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Umm Ned, I finally made a CRT happy? Let's talk SSJ Multipliers.

A sarcastic tone is usually a sign of anger.
That is incorrect. I do not know where you got that from. Sarcasm can derive from a myriad of emotions, among which include arrogance and cockiness, something that Gohan is noted to have plenty of as a Super Saiyan 2. He even points out that he got arrogant during the fight (see below).

Is there a better way you can prove he wasn't mad at Cell for killing his father?
Yea.

Android 16's death made Gohan snapped and triggered the transformation, but it is evident that he was not perpetually angry.
Hell, Gohan could power up at will towards the end of the Cell Games.
 
Fair but technically we don't know if he got anger in the chamber so I can't confirm so I won't headcanon, but I think he does.
 
I still don't see the point of you posting this? He literally conspires about revenge. I don't usually take revenge at all if not for rage. Matter of fact I never have.
  • "Heh."
  • "I'm glad I can avenge his death."
  • Smiles. Laughs.
If Gohan was so knee-deep in such blinding anger that he would have received a rage boost so significantly that he went from being bullied around by a suppressed Perfect Cell to casually one-shotting a full power Cell and then toying with a Power Weighted Cell, and then defeating Super Perfect Cell with less than half of his full power, why isn't he showing it? Usually, when Gohan experiences a surge in power through blistering rage, as is the case in the Saiyan and Namek Saga, he has a pretty open way of expressing said rage. This is not Gohan being angry, this is Gohan being remorseful and building up his resolve to avenge Goku.

The previous chapter is quite literally titled "Gohan's Pain".

And who said it can't be both?
Nothing ever implies that it is both. As stated earlier, Gohan is very expressive of his anger when he experiences a rage boost which in actuality is just Gohan tapping into his dormant power, but let's not discuss that. However, throughout the duration of his entire fight with Cell, with the exception of his initial transformation into a Super Saiyan 2 and the scene where he attempted to get angry in response to the Cell Jr.'s pummeling the Z-Fighters, Gohan showed not a single trace of anger. Before transforming, he did not even want to fight and after transforming, he became consumed in his power and became super arrogant and snarky with Cell, toying with him instead of killing him on the spot, something that he himself acknowledged.

You literally said anymore. Also, Goku can transform willingly. Everytime a full U 7 saiyan do it, it is outta anger.
That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any evidence to back that up? I could pull up every single time a full-blooded Saiyan transformed into a Super Saiyan in Z and run down why exactly it isn't through anger, with the exception of their initial power-ups, if that's what you wante.
 
  • "Heh."
  • "I'm glad I can avenge his death."
  • Smiles. Laughs.
If Gohan was so knee-deep in such blinding anger that he would have received a rage boost so significantly that he went from being bullied around by a suppressed Perfect Cell to casually one-shotting a full power Cell and then toying with a Power Weighted Cell, and then defeating Super Perfect Cell with less than half of his full power, why isn't he showing it? Usually, when Gohan experiences a surge in power through blistering rage, as is the case in the Saiyan and Namek Saga, he has a pretty open way of expressing said rage. This is not Gohan being angry, this is Gohan being remorseful and building up his resolve to avenge Goku.

The previous chapter is quite literally titled "Gohan's Pain".
In the narrator's words not mine Gohan controlled his explosive burst in power this time (Referring to Cell Saga)
 
Nothing ever implies that it is both. As stated earlier, Gohan is very expressive of his anger when he experiences a rage boost which in actuality is just Gohan tapping into his dormant power, but let's not discuss that. However, throughout the duration of his entire fight with Cell, with the exception of his initial transformation into a Super Saiyan 2 and the scene where he attempted to get angry in response to the Cell Jr.'s pummeling the Z-Fighters, Gohan showed not a single trace of anger. Before transforming, he did not even want to fight and after transforming, he became consumed in his power and became super arrogant and snarky with Cell, toying with him instead of killing him on the spot, something that he himself acknowledged.
We see him rage like his builds just got shot down in Fortnite after 16 dies. That's a sign of both to me.
 
That's a pretty bold claim. Do you have any evidence to back that up? I could pull up every single time a full-blooded Saiyan transformed into a Super Saiyan in Z and run down why exactly it isn't through anger, with the exception of their initial power-ups, if that's what you wante.
This is literally his initial power-up wtf?
 
pretty sure he transformed because he felt helpless in the face of one of goku's attacks. that might be anime-only, though.
1st, he is revisualizing his friends dying.
2nd, He talks in an angry tone and also screams in a anger-like scream
3rd, nothing is saying anger is the only key.
4th, Goku literally says to Gohan you gotta calm down... as if he was angry
 
If Gohan was so knee-deep in such blinding anger that he would have received a rage boost so significantly that he went from being bullied around by a suppressed Perfect Cell to casually one-shotting a full power Cell and then toying with a Power Weighted Cell, and then defeating Super Perfect Cell with less than half of his full power, why isn't he showing it? Usually, when Gohan experiences a surge in power through blistering rage, as is the case in the Saiyan and Namek Saga, he has a pretty open way of expressing said rage. This is not Gohan being angry, this is Gohan being remorseful and building up his resolve to avenge Goku.

