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Small Abilities revision for Rubber Monkey

Leotamer said:
As I said, humans do exactly what Luffy is doing. We release adrenaline which increases our blood pressure to give us more energy. The exact same thing that Luffy is doing. And yes, I disagree with giving someone with super-breath air-manipulation, but I don't think that is mechanically dissimilar to what Luffy is doing.
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Ok.
Do regular humans amp their blood pressure on their own accord whenever they want to?

Can you stand up and think "let me amp my blood pressure" and it gets amped?
 
Does an ability being passive negate the fact that is an ability? And with equipment, you can do that and it is something that people have done, even though it is against the rules of many competitions. It is called doping.

Though allow me to approach this from another tact. What benefit does listing blood manipulation provide? I can list reasons why it would be unhelpful: It makes the page longer and harder to read without adding additional clarity or context to the page, and it might mislead people unfamiliar with One Piece or unfamiliar with the later half of One Piece into believing that Luffy might have some power that he does not.
 
Leotamer said:
Though allow me to approach this from another tact. What benefit does listing blood manipulation provide? I can list reasons why it would be unhelpful: It makes the page longer and harder to read without adding additional clarity or context to the page, and it might mislead people unfamiliar with One Piece or unfamiliar with the later half of One Piece into believing that Luffy might have some power that he does not.
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How?
KingTempest said:
Blood Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and Body Control with Gear 2nd (Can manipulate blood in his body to gain speed and strength)
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Leotamer said:
Does an ability being passive negate the fact that is an ability? And with equipment, you can do that and it is something that people have done, even though it is against the rules of many competitions. It is called doping.
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Luffy is using body control to manipulate blood which is blood manipulation. That's it. (advanced body control is manipulating blood to body control)
 
Leotamer said:
Does an ability being passive negate the fact that is an ability? And with equipment, you can do that and it is something that people have done, even though it is against the rules of many competitions. It is called doping.
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Go add it to every profile on the wiki
Leotamer said:
Though allow me to approach this from another tact. What benefit does listing blood manipulation provide?
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We don’t work off of benefits, we work off of what they can do
Leotamer said:
I can list reasons why it would be unhelpful: It makes the page longer and harder to read without adding additional clarity or context to the page,
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You haven’t seen half the pages on the wiki
Leotamer said:
and it might mislead people unfamiliar with One Piece or unfamiliar with the later half of One Piece into believing that Luffy might have some power that he does not.
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Which is why we clarify abilities
 
My entire point is that we don't add blood manipulation to every page, and I don't see why this page would be any expectation. When my argument is that this is comparable to something absurd, you can't just say it is absurd, you have to say why I am wrong in making the comparison.
 
Leotamer said:
My entire point is that we don't add blood manipulation to every page, and I don't see why this page would be any expectation. When my argument is that this is comparable to something absurd, you can't just say it is absurd, you have to say why I am wrong in making the comparison.
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Because nobody does what Luffy does to his extent.
 
Purgy said:
Or just Statistics Amplification and Advanced Body Control with Gear 2nd (Can manipulate blood in his body to gain speed and strength)

Again, Body Control itself covers Blood Manipulation, there's no reason to list it twice like that.
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I agree with this I don't think what Luffy's doing warrant blood manipulation (although I could be wrong), looking at the blood manipulation page it doesn't seem accurate to what Luffy's doing and more so covers Body Control.
Leotamer said:
Also, it could make a strong argument for blood manipulation resistance. Slow or stop it and he manually pumps it. Speed it up or pull it out, his body stretches to compensate. You need to either fully gain control, use it to stab him, or destroy/make it unviable to overcome this resistance.
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This makes sense to me.

Also tanking an explosion isn't justification for a resistance to such an ability. We literally see in Wano that Luffy's one-shot by Apoo's explosions showing he doesn't have any special resistance to them.
 
Leotamer said:
My entire point is that we don't add blood manipulation to every page, and I don't see why this page would be any expectation. When my argument is that this is comparable to something absurd, you can't just say it is absurd, you have to say why I am wrong in making the comparison.
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Just a question why does Iron Man have blood manipulation?
 
