I thought G3 was baseline H7A+ (2,65GT if got the right numbers), but even then Luffy's first key clearly says that Boundman is 4x G2 outside of it's strongest attacks, why it changed to "far stronger than G3" instead of using the multiplier? And why the gap is big enough to upscale to 6C?
I’m pretty sure we already do because after round 2 gear 2nd would be Atleast high 7-A and x 4 would make gear 4th at least high 7-A+, but logically speaking we know the gear 4th Boundman that fought kaido (which is the one we’re using) > gear 4th Boundman round 2 > gear 3rd round 2(4 gigatons) logically speaking upscaling to 6-C would make complete sense since it’s way stronger than gear third, and there’s only a .3 gigaton gap between gear third and 6-C. It’s changed to far stronger due to upscaling. If baseline 6-C was like say 6 gigatons (an example) then gear 4th Boundman that fought kaido would just be “at least high 7-A+“ but its only .3 Gigatons off. That’s why after using the multiplier we upscale because we know gear 4th Boundman that fought kaido is above round 2 Boundman and round 2 gear third which is 4 gigatons. Upscaling here definitely makes sense. Also not to mention the gear 2nd from round 2 would also be unquantifiably above 1 gigaton because we know luffy got stronger, which means upscaling onto x4 multiplier would make even more sense.
No, the key is for Round 2 Luffy, this is a up to WCI revision so anything that happened in Wano shouldn't be here, and even then why would the Boundman that fought Kaido be stronger? Luffy didn't get any upgrade iirc.
This is much better.
I think likely 6-C is still a lowball, we clearly know it’s way stronger from how emin mentioned, 6-C should be perfectly fine to list, instead of just a likely. Also what did you mean with .075 increase to gear 4ths multiplier? We know luffy got stronger from round 1 to round 2, which is why gear third matched katakuris awakening. That’s literally how upscaling works, and the minimum requiring for upscaling is x 1.1, which this literally falls under because 4.3 < 4.4 lmao.
Basically dragnoir said that we should use the multiplier on gear 2nd for round 2, which I think is pointless because either way we know luffy got stronger through round 2
Yeah agreed.
G2 round 1 is 1 GT, round 2 is unquantifiably higher. This really doesn’t prove anything because gear 4th would upscale regardless, since luffy got stronger.
We don't know how strong Gear Second during round 2 since he didn't use it so we can't say he's baseline H7A. But we do know he got stronger so very likely his gear second is stronger as well.
Monster one if I'm remembering correctly
Makes a better case for usopp not scaling to trebol, nice case. Then it’s perfectly fine for him to scale to city level off of Caesar. Anyways, do you see anything else wrong? Or is it fine to you (still think usopp should scale to trebol though)
I think Robin isn't keeping her High 7-A based off past messages.
Sabo AP (which his Dura can scale to since obviously he has purely physical feats) > Diamante's tool Durability ~ Kyros AP.
I don't see why this would be the case unless the dragon is being downgraded hard. Robin still has feats against Diamante as well.
Something about her holding the dragon not requiring her stats to scale or something
Oh crap, I forgot it was scaling above usopp lmao
Well wait, wasn’t sticky launcher off screen? Plus we have to take into account that law was already messed up by Doflamingo so even if he did that, wouldn’t that not give Trebol a valid way to scale?
Just hypothetically, what would things look like we scaled Usopp's durability to be "At least Town level" for being superior to his Pre-Timeskip self?
Values would arguably be lower than where we currently have the profiles even, which I don't think anyone would agree with, since majority of us believe usopp should scale to trebol
I think this makes sense.
Bro, I don't understand what's the need to calc those explosions WHEN TREBOL ALREADY HAS SCALING? I don't get why we would need to calc those, just for us to get TIER 8 RESULTS. This is what I mean damage when I say it's lowball from your part. We don't need to calc literal tier 8 explosions, when trebol's ap is far above that and he scales to 7-B ALREADY.
Wouldn't know, but based on the size they wouldn't give anything reliable.
That's literally how attack potency works, it's his attacks coming from him. No, that's not the alternative, why are you suggesting that those explosions are somehow weaker than trebol's attacks? It's literally part of his attack potency value which is 7-B. Usopp has tanked them and endured multiple of them, therefore should scale to it. How is the scaling loose and unreliable? It's far more reliable than what we currently have.
It doesn’t seem like usopp just gets scared of any opponent casually, and that he was scared off the strength and power hody showed as a whole. He trained for two years as well, which also shows that he should know what he should be capable of, why else did he just blatantly go back to stand up to Trebol. He’s able to do that to Trebol, but not hody. Him then taking multiple explosions, shows that multiple were needed to take him out, and he took multiple of them before he was glued shut by Trebol. Also Trebols explosions don’t have to be = to hody, they can just be relative but we know they both have a valid case of scaling to 7-B, saying they’re equal doesn’t mean anything, like I said they can be relative as well.
We can use this logic for 99% of the wiki and shut down everyone who doesn't have a way to sense power to say "he's stronger than him".
When Chew socked him.
Agreed.
