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[StrawHatArslan]

imho, Trebol should scale from hurting Law (Robin too if she happens to keep High 7-A scaling for x reasons).

But Usopp should not be scaling to Trebol from what we actually see go down. He got hurt by rubble, not even from the brunt of Trebol's attack hitting him, and was soundly defeated (rather quickly if we ignore the Kyros flashback chapter/s), not to mention he didn't even do anything to him.

Anyone who disagrees, provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE to the contrary....

1. Law was already injured
2. Doflamingo could’ve hurt him and trebol could’ve kept him down, he should not scale to law.
Yes he should scale, rubble falling and hurting him is an outlier, just like Whitebeard getting shot and killed by bullets, it’s inconsistent. Trebol hurt him with multiple explosions in the picture, you’re just assuming your own narrative without properly looking at the boom sound effects, and realizing that it was trebol hurting him, nothing represents usopp and his attacks there, and he also felt the need to restrain usopp for sugar to put the “poison” in his mouth. He took multiple of them as shown by the effects, therefore usopp should 100% scale. We don’t need evidence, the panel shows it all. You should also realize that this is the only way usopp gets his 7-B dura, or else every other sort of scaling gets thrown, and there literally IS NO OTHER, but this showing his post timeskip durability, multiple shots/explosions on the panel show that.



Doflamingo stays 7-A+ if the scaling goes to shit btw.

 

[joshpiece]

Anyone who disagrees, provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE to the contrary....

We see multiple explosions that are all trebol’s. Literally no evidence points to a 1-shot only your head canon.

Why are we trying to scale trebol to Law? Law was literally damn near half dead…

Even more proof that the fight was not a 1-shot. The tontattas or wtv u call them literally reacted to usopp’s shurikan so it’s proof they could see the fight. And they still were cheering him on after some of the explosions. How in the world do you justify a 1-shot when you have people cheering for usopp in the mist of the fight. Or did they just watch him get 1-shot and still cheer for him? Lol wtf can we drop this 1-shot head canon argument …

 

[StrawHatArslan]

We see multiple explosions that are all trebol’s. Literally no evidence points to a 1-shot only your head canon.

Why are we trying to scale trebol to Law? Law was literally damn near half dead…

Even more proof that the fight was not a 1-shot. The tontattas or wtv u call them literally reacted to usopp’s shurikan so it’s proof they could see the fight. And they still were cheering him on after some of the explosions. How in the world do you justify a 1-shot when you have people cheering for usopp in the mist of the fight. Or did they just watch him get 1-shot and still cheer for him? Lol wtf can we drop this 1-shot head canon argument …

spittin'

 

[CinCameron20]

We see multiple explosions that are all trebol’s. Literally no evidence points to a 1-shot only your head canon.

Why are we trying to scale trebol to Law? Law was literally damn near half dead…

Even more proof that the fight was not a 1-shot. The tontattas or wtv u call them literally reacted to usopp’s shurikan so it’s proof they could see the fight. And they still were cheering him on after some of the explosions. How in the world do you justify a 1-shot when you have people cheering for usopp in the mist of the fight. Or did they just watch him get 1-shot and still cheer for him? Lol wtf can we drop this 1-shot head canon argument …

1) Claims I'm making head-canon, and then proceeds to make their own. Did you already forget that Usopp also uses explosions?

2) As someone in these threads once tried to use before: "being injured doesn't lower durability ". I adore how contradictive everyone is when it suits them these days, lol.

3) We see one panel of explosions going off. Very next page shows Usopp incapacitated. Tf you mean.

"And they still were cheering him on after some of the explosions" - You're using THIS as justification for Usopp somehow putting up a fight despite the fact that the Tontattas are crying, frowning, and overall look distraught. The Tontattas chanting as a reason for Usopp having some GRAND battle is LAUGHABLE at best, and I can't fathom how you can think this when the VERY NEXT PAGE CONTRADICTS THIS. The tontattas have already been established to be a simple and easy to fool community. They believe everything they hear.

You keep bringing up the "Tontattas chanting", yet you forget they were still shouting his name in the panel proceeding the one where he was already KO'd. They literally cried his name twice despite the fact he was already defeated, so stop using it as an excuse, lmfao.

