes]

We don’t take narrative into account.

I’m not saying I agree with the criteria, btw (I have massive reservations for many instances), but it won’t pass until the criteria is revised.

I know, but they’re the same. At the very least, we’re saying G5’s attack is SoL just based on G4 to begin with.

I once spoke with AKM and we considered a different type of light attack as ok if it's was consistently followed standards most of the other showings.

 

[USklaverei]

Light doesn’t bend (at least on a macro scale and without gravitational lensing). It can appear to bend under very specific circumstances and to a particular degree, like refraction or diffraction. This and this fits neither because they’re just bending through empty atmosphere to home in on Genos.

Also, they’re often non-continuous. Light also can appear like that via optical illusions, but only under circumstances that aren’t met here.

But like, in this case, it's evident that he's manipulating the ''light'' to make this curve, so why should this be an undo?

 

[ByAsura]

Any evidence that he can just manipulate a lot of parameters around him to do that? They typically have to have some sort of specific reason for us to accept that logic.

As for consistent showings, there really aren’t any.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Any evidence that he can just manipulate a lot of parameters around him to do that? They typically have to have some sort of specific reason for us to accept that logic.

As for consistent showings, there really aren’t any.

Databook, they follow his vision.

 

[ByAsura]

Which only shows they’re guided lasers. It isn’t enough evidence for the (arbitrary) criteria.

If he could, say, manipulate space or air molecules, that’d be more than enough.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Since they bend based on his reaction wouldn't that make G4 rel in reaction? Consistent with Genos dodging if we do accept this?

 

[ByAsura]

It just follows enemies based on its field of vision. So, unless someone can move enormous distances in that time, it wouldn’t need to.

Also, Genos was comparable, and he either had extreme trouble dodging or couldn’t dodge at all.

 

[USklaverei]

Yes, Genos had a lot of trouble avoiding the lasers and only did that when he was at a great distance.

 

[USklaverei]

Any evidence that he can just manipulate a lot of parameters around him to do that? They typically have to have some sort of specific reason for us to accept that logic.

As for consistent showings, there really aren’t any.

So, I think this should be something, since we saw that that is light, there's no way to say that it's energy (without being light, of course), since that was literally undone by steam

 

[ByAsura]

For some reason, we value contradictory evidence over supporting evidence (I say supporting evidence, but it’s closer to proof).

 

[Tural2004]

Isn't G-4 crazy advanced by real life standarts? It doesn't seem far fetched to say that it can manipulate light like that

 

[USklaverei]

Yes, in this case we should see each case, since in this one there is an apparent ''reason'' for him to bow.

 

[Tinodesu]

They bend.

IIRC, they cause explosions as well, but I may be misremembering.

why should we focus too much on that when we can accept characters that move more than the speed of light are part of fiction, shouldn't we also consider laser that bend as part of fiction?

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Real light lasers or not, Genos shouldn’t scale to them. That’s just weird. Atomic Samurai can scale though, its clear he’s supposed to be a pretty damn fast swordsman.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

 

[USklaverei]

Real light lasers or not, Genos shouldn’t scale to them. That’s just weird. Atomic Samurai can scale though, its clear he’s supposed to be a pretty damn fast swordsman.

Obviously not, but he reacted to some and the feats generate from MHS+/Sub-Rel, no big deal