I’m gonna go remove blood manip from everyone who can solidify their blood because regular humans can do that via blood clots
 
KingTempest said:
Because nobody does what Luffy does to his extent.
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Since adrenaline is clearly not sufficient because it is something that is passive, even though I don't think that this standard is applied anywhere else on this forum that abilities don't count just because they are passive, you mentioned how you can't just stand up and will yourself to have increased blood pressure, which is true. However, neither can Luffy. He needs to pump his legs. Want to know how humans can increase their blood pressure to get that rush of energy? By pumping their legs. It is just slightly less literal in that case.

And being able to will your blood solid is very different than using a clearly defined physical mechanism to have a clearly defined physical effect where your blood is just a component. I think the more apt comparison would be someone with fire powers solidifying their blood using the heat. They shouldn't have blood manipulation.
 
Removing air manip from WhiteBeard because everybody breathes.

Removing air manip from all swordsman with compressed air slashes because everybody moves a little bit of air when they swing.

Removing water manip from everybody because I can sweat and throw it at someone.
 
Leotamer said:
Since adrenaline is clearly not sufficient because it is something that is passive, even though I don't think that this standard is applied anywhere else on this forum that abilities don't count just because they are passive, you mentioned how you can't just stand up and will yourself to have increased blood pressure, which is true. However, neither can Luffy. He needs to pump his legs. Want to know how humans can increase their blood pressure to get that rush of energy? By pumping their legs. It is just slightly less literal in that case.

And being able to will your blood solid is very different than using a clearly defined physical mechanism to have a clearly defined physical effect where your blood is just a component. I think the more apt comparison would be someone with fire powers solidifying their blood using the heat. They shouldn't have blood manipulation.
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Mori Jin has blood manipulation only because of this link link
 
While I believe that there might be an interesting discussion about air manipulation, I don't feel like it would be particularly productive based on how well this conversation is, especially when you are going to have such a blatant strawman like with the water manipulation example.

So to restate my objection: I don't think having a cardiovascular system is a superpower, no matter how hard you dope.

And as for Monkey's comment about Mori Jin, I especially don't think that stabbing people with needles that cause them to bleed is blood manipulation either. (Edit: My eyes glossed over the part about stopping blood flow altogether. That probably counts.)
 
Eminiteable said:
I agree with this I don't think what Luffy's doing warrant blood manipulation (although I could be wrong), looking at the blood manipulation page it doesn't seem accurate to what Luffy's doing and more so covers Body Control.
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I feel like this explains why luffy should have blood manipulation
MonkeyOfLife said:
This is manipulating blood to body control:
Advanced control - allows you to not only manage the vital functions of the body and increase its capabilities but also to do what is impossible for an ordinary person. For example, to fully control the hair (to lengthen them to increase strength, turned into a needle, etc.), manipulate the blood (and other body fluids), lengthening nails or bones (including changing the shape of the bones). At this level of ownership of the body can also, to some extent change its shape.

This is body control manipulating blood:
Use your legs as pump to accelerate blood circulation... Creating blood pressure that could tear your heart into pieces if it were a normal body.
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MonkeyOfLife said:
This is manipulating blood to body control:
Advanced control - allows you to not only manage the vital functions of the body and increase its capabilities but also to do what is impossible for an ordinary person. For example, to fully control the hair (to lengthen them to increase strength, turned into a needle, etc.), manipulate the blood (and other body fluids), lengthening nails or bones (including changing the shape of the bones). At this level of ownership of the body can also, to some extent change its shape.

This is body control manipulating blood:
Use your legs as pump to accelerate blood circulation.
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I Agree for blood manipulation Luffy Use His Rubber body to Manipulate His own Blood.
I neutral about Resistance to explosion Manipulation.
 