You want to scale Usopp to Trebol, but for the 4th time now: Usopp did 0 damage to Trebol. Trebol defeated Usopp and both he and Sugar treat it like a farce. Not to mention you can't even prove it took more than one hit to take Usopp down anyways. Like I said, show proof.

spittin'

He's not, though. Repeating debunked arguments until people say "ok".

 

[StrawHatArslan]

1) Claims I'm making head-canon, and then proceeds to make their own.

2) As someone in these threads once tried to use before: "being injured doesn't lower durability ". I adore how contradictive everyone is when it suits them these days, lol.

3) We see one panel of explosions going off. Very next page shows Usopp incapacitated. Tf you mean.

"And they still were cheering him on after some of the explosions" - You're using THIS as justification for Usopp somehow putting up a fight despite the fact that the Tontattas are crying, frowning, and overall look distraught. The Tontattas chanting as a reason for Usopp having some GRAND battle is LAUGHABLE at best, and I can't fathom how you can think this when the VERY NEXT PAGE CONTRADICTS THIS. The tontattas have already been established to be a simple and easy to fool community. They believe everything they hear.

You keep bringing up the "Tontattas chanting", yet you forget they were still shouting his name in the panel proceeding the one where he was already KO'd. They literally cried his name twice despite the fact he was already defeated, so stop using it as an excuse, lmfao.

You want to scale Usopp to Trebol, but for the 4th time now: Usopp did 0 damage to Trebol. Trebol defeated Usopp and both he and Sugar treat it like a farce. Not to mention you can't even prove it took more than one hit to take Usopp down anyways. Like I said, show proof.


He's not, though. Repeating debunked arguments until people say "ok".

I love how you fail to realize we’re referring to durability and not attack potency. We’re also talking about the boom sound effects as to where he was getting beaten up by Trebol. Multiple explosions happened, and then usopp is incapped, multiple show it took a lot to put him down and he felt the need to restrain him. We’re not talking about AP, we’re simply talking about the explosions and how much was needed to take out usopp for the count. What are you debunking here, what have you debunked? Nobody said he scaled in AP, we’re all referring to durability for taking multiple explosions and felt the need to be restrained for sugar to put the “poison” in. You really haven’t debunked shit.

 

[joshpiece]

1) Claims I'm making head-canon, and then proceeds to make their own. Did you already forget that Usopp also uses explosions?

Colored manga shows it’s not usopp’s explosions… so try again

We see one panel of explosions going off. Very next page shows Usopp incapacitated. Tf you mean.

2 panels… or can you just not see the explosion in the top right panel…. Indicating even more time is passing lowering the chance of a 1-shot.

You're using THIS as justification for Usopp somehow putting up a fight despite the fact that the Tontattas are crying, frowning, and overall look distraught. The Tontattas chanting as a reason for Usopp having some GRAND battle is LAUGHABLE at best, and I can't fathom how you can think this when the VERY NEXT PAGE CONTRADICTS THIS. The tontattas have already been established to be a simple and easy to fool community. They believe everything they hear.

who said usopp had to be putting up a fight? I’m just saying every evidence points to it being NOT a 1-shot… like you claim…

You want to scale Usopp to Trebol, but for the 4th time now: Usopp did 0 damage to Trebol. Trebol defeated Usopp and both he and Sugar treat it like a farce. Not to mention you can't even prove it took more than one hit to take Usopp down anyways. Like I said, show proof.

Who is arguing he scales to trebol ap wise? Nobody… NOT TO MENTION YOU CANT PROVE HE GOT 1-SHOT. Wtf is this argument The burden of PROOF IS ON YOU. All evidence leads to usopp taking multiple blows to get put down… multiple explosions in multiple panels yet I have to prove to you he didn’t get 1-shot…

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Colored manga shows it’s not usopp’s explosions… so try again


2 panels… or can you just not see the explosion in the top right panel…. Indicating even more time is passing lowering the chance of a 1-shot.

who said usopp had to be putting up a fight? I’m just saying every evidence points to it being NOT a 1-shot… like you claim…

Who is arguing he scales to trebol ap wise? Nobody… NOT TO MENTION YOU CANT PROVE HE GOT 1-SHOT. Wtf is this argument The burden of PROOF IS ON YOU. All evidence leads to usopp taking multiple blows to get put down… multiple explosions in multiple panels yet I have to prove to you he didn’t get 1-shot…

Spittin’

 

[Damage3245]

When Chew socked him.
When he fought Luffy and got punched in the face.
When he got his ass beat by Enel.
When he was getting manhandled by Franky.
When he was fighting Mr. 4 and his partner.
When he fought Perona. Again.
When he got bullied by a bear.
When Kuma reflected his own attack back at him.

