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Battle for the 4# Stongest 9-B

yeah new york city exist's but john doesn't exist in the real world new york city or neutral verse new york city when SBA says new york city there arent any real people their only new york city
Dont' understand what you tell but if you have a problem with the omniscient thing just do a thread
 
We know thing about the root, litteraly have her thread made not long time ago bruh what is the doesn't know anything about?
we know what abilities she has but we don't know the extent of her abilities and how potent those abilities are and we don't know what she does in character because void Shiki doesn't fight. Do you want me to ask the person that created her profile because she didn't have those abilities before
 
we know what abilities she has but we don't know the extent of her abilities and how potent those abilities are and we don't know what she does in character because void Shiki doesn't fight. Do you want me to ask the person that created her profile because she didn't have those abilities before
The extend of her ability? Don't understand she is the source of all of these power their litteraly come from her so scale to her.

Doesn't fighting doesn't meaning we don't know her in character we litteraly have her personnality + the little thing we can use about saber shiki too

Like i tell she git her crt up accepted not long time ago and i was litteraly the one who make it lol
 
The extend of her ability? Don't understand she is the source of all of these power their litteraly come from her so scale to her.

Doesn't fighting doesn't meaning we don't know her in character we litteraly have her personnality + the little thing we can use about saber shiki too

Like i tell she git her crt up accepted not long time ago and i was litteraly the one who make it lol
1. we dont know how powerful her abilities is because we cant scale her to anyone we know she's the strongest character in the nasuverse but just how much stronger and she doesn't fight anyone the rest of the profile for the nasuverse only go up to 2A so is she 2A or is she 6D (because fo avolon), she could be 8D because of the BB and the Moon Cell but guess what we don't know how strong she is that's why she's unknown

2. all i have heard about her personality is that she gets annoyed easily and she's willing to kill we don't know how she acts in a fight.
 
1. we dont know how powerful her abilities is because we cant scale her to anyone we know she's the strongest character in the nasuverse but just how much stronger and she doesn't fight anyone the rest of the profile for the nasuverse only go up to 2A so is she 2A or is she 6D (because fo avolon), she could be 8D because of the BB and the Moon Cell but guess what we don't know how strong she is that's why she's unknown

2. all i have heard about her personality is that she gets annoyed easily and she's willing to kill we don't know how she acts in a fight.
The tier of her power are not necessarily here so don't know why you talk about them for now she just have 2-A/potentially 5D hax for being Transcendant over her multiverse that have 4D space and because transduality.

And no from saber shiki who is a illusion of her we know that she use just what necessary for do what she need to do, so if here she need to kill she just use what is necessary
 
The tier of her power are not necessarily here so don't know why you talk about them for now she just have 2-A/potentially 5D hax for being Transcendant over her multiverse that have 4D space and because transduality.

And no from saber shiki who is a illusion of her we know that she use just what necessary for do what she need to do, so if here she need to kill she just use what is necessary
im just explaining that we dont know much about Void Shiki or her powers she is unknown so maybe we should ban her from fights.


also void shiki and saber shiki have different personalties even if both of them are the same character, saber Shiki is a servant that can be summoned for FGO while void shiki is the literal god of the nasuverse. I don't know much about the nasuverse so are they like parallel because Ryougi shiki isn't from Fate stay night she has her own series and her own motivations even if that series is connected to the nasuverse
 
Unknowns don't get auto banned from fights.
I know im just saying that it seems we don't know much about void Shiki plus she's unknown so she probably should get banned because of the rules.

I don't want any character to get banned from fights but other characters have gotten banned because there isn't enough information about them and Shiki shouldn't be an exception it would be unfair, either characters get banned from fight's or no one gets banned
 
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Shiki seems to be unable to be affected.
Im waiting for Elizhaa to respond since she's the one that brought up the idea of Higher Dimensional Characters and Abilities affecting Lower Dimensional Nonexistent Physiology Type 2.

Were also waiting for supernatural supporters and Schnee to show up because none of us are very knowledgeable on John.

I promised Regidian that I'd wait for him to wake up before continuing this thread.

so for now this is undecided and we should move on to a different thread.
 
Im waiting for Elizhaa to respond since she's the one that brought up the idea of Higher Dimensional Characters and Abilities affecting Lower Dimensional Nonexistent Physiology Type 2.

Were also waiting for supernatural supporters and Schnee to show up because none of us are very knowledgeable on John.

