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Abstract Existence Type 1 for Infinite Zamasu (STAFF ONLY)

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We finally have Qliphoth_Bacikal's translations for art book statement instead of just some machine translations
The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but their thought flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.
Then we need to allow all statements from DB sources such as databooks, etc. because the standard is no longer being impartially upheld.
For anybody in confusion, a DVD databook is not the source we are using. At all. You can only use it to say it is supporting what's written on Toei's website, and that's it.

The main basis of this thread's existence is the stuff written on Toei's website, which is essentially equal to WoG. If the evidence came from only a DVD databook, this would have been rejected already.
 
My position here is this, I don't think taking over something not abstract with your mind should be proof of abstract existence. Unless Zamasu showed the ability to exist purely as his mind without inhabiting an object he should not have AE type 1
 
For anybody in confusion, a DVD databook is not the source we are using. At all. You can only use it to say it is supporting what's written on Toei's website, and that's it.

The main basis of this thread's existence is the stuff written on Toei's website, which is essentially equal to WoG. If the evidence came from only a DVD databook, this would have been rejected already.
Okay. Never mind then.
 
My position here is this, I don't think taking over something not abstract with your mind should be proof of abstract existence. Unless Zamasu showed the ability to exist purely as his mind without inhabiting an object he should not have AE type 1
That is a good point.
 
My position here is this, I don't think taking over something not abstract with your mind should be proof of abstract existence. Unless Zamasu showed the ability to exist purely as his mind without inhabiting an object he should not have AE type 1
That is a good point.
Well he already exist as a Will before taking over Earth and the Universe, it is clearly showed in the Anime, right after Trunks cut the guy in half, a silence moment for a while and after that is the red-black color thing. He just taking the Earth and then the Universe so he can have a physical vessel to interacting with others and well, spread his justice


We could see the process of him being a Will before taking over stuff
 
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Please explain.
There have been plenty of stated facts or “information” if you will in actual published DB literary works. Granted they all have Akira Toriyama on the title but the information was compiled by the staff at Shueisha, another publishing company, but the information in them isn’t always accurate. Not to say it’s all inaccurate because going to that logic would be an intentional gross misrepresentation of what I just said, but it’s not to be taken at face value.

People at this very moment are still debating over statements from a book produced in 1996, one of which finally just got accepted after proof from the primary source (manga).

We could see the process of him being a Will before taking over stuff

Are you saying his will is that red light?
 
I am not sure. I am personally uncertain about the abstract existence issue.
I understand what you feel, because Anime don't state about the thing, it come from Toei Timeline, and have another source back-up but come from Artbook in BD Disk Box, 2 sources that most people will miss, and well AE is a huge thing for DB. But the evidences, while don't have much, pretty solid and no anti-statement from the anime itself. But i think it is time we wrap this up, unless there is new argument against AE for Infinite Zamasu
 
100% agree with Viet here, there’s no strong counter arguments that go against the Toei Website besides our “understanding” of how the DB universe works which compared to Toei it isn’t much of a good argument. I say we get this added, link the proper sources with its justification and if we need to put a note, specifically state why Zamasu got it because of the official statement and the back up support along with the lack of anti feats on his page so that way that can cover anyone else trying to use Zamasu as an example for why XYZ should also have AE. Remember this is only for type 1.
He also should get his supernatural willpower, not sure what the verdict was on Acausality type 1 for him and the gods. Also there’s a regeneration thread for Zamasu that needs a looking at too
 
What staff agreed anyway?
Well currently, none
You, AKM and Ant seem to be neutral (You leaning to disagree but switch to neutral after discord talk...)
DDM disagree but his reason is because conceptual which not the point of the thread as the reasoning for IZ have AE is Will and Thought, not Conceptual. So i am waiting for him to re-comment if he have anything new regarding the Will and Thought. But look like he doesn't come back.
Andy and Qawsedf234 disagree
 
Then why would you think this is fine to apply?
To the staff who disagree, i already counter their point, and they are not even counter back. Don't tell me that staff just need to show-up and said disagree based on their personal opinion then CRT can't be apply, if that is, then to be honest, CRT don't need to exist because no matter how good the CRT and the argument is, you guys just need to said yes or no, then why need CRT anymore cause you guys hold full power over it???
 
A staff still has to agree though, else CRTs devolve into a mess of popularity contests where any verse with enough supporters can get things passed.

And there is such a thing as your counters not being enough or just being plainly incorrect to what staff have viewed said thread. Ever thought of that? Anyway, just wait until they comment on this again or another staff reviews this.
 