None of these look deliberate to me; they all look like Usopp being blitzed or being hit by surprise or not having the ability to dodge at all.

What I mean by my question is that it does not seem to be in Usopp's character to deliberately avoid dodging an attack and choose to tank it regardless of whether or not he thought he was durable enough to do so. For a character like Luffy, it makes sense that sometimes he'd allow himself to get hit by attacks (because his immunity & ability to reflect attacks) and for characters like Kaido it makes sense that he'd allow himself to be hit by attacks (because his durability and death-sekeing personality) but for most characters in general I don't think them dodging is 100% proof that whatever they'd dodging should scaling to them. It's just common sense that you'd want to avoid being hit by an attack in general.

To me the argument that "Usopp got scared of Hody Jones and dodged him, so he scales" carries an unspoken argument of "If Usopp wasn't scared of Hody Jones then he would have just stood still and tanked his attacks" which doesn't make any sense to me personally for Usopp's character. He's not a Kaido or a Luffy.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Something about her holding the dragon not requiring her stats to scale or something

What? But Robin did more than just hold the Dragon, her attack on it inflicted actual damage and made it spit out blood. She should scale.

 

[XDragnoir]

Monster one if I'm remembering correctly

Well, i was reading their fight again and things go like this:

Luffy uses Red Hawk and deals a notable amount of damage -> Hody uses a big amount of steroids and becomes Monster Hody -> Elephant Gun deals more or less the same damage

So, what exactly are the numbers for G2 and G3 up to Dressrosa? Because IMO this is indicates a gap of 4x at least, unless i am missing something.

 

[XDragnoir]

And i want to add that both Vergo's "fractured sanji's fibula with a single kick" and Daifuku's "overpowered Sanji with ease" aren't the full context of their fights, one he had pre-fight damage and the other Daifuku used two named attacks against one simple counter from Sanji (we later see Sanji clashing equally with a giant genie anyway so it makes no sense to place Daifuku above Sanji), but idc if you guys want to keep them.

If you're talking about me I realised no one agreed when the admiral and Yonko scaling thread happened, so being injured lowering durability should totally be valid since it was used many times before.

If what you said is true we need to stop downscaling Sanji from Vergo right now.

 

[Eminiteable]

If what you said is true we need to stop downscaling Sanji from Vergo right now.

Think I forgot to reply to that message, yeah I agree with that for Sanji.

 

[XDragnoir]

Just hypothetically, what would things look like we scaled Usopp's durability to be "At least Town level" for being superior to his Pre-Timeskip self?

Just up to dressrosa, but if i got everything right G4 would be 25.2Mts at this point (city level), slightly below Zoro's highest AP feat with a calc (cutting Kaidou's horn) which resulted in 44.6Mts

In the alternative universe where Yonkous aren't 6B, we probably used 7C Usopp for Hody's multipliers

 

[StrawHatArslan]

None of these look deliberate to me; they all look like Usopp being blitzed or being hit by surprise or not having the ability to dodge at all.

What I mean by my question is that it does not seem to be in Usopp's character to deliberately avoid dodging an attack and choose to tank it regardless of whether or not he thought he was durable enough to do so. For a character like Luffy, it makes sense that sometimes he'd allow himself to get hit by attacks (because his immunity & ability to reflect attacks) and for characters like Kaido it makes sense that he'd allow himself to be hit by attacks (because his durability and death-sekeing personality) but for most characters in general I don't think them dodging is 100% proof that whatever they'd dodging should scaling to them. It's just common sense that you'd want to avoid being hit by an attack in general.

To me the argument that "Usopp got scared of Hody Jones and dodged him, so he scales" carries an unspoken argument of "If Usopp wasn't scared of Hody Jones then he would have just stood still and tanked his attacks" which doesn't make any sense to me personally for Usopp's character. He's not a Kaido or a Luffy.