I promised Regidian that I'd wait for him to wake up before continuing this thread.

so for now this is undecided and we should move on to a different thread.
High D don't. They have 0 to do with each other.
 
The argument doesn't really change anything. It's already been addressed on a separate thread.
can you link the thread?

also, i heard the Nonexistent Physiology page is going to get reworked

I still voted for Shiki under the assumption that Higher Dimensional Charecters/Abilities cant affect NEP Type 2
 
So what we do
I voted for Shiki because right now I agree that Higher Dimensional Abilities cant affect NEP type 2.
anyways it doesn't seem like any other Supernatural supporter showed up so do you guys still wanna wait for them

Currently its night time in my area 5:00 am I assume everyone's asleep

There's also the question about omniscience although It doesn't change the winner.
 
I voted for Shiki because right now I agree that Higher Dimensional Abilities cant affect NEP type 2.
anyways it doesn't seem like any other Supernatural supporter showed up so do you guys still wanna wait for them

Currently its night time in my area 5:00 am I assume everyone's asleep

There's also the question about omniscience although It doesn't change the winner.
Supernaturel supporter doesn't seem to want come, so don't know, but from what i see from his previous match, i still think that shiki win (and well he never fight NEP 2 so lol don't help)
 
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From an ancient thread of a vs with john taylor it seem that he's start with opening his eyes so yeah shiki will have the advantage.

"This deoends on what Taylor starts with without precog.
Well, Reader's quite out of luck then, because precognition isn't something that's passive anyway, and John frequently starts with his eye. Which allows him to "study the reality" of whatever he's looking at while he's using it."
 
From what I know it should be higher-d concept manipulation and feats needed for interaction; these were conditions I think Kaltias accepted when he was a staff.

Though, the standards will probably be changed later.
 
From what I know it should be higher-d concept manipulation and feats needed for interaction; these were conditions I think Kaltias accepted when he was a staff.

Though, the standards will probably be changed later.
What about things like bfr or manipulating the actions of a nonexistent being like they themselves are nonexistent beyond a conceptual level but if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2. I got this idea from this thread (https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-nep-be-affected-by-fate.109828/) also higher dimensional void manipualtion
 
What about things like bfr or manipulating the actions of a nonexistent being like they themselves are nonexistent beyond a conceptual level but if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2. I got this idea from this thread (https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-nep-be-affected-by-fate.109828/) also higher dimensional void manipualtion
This thread was alredy answer for NEP type 2, it was mostly for one and even the OP was okay with it
 
From what I know it should be higher-d concept manipulation and feats needed for interaction; these were conditions I think Kaltias accepted when he was a staff.

Though, the standards will probably be changed later.
Well even that john don't have it so will not help him but ty
 
What about things like bfr or manipulating the actions of a nonexistent being like they themselves are nonexistent beyond a conceptual level but if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2. I got this idea from this thread (https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-nep-be-affected-by-fate.109828/)
What about things like bfr or manipulating the actions of a nonexistent being like they themselves are nonexistent beyond a conceptual level but if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2
  • I think it depends on the associate character's feats on a case by case basis.
if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2
  • It depends; there could be cases where those NEP Type 2 characters can't even affect anyone.
 
What about things like bfr or manipulating the actions of a nonexistent being like they themselves are nonexistent beyond a conceptual level but if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2
  • I think it depends on the associate character's feats on a case by case basis.
if they punched me would their damage be nonexistent as well would the action of their punch be nonexistent type 2
  • It depends; there could be cases where those NEP Type 2 characters can't even affect anyone.
alright and what about characters with layers of nonexistent type 2. Void Shiki is more nonexistent than kama who is already nonexistent type 2.
 
From what I know it should be higher-d concept manipulation and feats needed for interaction; these were conditions I think Kaltias accepted when he was a staff.

Though, the standards will probably be changed later.
This is only NEP type 1. Not the NEP Type 2 Shiki has
 
alright and what about characters with layers of nonexistent type 2. Void Shiki is more nonexistent than kama who is already nonexistent type 2.
Basically, from what I know, it's still the same standards. I guess better feats might be needed, though.
 
Conceptual Manipulation Type 2, from what I recall, only bypassed NEP Type 1. NEP type 2 needs actual feats of interaction given how it works, and the fact it has nothing to do with Higher-Dimensions
 
We already made a thread for that so better to wait the change that some staff have tell their will prepare, but even with what elizhaa see john don't have any conceptual manip in 9-B key.
 
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