LordGin is correct, resistance to "Explosion manipulation" is one of the most unnecessary resistances out there. It's just a regular durability feat against both heat and blunt force trauma.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
LordGin is correct, resistance to "Explosion manipulation" is one of the most unnecessary resistances out there. It's just a regular durability feat against both heat and blunt force trauma.
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Yep. (But don't be confused that's it's the same as AP only because people scale with tnt (explosions))
 
Resistance to Explosion Manipulation is stupid. It's a durability feat, and Luffy already has resistance to most physical attacks due to his physiology.

Blood Manipulation is fine. He's literally manipulating his blood, it's the whole point of G2.
 
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Hmmm. I'm against the blood part. I don't think Luffy is literally manipulating his blood itself, so much as the blood is being affected because of how he's moving his body.

Like, if I cut the tip of my finger and squeezed my finger to halt the bloodflow and slow down the bleeding... I have "manipulated my blood" but that's not something worthy of blood manipulation.

I consider this the same case for Luffy. He is pumping his blood faster through his body, but he isn't manipulating the blood directly.
 
Damage3245 said:
Hmmm. I'm against the blood part. I don't think Luffy is literally manipulating his blood itself, so much as the blood is being affected because of how he's moving his body.

Like, if I cut the tip of my finger and squeezed my finger to halt the bloodflow and slow down the bleeding... I have "manipulated my blood" but that's not something worthy of blood manipulation.

I consider this the same case for Luffy. He is pumping his blood faster through his body, but he isn't manipulating the blood directly.
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I think I saw something in the databook wait... I'll see what it was about
 
I think damage makes a fair point.

maybe limited blood manipulation ( by compressing his rubber body he is able to pump his blood faster )

Although it would be kinda redundant to add that since it would just bloat his profile and it’s not really necessary for vs matches.
 
Damage3245 said:
Hmmm. I'm against the blood part. I don't think Luffy is literally manipulating his blood itself, so much as the blood is being affected because of how he's moving his body.

Like, if I cut the tip of my finger and squeezed my finger to halt the bloodflow and slow down the bleeding... I have "manipulated my blood" but that's not something worthy of blood manipulation.

I consider this the same case for Luffy. He is pumping his blood faster through his body, but he isn't manipulating the blood directly.
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Link and link can these get translated? I think when I tried to translate it said something about blood
 
This is the translation I got... Not sure it helps...

- The meat of the threat that made the most of the body of rubber strengthens the body! By accelerating the flow of blood, it demonstrates explosive power!
  • The more steam from the whole body, the more rapidly the blood pressure changes, so if you're not a human luffy, your heart will tear!
  • Power boost with blood flow changes!
  • Because uniformity is overuse beyond the limit, the exhaustion of physical strength is intense. After use, fatigue that can not move one finger .
  • Cuff got it. Further system electrolysis!
  • "Power and speed are off!: Even the "6-type" user can't see it off!
  • →'s fist seemed to have disappeared too fast,The next moment, countless fists are hitting the enemy! !
  • Gear 2 ]
    The rubber body is used instead of a pump to increase blood flow velocity and
 
No of course not but we shouldn’t bloat profiles with unnecessary abilities if you get what I mean.

I’m fine with adding my suggestion or maybe a better suggestion with a more clear explanation. I just think it’s a tad unnecessary
 
To me, it's like giving someone Water Manipulation for spitting. It's unnecessary.
 
joshpiece said:
No of course not but we shouldn’t bloat profiles with unnecessary abilities if you get what I mean.

I’m fine with adding my suggestion or maybe a better suggestion with a more clear explanation. I just think it’s a tad unnecessary
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Maybe a little unnecessary but... Statistics Amplification (Via Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd) this is quite misleading... There are alot on the one piece verse that doesn't explain abilities well...
KingTempest said:
Blood Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and Body Control with Gear 2nd (Can manipulate blood in his body to gain speed and strength)
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This 👆 is much better than Statistics Amplification (Via Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd)
 
I am making a big abilities thread😅 btw just in advance.... only covered armament haki 😅😫why did I do this to myself
 
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