I mean logically speaking from a narrative and usopp straight up said post timeskip he wouldn’t be scared anymore, yet hody straight up made him scared regardless. Narratively due to how usopp is literally gaging hody’s power as a whole, that would just put hody above him as a whole. Plot wise it would not make sense for him to not be able to get hurt by hody. It really would mess up the narrative if that was the case.

 

[KingTempest]

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So now yall are agreeing with Cin with his point about "being injured doesn't lower durability" but not when Usopp's Buffalo and Caesar scaling was a thing?
Yall lost me

 

[StrawHatArslan]

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So now yall are agreeing with Cin with his point about "being injured doesn't lower durability" but not when Usopp's Buffalo and Caesar scaling was a thing?
Yall lost me

Lmao

 

[KingTempest]

So here's what we're gonna do.

Either we listen to everything Cin says like you guys are and scale people to injured people since being injured doesn't lower durability, which means we scale Trebol to Law and Usopp to Buffalo and/or Caesar.
Or we disregard what he said and scale to Trebol, not scale Trebol to Law since he was injured, scale because he took more than 1 attack, and we go on with it.

Yall choice

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I choose violence

 

[KingTempest]

Now, outside of Usopp, Hody, Katakuri, how are the JUSTIFICATIONS in the sandbox?

 

[Eminiteable]

Now, outside of Usopp, Hody, Katakuri, how are the JUSTIFICATIONS in the sandbox?

I think the suggestions revolving Sanji's scaling to Vergo and Daifuku could be applied.

 

[KingTempest]

I think the suggestions revolving Sanji's scaling to Vergo and Daifuku could be applied.

Vergo I'll deal with, but regarding the genie, didn't we discuss in the High 7-A upscale thread that there's no proof that named attacks > regular ones?

 

[Eminiteable]

didn't we discuss in the High 7-A upscale thread that there's no proof that named attacks > regular ones?

That's true I guess, although I'd say unless proven otherwise and I guess this isn't one of them cases.

 

[KingTempest]

That's true I guess, although I'd say unless proven otherwise and I guess this isn't one of them cases.

Alright.

Daifuku also restrained Sanji casually, does that amount to anything?

 

[Eminiteable]

Alright.

Daifuku also restrained Sanji casually, does that amount to anything?

Superior lifting strength.

 

[joshpiece]

Yall choice

Seems like we caught them in a pickle

 

[Damage3245]

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So now yall are agreeing with Cin with his point about "being injured doesn't lower durability" but not when Usopp's Buffalo and Caesar scaling was a thing?
Yall lost me

Liking a person's comment doesn't mean you agree 100% with everything they say.

I thought that was generally known.

 

[Damage3245]

There's a bit of circular scaling between Sanji and Vergo at the moment. Vergo's AP scaling to Sanji's durability, and Sanji's durability scaling to Vergo.

 

[KingTempest]

Liking a person's comment doesn't mean you agree 100% with everything they say.

I thought that was generally known.

Usually when I've seen you partially agree you say what you don't agree on, but I digress

There's a bit of circular scaling between Sanji and Vergo at the moment. Vergo's AP scaling to Sanji's durability, and Sanji's durability scaling to Vergo.

Revising, Vergo's AP scales now to Sanji's AP, Sanji's AP will scale off of Newton's law

 

[Damage3245]

Okay. Just want to check, are we sure Sanji didn't improve at all over the course of the post-timeskip? Sanji went from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa to Zou to Whole Cake Island with the same stats? I know that technically speaking that amount of arcs doesn't cover a huge amount of time in-universe but we also accept that the Straw Hats can improve quite quickly in a short span of time so I'm just a bit neutral regarding the backscaling of ending up with the result of Vergo > Charlotte Oven.

 

[KingTempest]

Sanji hasn't shown a single thing to portray that he had a noticeable growth in his AP like everyone else with split keys have

 

[XDragnoir]

Vergo I'll deal with, but regarding the genie, didn't we discuss in the High 7-A upscale thread that there's no proof that named attacks > regular ones?

That wasn't my point, far from it actually, 864 they clashed equally during Daifuku's first attack and then Daifuku used another attack before Sanji could make another block, 3 pages after that we see then clashing again, 899 we also see Sanji blocking a giant version of genie.