The previous chapter is quite literally titled "Gohan's Pain".

Nothing ever implies that it is both. As stated earlier, Gohan is very expressive of his anger when he experiences a rage boost which in actuality is just Gohan tapping into his dormant power, but let's not discuss that. However, throughout the duration of his entire fight with Cell, with the exception of his initial transformation into a Super Saiyan 2 and the scene where he attempted to get angry in response to the Cell Jr.'s pummeling the Z-Fighters, Gohan showed not a single trace of anger. Before transforming, he did not even want to fight and after transforming, he became consumed in his power and became super arrogant and snarky with Cell, toying with him instead of killing him on the spot, something that he himself acknowledged.
Whether or not Gohan perpetually kept himself angry is irrelevant, all that we require to acknowledge is that it was used to get a permanent boost on base stats....
It makes sense to, in earlier sagas Gohan was like a flashbang....his aanger boosts were temporary, but in Cell Games he overcame that hurdle by being able to control it....that was the whole point of his character development.
The only problem was he became sadistic on top of that, which is a negative side efffect....it doesn't contradict that he was angry....
Basically his "hot and explosive" anger became ice cold and sharp scalpel....
 
Well, the first one was sort of accurate in the first instance, but then it just got all over the place from there. And also, Cell got a massive upgrade when he came back and it's when he got his 4-B statement. And we calculated his final attack to be a Kilofoe and thus 50x baseline. And it would be iffy to downscale his weaker form; there are some tight policies on upscaling vs downscaling. The SSJ2 multiplier would be more than 100x at this point in time as opposed to the commonly used 2x. And in Dragon Ball Super, that's when Saiyan transformations got real crazy; like going from 3-A to Low 2-C is like an infinite multiplier by our system which has happened when Broly goes from base to SSJ1. Or Kefla going from SSJ1 to SSJ2. And there are the SSG and SSB forms which only complicates things further.
 
First with the him getting stronger um the 10 people thing was kinda a joke and would take upwards of simply 100-hundred. So I think that simply balances out. Second you are crashing down a system from a whole diff show. Third I don't see the problem with the "infinite multiplier" because by that logic without it his anger spontaneously took him that far of a jump. It could simply be the fact he was that before and then he got a jump which is headcanony but makes more sense than his anger. Same argument goes with Kefla. Also they kinda turn into gods? Basically what I'm saying is the point with Broly and Kelfa going these big jumps makes even less sense than them turning into a hair color that give no boost and suddenly they get an infinite boost.
 
Well, the first one was sort of accurate in the first instance, but then it just got all over the place from there. And also, Cell got a massive upgrade when he came back and it's when he got his 4-B statement. And we calculated his final attack to be a Kilofoe and thus 50x baseline. And it would be iffy to downscale his weaker form; there are some tight policies on upscaling vs downscaling. The SSJ2 multiplier would be more than 100x at this point in time as opposed to the commonly used 2x. And in Dragon Ball Super, that's when Saiyan transformations got real crazy; like going from 3-A to Low 2-C is like an infinite multiplier by our system which has happened when Broly goes from base to SSJ1. Or Kefla going from SSJ1 to SSJ2. And there are the SSG and SSB forms which only complicates things further.
I do see your point this argument tho. If anything I don't really care about the SSG and SSB multipliers, I do think 1, 2, and 3 shouldn't be affected by that tho.
 
like going from 3-A to Low 2-C is like an infinite multiplier by our system which has happened when Broly goes from base to SSJ1. Or Kefla going from SSJ1 to SSJ2.
Broly didn’t get that boost from base to SSJ, he got that boost from his adaptation in Ikari, where he started at 3-A (overpowering SSG Vegeta) and eventually became Low 2-C (trading blows with SSB Goku), and then his SSJ was just stacked on top of Ikari. And Kefla’s SSJ forms aren’t the same as the normal ones, since they’re combined with Kale’s LSSJ. Also SSJ Kefla should be Low 2-C at her peak anyways

A better example would be Goku/Vegeta going from 3-A to Low 2-C by going from SSG to SSB, even though that’s just a Super Saiyan level increase.
 
Once again might be headcanony but it makes more sense that they 2-C in SSG then a fake multiplier taking them there.
 
TBH the only inconsistency to the first three Super Saiyan forms is Cell Saga SS2 (Because the Solar System thingie), it doesn't get contradicted outside of that
 
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