A staff still has to agree though, else CRTs devolve into a mess of popularity contests where any verse with enough supporters can get things passed.

And there is such a thing as your counters not being enough or just being plainly incorrect to what staff have viewed said thread. Ever thought of that? Anyway, just wait until they comment on this again or another staff reviews this.
Not good enough or not they still need to counter, just because they silence doesn't automatically mean my point is bad. I understand the first point, but at the same time staff can abuse their power to stop thing they don't want, and staff at the same time also can have a popularity contests between each other or between them and regular member, and because staff hold authority, they always come out victorious.

Edit: Well look like i'm being emotional and the thing got derail, should focus on this CRT instead
 
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Well, in a sense it is the only visual indicated of IZ
If you are saying his will is that red light (which what else could his will be since that was the only thing the viewer could visually see come from where his body used to be), then that simply looks like his energy. It's the same exact material as the ki blasts he was shooting out of his sky face. It was after all, this same red energy that beamed toward the sky and crashed into it, spreading Zamasu's essence across the planet right?
 
If you are saying his will is that red light (which what else could his will be since that was the only thing the viewer could visually see come from where his body used to be), then that simply looks like his energy. It's the same exact material as the ki blasts he was shooting out of his sky face. It was after all, this same red energy that beamed toward the sky and crashed into it, spreading Zamasu's essence across the planet right?
Like i said, that is the only visual indicator of him, and if you want to argue something, be fast, goes around the bush, asking and guessing doesn't solve the problem
 
Just a note that our staff are generally specifically selected due to being our most rational, reliable, and reasonable members.
 
Like i said, that is the only visual indicator of him, and if you want to argue something, be fast, goes around the bush, asking and guessing doesn't solve the problem
If that’s the only visual indicator of him then it’s safe to say it is him. It’s not like other fictions where you can’t actually see what happens but the character in question appears as if the sky is talking.
 
Since supernatural willpower seems to have been accepted, is somebody willing to apply it to the Zamasu page?
 
Since supernatural willpower seems to have been accepted, is somebody willing to apply it to the Zamasu page?
While i'm willing to apply, there is still AE to discuss
If that’s the only visual indicator of him then it’s safe to say it is him. It’s not like other fictions where you can’t actually see what happens but the character in question appears as if the sky is talking.
Well, what is your argument??
 
There isn't enough staff approval for AE. It seems best to leave it be, apply what has been accepted, and close this thread.
 
Are we really trying to reject AE based on an artistic choice of the authors because "it seems energy"? Ignoring that authors themselves stated that the same red thing was Zamasu's will basically twice? I have no faith in this wiki anymore. Headcanon > statements. Message received cut and clear

I'm fed up of you guys. Sorry but when it's too much, it's too much.
 
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The whole point of this thread here is the AE, this only be brought up again in the future. Staff need to give yes and nos on this addition, there are too many neutrals when the options are clear

Staff agrees with the addition of AE for the statements provided by Toei and lack of Anti Feats to go against it.
Or
Staff disagrees with the addition due to an actual legitimate counter argument that hasn’t been brought up since all previous counter arguments are irrelevant to the actual main topic (like whether mind or will is conceptual) or have already been addressed.

It’s quite simple.
 
The whole point of this thread here is the AE, this only be brought up again in the future. Staff need to give yes and nos on this addition, there are too many neutrals when the options are clear

Staff agrees with the addition of AE for the statements provided by Toei and lack of Anti Feats to go against it.
Or
Staff disagrees with the addition due to an actual legitimate counter argument that hasn’t been brought up since all previous counter arguments are irrelevant to the actual main topic (like whether mind or will is conceptual) or have already been addressed.

It’s quite simple.
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Are we really trying to reject AE based on an artistic choice of the authors because "it seems energy"? Ignoring that authors themselves stated that the same red thing was Zamasu's will basically twice? I have no faith in this wiki anymore. Headcanon > statements. Message received cut and clear

I'm fed up of you guys. Sorry but when it's too much, it's too much.
Please do not overreact. This is not a major issue, and I am not even against this addition. The problem is just that we have not received enough staff input to accept it.

Also, we just accepted far more drastic powers upgrades to Dragon Ball Heroes a little while back. Everybody need to calm down and be able to handle that not all suggested revisions are going to be accepted.
 
I think a possibly AE could work for Zamasu. Not 100% on how “will itself” being Abstract works since I’ve never dealt with anything like that in any other series.

Wouldn’t the absorption be just Fusionism? If he’s just merging with space and time that sounds more like Fusionism than absorption to me.

also where does Acausality negation come from in that scan?
 
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