Sanji hasn't shown a single thing to portray that he had a noticeable growth in his AP like everyone else with split keys have

That also reminds me, what is the exact number for Hody's 7B key? I want to check the multipliers, because as i said before, Elephant Gun has a 4x gap from G2 at least, and WCI Sanji has scaling to be at least = G3 without DJ, while his previous feats would put him just above G2 (2x actually, since Wadatsumi used an Energy Steroid) with DJ, so that's some clear evolution.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Overall, what do you guys think should be done with where hody scales?

Also, I agree with tempest about sanji.

 

[KingTempest]

That wasn't my point, far from it actually, 864 they clashed equally during Daifuku's first attack and then Daifuku used another attack before Sanji could make another block, 3 pages after that we see then clashing again, 899 we also see Sanji blocking a giant version of genie.

Ohh, my apologies. Would them being relative work then instead of any superiority?

That also reminds me, what is the exact number for Hody's 7B key?

31.0697895 Megatons

I want to check the multipliers, because as i said before, Elephant Gun has a 4x gap from G2 at least, and WCI Sanji has scaling to be at least = G3 without DJ, while his previous feats would put him just above G2 (2x actually, since Wadatsumi used an Energy Steroid) with DJ, so that's some clear evolution.

I wouldn't say = or ~ G3.

And I forgot completely about the Wadatsumi energy steroid portion. Good point

 

[CinCameron20]

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So now yall are agreeing with Cin with his point about "being injured doesn't lower durability" but not when Usopp's Buffalo and Caesar scaling was a thing?
Yall lost me

This is what I mean by the double standards going on. When I disagree with something, someone brings up a point, fair. When I'm arguing based on that point, they're like "wtf you mean? That was never a discussion "

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

https://media.**********.net/attachments/850792944344236062/861648712630665237/Screen_Shot_2021-07-05_at_12.43.46_PM.png
So now yall are agreeing with Cin with his point about "being injured doesn't lower durability" but not when Usopp's Buffalo and Caesar scaling was a thing?
Yall lost me

Wtf is this?! That point wasn't even what I agreed with about Cin's comment.

 

[KingTempest]

Wtf is this?! That point wasn't even what I agreed with about Cin's comment.

Not you

 

[StrawHatArslan]

So what would you guys prefer then? Scaling Usopp to Buffalo via AP and dura to Caesar, or just dura to trebol? Also what are your thoughts on where hody should scale? I think him narratively scaling above usopp makes complete and utter sense.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Also, I wanted to mention, if taking cin’s argument into accountability, would crocodile be “likely High 7-A”

 

[Eminiteable]

Or we disregard what he said and scale to Trebol, not scale Trebol to Law since he was injured, scale because he took more than 1 attack, and we go on with it.

Yall choice

I choose this one

 

[XDragnoir]

I wouldn't say = or ~ G3.

Katakuri is ~ G3 without Haki, Oven's dura is > Kata, Sanji is > Oven's dura

Sanji > Oven > Kata = G3 Luffy

Even if we put Sanji as = Oven it's still above Katakuri

Ohh, my apologies. Would them being relative work then instead of any superiority?

Yeah, they seem equals more times than not.

31.0697895 Megatons

What feat got this result? Anyway:

Now i know overdosed Hody is 994.233264Mts while G2 gets up scaling and goes to H7A (1Gt) and iirc G3 is currently 1Gt as well, but reading 645 we see:

Hody was left with white eyes after taking Red Hawk -> Hody used a massive amount of steroids -> white eyes again/final KO from Elephant Gun (btw, Elephant Gatling was targeted at Noah, Hody was already defeated)

We have no idea how many steroids Hody actually used, but since we see several falling from his hand i would say at least 2 is fine (so a 4x), meaning Monster Hody would be at least 3976.933056Mts (or 3.9Gts) and thus G3 is H7A+ up to Dressrosa (or pre-round 2, whatever), i think we shouldn't use any upscaling for G3 here because Hody had already suffered a massive amount of damage and even internal damage from RH so the one shot isn't 100% due to a strength gap.

There is more i want to add here obviously, but first i want to know if no one has a problem with the way i am scaling things here (or if i got some number wrong at some point).